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Afternoon gents,
I recently purchased a tremendous BV5 for my mother from Lee at Lifestyle and had it shipped to Denmark where she lives (of all places!)
She is old school and likes to record her favourite programmes on TV (previously had an Avant with video)
I installed the BV5 fine, hooked it up to her BC2, Lab6000s, V8000 video, bedroom BV6 and 2 link speakers in other rooms. All works fine - except the video recording:
I can get it to record the channel that is being watched on the BV5 manually by pressing record twice, no problem. The issue arises when I try to set the timer to record a program. It starts fine and display record on the V8000 as it should and appear to be recording (the tape is running) however, the recordings come out black. Absolutely nothing, no sound and no picture.
I simply cannot understand how it can record fine manually but not when set to timer.. seems to me it cannot therefore be the connection (its just a scart cable into the back of the BV5 - very simple)
Any ideas fellas? Many thanks
Hi Bebs,
you must chooce the source for the recording - otherweise it will record from its own internal (analog) tuner.
See page 16-17:
http://www.bang-olufsen.com/de/customer-service/product-support/picture/beocord-v8000
Greetings Millemissen
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Hi Millemissen and thanks for the reply.
I'm fairly certain I have chosen TV as the 'source' and selected the channel in question to be recorded a number of times all resulting in black screens, which as you say, must be because the V8000 is recording from its own tuner rather than from the BV5..
Perhaps I have the scart cable in the wrong socket at the back of the V8000? There are 2 options: Video tape Decoder OR AV?
The BV5 is easy - there is only 1 scart socket for Video.
Just a thought - do I need to tune the video to have the exact same channels as the beovision in order to record on a timer?
I was under the impression this is not necessary as the V8000 just uses the TV channels programmed into the BV5.. provided you select the TV as 'souce' and choose your channel to be recorded?
Please don't think I'm suggesting you aren't aware of what I'm going to suggest but give it a go.
Just a thought, but if you are recording from the BV5 tuner, wouldn't the BV5 need to turn on and go to that channel to allow a timer recording. The BV5 has a single tuner and if the Beocord records from the TV it will use that tuner. If the TV is off when the timer record starts it will not turn on the TV and therefore cannot record from that tuner as it is not turned on.
As the Beocord seems to record what is on screen OK, try turning the BV5 off while still recording and play back to see if the recording goes black? Also, try setting a timer record let it run for a minute, then turn the TV on and play back the recording. If the recording shows as black when you know the TV was off, that is your issue.
I would think the only way to get a timer recording without either turning the TV on and/or going to the channel on the TV is to use the Beocord tuner!
Are they still on terrestrial TV in Denmark or are you using a set-top box of some sort? That will make a difference in how you have to set up all the connections and aerial etc..
Stoobie
PS - Spotted this in the V8000 manual
What’s on the TIMER RECORD menu…SOURCEIndicates the source you are recording from. Thefollowing options are available:TV… select to record TV programmes. Since theTV programme is recorded from the videotaperecorder’s tuner, you can still watch another TVprogramme while you are recording.AV… select to record directly from your BeoVisionTV, connected to your BeoCord V 8000, TV orSAT are available
So it will make a difference if you are using a set top box (STB) as the connections all need to be correct.
You say you only have a scart going to the TV from the video, but you will need an aerial cable into the V800 and then from there to the TV, and tune the V8000 in to the channels on it's own tuner.
I think you've got it there Stoobietoo. I have been reading the BV5 manual back to front since my last posts and it specifically states that you must enter the aerial cable into the V8000 FIRST and then run a secondary aerial cable to the BV5! (there is no STB) Hence allowing you to record via the V8000 tuner when the TV is turned off I guess. I should have thought of this while I was over there but after a full day of lifting a BV5 up flights of stairs, setting it all up and connecting everything, tuning the TV channels etc etc my mind was numb and I just gave up in the end. DOH :o(
Will have to pop back over to re-arrange aerial cables and tune the V8000 TV channels.
Thank you all for your input - much appreciated!
I'm glad that may have helped! I know exactly what it is like when you spend so much time doing something then concentrate on the issue. You become blind to the obvious causes and the more you try to get it working the less you look outside the box. I don't envy you having to carry the BV5 anywhere! Ours weighs a ton so no wonder you were tired out!
