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Finally switch to non B&O TV

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Raeven Posted: Sat, Mar 3 2018 7:16 AM

The quality and design of B&O has disappointed me so much in the recent years  that, after having ONLY B&O TV and audio systems I decided for a Samsung 75" Qled. Since I did not want to also lose my beloved B&O loudspeakers also bought the Almando Multiplay Surround decoder. The Samsung replaced the Beosystem 3. It is very strange after using the same BEO4 remote for more then 20 years I suddenly have use something else.

The Samsung is in many aspects a relieve:

- The Samsung no gap wall-mount, easy installation clear instructions and extremely easy to put the TV on/in the wall mounting

- Wiring, less wires, very thin wire between screen and box

- no more setup box(s) Sat receiver (HD sat integrated) or even Apple TV necessary

- Picture quality perfect

- Alamando: plug and play easy app to precisely  adjust speaker volume etc

- After connecting all wires everything just worked no need of B&O technician!

- Price app half of a B&O 65" Eclipse

 

 

 

 

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Fidse replied on Sat, Mar 3 2018 9:10 AM
Well IMO, and don’t take this the wrong way, But if you think picture quality is perfect on a Samsung QLED, the yeah go ahead and buy it, the premium of the B&O will be wasted...

But hold it up against an Eclipse or any other OLED screen, and the Samsung will look like crap. Samsungs marketing departement deserves a giant raise, tricking people into thinking that it is even remotely as good as an OLED.

Just my two cents...

Raeven:

The quality and design of B&O has disappointed me so much in the recent years that, after having ONLY B&O TV and audio systems I decided for a Samsung 75" Qled. Since I did not want to also lose my beloved B&O loudspeakers also bought the Almando Multiplay Surround decoder. The Samsung replaced the Beosystem 3. It is very strange after using the same BEO4 remote for more then 20 years I suddenly have use something else.

The Samsung is in many aspects a relieve:

- The Samsung no gap wall-mount, easy installation clear instructions and extremely easy to put the TV on/in the wall mounting

- Wiring, less wires, very thin wire between screen and box

- no more setup box(s) Sat receiver (HD sat integrated) or even Apple TV necessary

- Picture quality perfect

- Alamando: plug and play easy app to precisely adjust speaker volume etc

- After connecting all wires everything just worked no need of B&O technician!

- Price app half of a B&O 65" Eclipse

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I second this.

QLED is way less in quality then Oled.

Contrast of OLED way better.

Looking now at the Bild 5 with almando and beolab 18 speakers.

Seems a good combo to replace my bv7 40" tv

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elephant replied on Sat, Mar 3 2018 10:57 AM
If the OP is happier with a big screen rather than a smaller OLED (B&O or Loewe) it is his choice.

We should applaude him for integration of his BeoLabs !

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Ruud replied on Sat, Mar 3 2018 11:33 AM

But like MM says 'There is a TV - and there is a BV" Big Smile

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Fidse replied on Sat, Mar 3 2018 1:17 PM
Of course it is, i hope OP also knows that i think that.

But for your your comment i would like to answer, that OLED isn’t more expensive than QLED. And it does’nt have to be a Loewe OR a B&O, to be an OLED ;)

elephant:

If the OP is happier with a big screen rather than a smaller OLED (B&O or Loewe) it is his choice.

We should applaude him for integration of his BeoLabs ! BeoNut since '75

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Fidse:
OLED isn’t more expensive than QLED. And it doesn't have to be a Loewe OR a B&O, to be an OLED

At that size (and at this time) it is: An LG OLED 77" (77G7P) is about USD10000.  A Samsung 75" QLED (QN75Q9F) is about USD7000.  And last year's model (QN75Q7F) is about USD3300!

Part of the difference is current popularity, leading to limited availability of the 77" OLED, and discounting of the Samsung.  The reasons why are outlined above... but at that price differential, I might "make the sacrifice" too.

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Jeff replied on Sat, Mar 3 2018 4:30 PM

Beofan67:

But like MM says 'There is a TV - and there is a BV" Big Smile

Or you could say: There is expensive, and there is overpriced! Stick out tongue

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Surely, though how many products come an open invitation to joining the beta software club? Important now there are so few dealers and technicians and you will avoid customer service. Complain straight at the engineers who designed it. Perhaps posting that on B&Os Facebook page would help enrollment at BeoWorld too?

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Raeven replied on Sat, Mar 3 2018 5:58 PM

Hello Guys, thanks for your commentsBig Smile

Of course I know the difference between QLED and OLED, checked out the LG range aswell. But personally I find the OLED colours to bright. As long term B&O fan (still have a BV10 and BV 7-55, and all other goodies) it was with pain in my hart to make the switch. But after my last B&O purchases (Moment and Beosound1) and having only software issues I have given up. If B&O would have build a nice state of the art Beosystem 5 I would definitely have bought it. Anyhow I now have a TV which works and I can still listen to my beautiful speakers!