We are re-modelling the house and have bought a wall bracket for ours (it stands on the BV5 cabinet at the moment).
When the living room is finished we will be hanging it on the wall. I'm not looking forward to trying to fit all the cables and then lift it onto the wall bracket because If they are not connected properly the thought of lifting that TV up and down from the bracket makes me shudder. What I have decided to do is duplicate all the sockets on a panel, and run 1m or 1.5m cables from the back of the panel to the TV so that once it has been hung I have a panel of connectors that are easy to get to. I can then connect everything to the new socket panel which will sit in the new unit I will have beneath the TV. The cables will run in a trunking to match the TV finish.
in Denmark hardly anyone is using the old analog signals.
Analog signals are only avaible in cablenets, and are soon to be determinated.
Your mother should start looking for a digital (MPEG4) tuner, which can be installed as a settopbox-controlled device.
Or a B&O compatible ....tuner, which can be controlled by the Beo4.
It will make it harder to record tv-programmes, but the picture (and the sound) will surely be better.
There are B&O-compatible boxes with twin-tuners (and harddisk-recording) on the nordic market too.
The BV5 is a great tv with a nice picture and wonderfull sound, but unfortunatly outdated because of the BSys2-basis.
Hi Stoobie,
Did you buy an STB bracket for the wall?
I have my own BV5 up on the wall on an STB. It really is not that difficult to do. The TV effectively hangs on two 'hooks' that are screwed into the BV5 and can be lifted on and off the flat wall bracket quite easily although it does take 2 people.
Can I suggest you fit all the cables to the back of the BV5 whilst the second person holds the TV standing on the floor. Once all cables are fitted use cable ties to bind them together into one length of cable. That way there is less chance any of the cables, and in particular scart cables, coming loose as you lift it up onto the wall bracket. I found this method worked for me the first time.
I made an 'extension box' of the skirting board underneath the wall bracket in which I have fitted all the cables, a 6 socket extension lead for mains power etc. If you have a surround setup plus say, a BC2, a V8000, a set top box and so on, there really is rather a lot of cables and plugs to make room for. Additionally, I have fitted white electrical trunking to match my skirting boards throughout the house in order to hide all link speaker cables, surround speakers, bed room TVs etc. If you'd like any photos I'm happy to forward. The BV5 looks great on the wall and I'm sure you'll approve once you get yours up too :o)
Thank you for the advice. Yes she is on a cablenet at the moment - not sure if and when the analogue signal will be terminated.
Would you be able to forward a link to an example of a digital tuner that she would need as I have no idea about this.. it is difficult to keep on top of Danish technology when you have lived for the past 25 years in the UK.
Alternatively, a twin tuner that enables hard disk recording might be a good solution I guess. My mother is 74 so the world of digital television is not quite her strength or forte! (she's quite happy recording on a video like the old days) ;o) Despite all that, she does enjoy her link speakers, BC2 etc and absolutely loves the BV5. It would appear that she over the years has become as obsessed with B&O as I..
the problem about the termination of the analouge signals is also, that there are fewer and fewer channels to watch - and that the content most people want to see is transferred to digital (MPEG4) channels.
I helped installing quite a few 'boxes' during the last couple of years.
Most of them were the Triax 207:
http://www.triax.dk/News/SingleNews.aspx?newsid=%7BF4A9867E-5F70-46E2-8B15-CC292B112A98%7D
Have a look at this site too:
http://www.av-connection.dk/?Language=UK&ML=1337
The 2 last ones can be controlled drectly with the Beo4 (without installing a PUC).
The navigation etc is a bit different from what people (who are used to B&O), are used to, but even with 74 years you can learn that - especially if it is the only way to see what you want to see.
Changing to satelite or terrestrial signals won't help - in DK these signals were digital-only for quite a while now.
P.S. I wonder if and or why you let the BV5 ship from the UK (Lifestyle)? It a rather heavy thing!
In Denmark these tv's meanwhile are at low costs, and very soon - just like the Avants - will be hard to 'get rid of'.
A pity - but that is what is happening after the new MPEG4-technology has become the standard.
There is no 'if' about closing down the analouge signals - in about two years time it is EOL in the cablenets too.
Even the MEG2-based digital signals are now terminated.
Millemissen,
Thank you so much for your very helpful input. Yes she only has 6 channels to watch at the moment.
I shipped the BV5 from Lee because I trust him and his products. I do not know any second hand B&O dealers in Denmark and since I have dealt with Lifestyle for many years I chose that route as I have always had excellent products and service from them. I would not deal with anyone else.
Once the analogue signals do terminate - I may be back in touch for further advice if you don't mind.
Its kind of difficult to do from the UK as I have no experience of it at all.
Once again, many thanks for the assistance and helpful advice.
B
Another Option is:
There is a list of SAT / Cable recievers that can be controlled via the Beo 4 (using a cable from the back of the tv to the device) in the Menu of the Beovision 5 somewhere. You could get any of those, cheap on ebay as they will not be the latest ones. This way you could find a device that has a HDD built in (for example Technisat Digicorder S1 or S2), too.
Best regardsRalf
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please return for further advice if you please.
I happen to know 'how things are handled' in Denmark - if you understand
And - please do notice - I was not questioning the service or the quality of service of Lifestyle - not at all!
I was just wondering what makes someone ship a BV5 to the 'motherland of B&O'.
And now I have the explanation
I'm not sure I follow you with 'how things are handled in Denmark' I was just aware the a friend of my mother's had to pay DKK 8000 for B&O to come and install a box to her BV in order for her to watch digital TV! Unbelievable cost really given that she had purchased all of her B&O new from that same shop 2 years previously and spent in the region of DKK 150,000 with them.
I am Danish myself and speak the language, however, it is rather difficult to find a decent contact over there because I've lived in the UK for so many years. I've bought a couple of things many years ago from a guy in DK but he turned out to be absolutely useless and I ended up getting advice in the UK instead. That is partly why I am reluctant to purchase any used products in DK as I simply have no reference to the seller and since I have a great relationship with the Lifestyle boys I just buy from them and be done with it. Yes, it was a bit of a hassle to ship a BV5 to DK and rather expensive.. but it turned up on the day I had specified for delivery, was in the original shipping crate and my mother is happy - the main thing :o)
Thanks again for your help and input - I haven't used Beoworld for a little while and had forgotten exactly how helpful and knowledgeable you guys are!
Hi Bebs/Brian,
" I was just aware the a friend of my mother's had to pay DKK 8000 for B&O to come and install a box to her BV in order for her to watch digital TV! Unbelievable cost really....."
That depends on what was done - in some of the 'newer' BV's you can built in a new tuner and do a general upgrade.
This is indeed expensive - but also the solution one should prefer, if one already has spend a lot of money.
What I was talking about, is adding an external tuner - either the Beo4-compatible box or the 'normal one' with adding a PUC to the BV (f possible).
This would cost the box and an hour (maybe two) for installing.
As for your decision to buy at your dealer in the UK, I certainly understand it!
Without saying too much....the B&O secondhand market in Denmark is difficult to handle.
Ups - again 'to handle'!
It means you have to be careful, know the market, know a bit about the dealer(s), and the products (serialnumbers, which tuner, MK? etc) and take your time before buying.
On the other hand - many Bang & Olufsen dealers sell secondhand products as well.
You may be paying a bit more in the shops, but you generally have no worries about the products afterwards.
Hilsen Millemissen
Hi Brian
I bought an original BV5 bracket from someone on here
The main reason I decided I'd make the duplicate panel is that I'm putting a low unit below the TV and want the flexibility of being able to change items without having to lift the TV off the wall each time (risking dropping it). Also, not all the cables from the items I want to connect are of the same length so i thought if I as going to the bother of buying new ones I may as well make my panel. I have most of the sockets I need already as I bought them from a B&O dealer that was closing so it should be quite easy.
I have STB, AppleTV, DVD2 and Raspberry PI connected at the moment, along with a pair of Beolab Pentas and a pair of Beovox Pentas (running via a Beolink Passive) so every connection is being used and there are tons of cables. Where it is temporarily it looks a mess with cables everywhere but when it is on the wall everything will be hidden in the low unit and out of sight.
Look forward to seeing photos on the wall Stoobie!
Good luck with the installation :o)