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Calvin replied on Sat, Mar 3 2018 6:34 PM

With most tv's great and bad the picture normally looks great until you compare them side by side. Who cares how the contrast looks if you're watching the news or a comedy show.

Where you notice it is either really:

1) Sports where the refresh rate and contrast help you keep track of things. Tennis, golf and cricket are especially noticeable because you have a small fast moving ball and it's so much better to watch on a high quality screen

2) If you watch dark films then you really appreciate the blackest blacks and detail in dark shadowy scenes.

I was going to add a paragraph or two here but instead I'm going to start a new thread actually, asking for people's recommendations

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mbolo01 replied on Sat, Mar 3 2018 6:47 PM
This is what I like with the Samsung frame, a TV that you look at all the time:

BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1

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Puncher replied on Sat, Mar 3 2018 7:31 PM

Before we bandy words like "crap" can we wait until we've heard from members who have personally seen a properly calibrated or set up Samsung along side the Eclipse playing the same content in the same ambient conditions at the same time?

Who will start?

 

 

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Fidse replied on Sat, Mar 3 2018 8:02 PM
I have seen both OLED and QLED calibrated. Not side by side, but both in blacked out rooms, playing much of the same content.

And it’s not because I’m a beofan. The Eclipse is my first ever B&O item, besides a pair of headphones 10 years ago. I would have never bought a Beovision if they had’nt put an OLED panel in it. Once i owned my first OLED, there is just no way I’m ever going to be happy with LCD/LED. My OLEDB6 was also the first ever tv i was happy with, after my Pioneer 9050 died on me.

Perhaps “crap” is a harsh word, but my honest opinion is, that QLED is nothing but a glorified LED tv, and not even a very good one.

Puncher:

Before we bandy words like "crap" can we wait until we've heard from members who have personally seen a properly calibrated or set up Samsung along side the Eclipse playing the same content in the same ambient conditions at the same time?

Who will start?

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benoit replied on Sat, Mar 3 2018 8:36 PM

Fidse:
Not side by side, but both in blacked out rooms

I don't know but does the majority watch TV in a blacked out room? I don't and maybe in 'normal' viewing conditions the differences between OLED and QLED are not that huge. I watched many times OLED TV and although the blacks are impressive, I find the colors a bit too artificial (too vivid and not very natural to my eyes).

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Puncher replied on Sat, Mar 3 2018 9:03 PM

Fidse:
I have seen both OLED and QLED calibrated. Not side by side, but both in blacked out rooms, playing much of the same content.

 

And it’s not because I’m a beofan. The Eclipse is my first ever B&O item, besides a pair of headphones 10 years ago. I would have never bought a Beovision if they had’nt put an OLED panel in it. Once i owned my first OLED, there is just no way I’m ever going to be happy with LCD/LED. My OLEDB6 was also the first ever tv i was happy with, after my Pioneer 9050 died on me.

 

 

Perhaps “crap” is a harsh word, but my honest opinion is, that QLED is nothing but a glorified LED tv, and not even a very good one.

 

 

Puncher:

 

Before we bandy words like "crap" can we wait until we've heard from members who have personally seen a properly calibrated or set up Samsung along side the Eclipse playing the same content in the same ambient conditions at the same time?

 

Who will start?

 

 

 

There are opinions and there are Beofan opinions!

 

Ban boring signatures!

 

 

So, to summarise, you haven't compared his exact TV model to an Eclipse playing the same content in the same ambient conditions at the same time.

Ban boring signatures!

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Jeff replied on Sat, Mar 3 2018 10:05 PM

poodleboy:

Surely, though how many products come an open invitation to joining the beta software club? Important now there are so few dealers and technicians and you will avoid customer service. Complain straight at the engineers who designed it. Perhaps posting that on B&Os Facebook page would help enrollment at BeoWorld too?

Congratulations on buying a product that's not completely developed or tested or finished! We hope you enjoy your new experience as an unpaid beta tester! Hey, at least you are a beta tester, consider those poor fools we stuck with being alpha testers...Crying

Perhaps B&O finds it much cheaper to let their customers be beta testers rather than adequately test their s/w before product release?

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Fidse replied on Sat, Mar 3 2018 10:07 PM
You are spot on Smile

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So, to summarise, you haven't compared his exact TV model to an Eclipse playing the same content in the same ambient conditions at the same time.

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mbolo01:

This is what I like with the Samsung frame, a TV that you look at all the time:

BS Moment, BL 18, BL 19, A6, M5, A1, H5

Good point.

It does look much better than the ChromeCast screen saver on my BV8 Big Smile

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Fidse:

OLED isn’t more expensive than QLED. And it doesn't have to be a Loewe OR a B&O, to be an OLED

Trackbeo:

At that size (and at this time) it is: An LG OLED 77" (77G7P) is about USD10000.  A Samsung 75" QLED (QN75Q9F) is about USD7000.  And last year's model (QN75Q7F) is about USD3300!

Part of the difference is current popularity, leading to limited availability of the 77" OLED, and discounting of the Samsung.  The reasons why are outlined above... but at that price differential, I might "make the sacrifice" too.

Thanks Trackbeo - that was my out of date price recollection.

I know I am comparing 🍏 with 🍌 and even 🍊however in 🇦🇺 being on the far side of the universe the differentials at the high end are considerable:

B&O Eclipse 65” ~A$23K

Loewe OLED 77” ~A$25K

Samsung Q8 75” ~A$8K !!!

However much as I would love a 77” I suspect I am going to end up with a 55” Eclipse

Affordable, now through its alpha and beta phase, and minimal multi-room integration issues ......,

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Congratulation with your new tv, when going for 75" your options are limited, and size do matter :)

But I dont understand some in this forum will try to deny that a OLED is much better then any LCD.

When you have first had an OLED you will never consider to move back to LCD.

And I have had my Eclipse now for 2 weeks or so, and not beta tes complains from my view. 

Yes more stuff will be nice, and off cause Mybuttons should work. But in generel the Eclipse can do much more then the Avant and do it better and faster, so yea the eclipse is worth a buy.

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Fidse replied on Sun, Mar 4 2018 8:22 AM
People should stop comparing the Samsung and the Eclipse.

You can compare the Samsung and LG/Sony/Panasonic/Philips OLED, that will make somewhat sense, when you’re mentioning prices.

On another note, i hope that at least OP, knows that my first post was not meant as harsh as it can seem, when on writing, and not in my native tongue.
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Waiting for the MicroLED tv’s to come - in 2020/21 ;-))))

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Raeven replied on Sun, Mar 4 2018 9:19 AM

# Fidse: no harsh feelings!

I agree comparing prices and QLED vs OLED is for me; at least irrelevant. I am happy with the screen quality and this solution fits the best in my living room setup.

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Nice setup Raeven !

Great photo - how you got the sunlight stripes on the wood !

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Raeven replied on Sun, Mar 4 2018 9:31 AM

just nice weather today here in Belgium Big Smile

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Fidse replied on Sun, Mar 4 2018 9:50 AM
Fantastic display! It really does look great!

Also; a 65” Eclipse would have been sitting waaaay to high, with your cabinet underneath :)

Raeven:

# Fidse: no harsh feelings!

I agree comparing prices and QLED vs OLED is for me; at least irrelevant. I am happy with the screen quality and this solution fits the best in my living room setup.

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BEOVOX141 replied on Sun, Mar 4 2018 10:29 AM

I have done the A/B comparison.

7-55 mk II (technically a Samsung LCD) vs C7 OLED, - side by side, same source.

Obviously not 4k...

But staying away from the pitfalls like Channel logo and black and white end credits, its really down to image processing, and at least for fast moving sports, the BV might just have the edge.

One thing is for sure on standard HD material its a very close call, coming down to personal preferences.

 

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elephant replied on Sun, Mar 4 2018 10:50 AM
Beovox141 that is interesting ...

Did you compare some of the movies in the thread that was started this weekend ?

- avatar

- blade runner

- fifth element

- gravity

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Raeven replied on Sun, Mar 4 2018 11:12 AM

# Fidse, correct with this setup a Beosystem 5 with just a screen would have been perfect, but the Eclipse is not possible.

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BEOVOX141 replied on Sun, Mar 4 2018 11:17 AM

elephant:
Beovox141 that is interesting ...

 

Did you compare some of the movies in the thread that was started this weekend ?

- avatar

- blade runner

- fifth element

- gravity

 

Yes, Avatar and Gravity is always the top picks, and I added Tintin to the list in the thread.

And since it is a TV,- DVB-T and S.

Unfortunately, I do not have a good 4k source (awaiting a "suitcase" delivery) I can't really say how much that will change the overall "picture" Smile

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trackbeo replied on Sun, Mar 4 2018 12:27 PM

elephant:
Nice setup Raeven !  Great photo - how you got the sunlight stripes on the wood !

[[Yes, but how he must have winced and prayed to the tree when drilling the cable hole and bracket fittings...  Not only bookmatched on the wall, but when sliced across the cabinet doors too!  Is that engineered, like Abet Laminati, or raw veneer from a custom furniture maker?  Beautiful photo & beautiful result; wish I could see the speakers out in the room too!  OK, sorry to veer off; back on topic:]]

This photo shows how important the size actually was, in this particular installation, and the aspect ratio, too: His only reasonable choice in the B&O line would have been an Avant-75, not an Eclipse-65.

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pjk561 replied on Sun, Mar 4 2018 6:40 PM

I have a Beosystem 4 which drives a Sony A1E. I also have an Oppo UDP-203 which has two HDMI outputs one of which is Audio Out Only. The Audio Out Only goes to the Beosystem 4 (Super Easy to install and configure on Beosystem 4) and the other HDMI feeds the Sony A1E. Watched Disney's Coco in 4K UHD  last night, picture and sound were spectacular.

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Jeff replied on Sun, Mar 4 2018 6:50 PM

Absolutely gorgeous installation, beautiful wood. Definitely need not only a large set but one that doesn't have a lot sticking down below it (as in the Eclipse) so it isn't mounted too high. I've never understood how people can watch TVs mounted over fireplaces and such, I'd get a sore neck looking up all the time. Center of the screen should be either at or only slightly above eye level for a seated viewer.

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pjk561:

I have a Beosystem 4 which drives a Sony A1E. I also have an Oppo UDP-203 which has two HDMI outputs one of which is Audio Out Only. The Audio Out Only goes to the Beosystem 4 (Super Easy to install and configure on Beosystem 4) and the other HDMI feeds the Sony A1E. Watched Disney's Coco in 4K UHD  last night, picture and sound were spectacular.

And how do you use or more specific listen to the app’s and the tuners of the Sony?

Maybe you only use the Sony as a monitor, or?

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pjk561 replied on Sun, Mar 4 2018 9:52 PM

I primarily use the TV as a monitor. I have a Chanel Master DVR+ which is plugged into the Beosystem 4 for 98% of my OTA TV viewing. I don't stream movies but I have on rare occasion have viewed You Tube utilizing the TV's speakers. The TV will default to its internal speakers when it doesn't detect the Beosystem 4 HDMI port active. Its active when using the Oppo or DVR+. When pulling new HDMI cables for 4K I removed an optical cable that I had previously installed years ago. If I had left the optical cable installed I could have also fed that back to the Beosystem 4 but I haven't missed not having it. Should I get into streaming I will probably buy a Roku, streamers are like a dime a dozen anymore and would have preferred  Sony not waste their time on having them built in as its just something else to go wrong.

The Oppo has an HDMI in which I believe will support 4K UHD via certain streamers so the video could go to the TV and audio to the Beosystem 4.

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Jeff replied on Sun, Mar 4 2018 10:04 PM

pjk561:

I primarily use the TV as a monitor. I have a Chanel Master DVR+ which is plugged into the Beosystem 4 for 98% of my OTA TV viewing. I don't stream movies but I have on rare occasion viewed You Tube utilizing the TV's speakers. When pulling new HDMI cables for 4K I removed an optical cable that I had previously installed years ago. If I had left the optical cable installed I could have also fed that back to the Beosystem 4 but I haven't missed not having it. Should I get into streaming I will probably buy a Roku, streamers are like a dime a dozen anymore and would have preferred  Sony not waste their time on having them built in as its just something else to go wrong.

Much the same as how I use my Panasonic, albeit I don't use any Beo gear with it. But, I had to use the TVs internal app for Amazon Video for a while, and ran an optical cable to the Marantz receiver I use, since at the time Apple TV and Amazon weren't playing nice with each other. You could get an Apple app for Amazon Video for the iPhone and iPad, but not the Apple TV. Late last year they finally kissed and made up, so all streaming I do is through the Apple TV now. I occasionally think about going with a Beosystem 4 or even 3 but as long as the AVR I have continues to work I am happy with the results. I tried using an AV7000 for a while years ago to merge my B&O music system with my AV system, what a horrid experience. The AV7000 is not a very good product sonically IMO, once I split them again I've not looked back. As you say, Roku, Apple TV, Amazon Fire, lots of options for streaming boxes.

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pjk561 replied on Sun, Mar 4 2018 10:21 PM

I had great luck with an AV7000. One of the most sonically memorable moments for me was using the AV7000 with a Pioneer Laser Disc player playing "Strictly Ballroom"  and the Paso Doble dance as the Father's shoe heels struck the floor. The dynamics were incredible in my system. As things when Dolby Digital so did I and for years had trouble getting something to match those dynamics.

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Note (if someone not already know this): the AV7000 was never sold in Europa - was for the North American market.

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