Future home automation

Hello all

i am currently running a control 4 system and have it controlling my bv7 via a lintronic -238

It is working really well but one day I think I would like to have it connected the way it was intended with a masterlink gateway.

 

as masterlink is disappearing these days what is the plan for home automation control of newer products with netlink?

one day I need to work out if it's better to update my tv rather than buy the ML gateway.

 

any thoughts?

 

cheers all

Hi

You could find a mlgw around 1000 euros on the second hand market if you are lucky enough, maybe less.

The problem is how will you use the mlgw with the control4 system. There is a mlgw driver for control4 sold by recluse av but I don't know the price actually.

Ii is sold only by control4 dealer.

If this driver is too expensiv maybe it doesn't worth to go this way.

If b&o sells a new mlgw it won't be cheaper, maybe easier to use or program.

In last february a new driver was published for another system so I conclude that the mlgw is still under development.

Br

Olivier

Hi there

i have noticed on the bang and olufsen website you can now download control 4 drivers so maybe my dealer could use those with the MLGW.

my question is if new products are without masterlink and come with netlink then a MLGW will not do anything in the the future.

 

The new MLGW is called the 'BeoLink GateWay' - and has already been announced at the ISE In Amsterdam february this year.

MM

The question is how long it will take until 'Netlink' and 'Beolink Gateway' will offer ALL capabilities of 'Masterlink' and 'Masterlink Gateway'. I assume we'll have to wait many years...

Greets

Räuber

Raeuber:

The question is how long it will take until 'Netlink' and 'Beolink Gateway' will offer ALL capabilities of 'Masterlink' and 'Masterlink Gateway'. I assume we'll have to wait many years...

From the press release and photos it appears the new Beolink gateway has a masterlink connection as well as netlink so it will be interesting to see more details when released.

Kind Regards,

Martin.

Seanie_230:

Hello all

i am currently running a control 4 system and have it controlling my bv7 via a lintronic -238

It is working really well but one day I think I would like to have it connected the way it was intended with a masterlink gateway.

 

as masterlink is disappearing these days what is the plan for home automation control of newer products with netlink?

one day I need to work out if it's better to update my tv rather than buy the ML gateway.

 

any thoughts?

cheers all

My friend is running a B&O system with a US BV7 plus mac mini, BS900, 2 X BL3500, security, and cameras, from Control 4 and Gateway, with sets of codes the installer got from Control 4 for a small charge and B&O for no charge. Don't know the whole story but it can be done.  

symmes:

My friend is running a B&O system with a US BV7 plus mac mini, BS900, 2 X BL3500, security, and cameras, from Control 4 and Gateway, with sets of codes the installer got from Control 4 for a small charge and B&O for no charge. Don't know the whole story but it can be done.

"Sets of codes the installer got from control4" = should be the recluse av drive

The driver provided by b&o is not sufficient.

Please, could you ask your friend more details ? Drivers from control4 and price

I have heard the the nl gateway will arrive in may for resale.

I have been told it will be IP based, of course, and display up to date status on a Netlink tv.

Should make B & O extremely relevant in the home automation and could allow the bypass is control systems like crestron and amx

I currently use mlgw and the BO app as my complete home automation system to operate all radiora2.

The nl gateway will supposedly increase those functions and I understand will be mess expensive than the ml gateway.

Exciting times.

Hi there

 

cannot wait for more info, it does feel a bit strange the a netlink gateway will be needed when the new devices are already IP enabled.

 

Seanie_230:

i am currently running a control 4 system and have it controlling my bv7 via a lintronic -238

To operate a Bvis 7 from Conrol4 a Lintronic box is NOT necessarily required.

Just load the hex codes for B&O into the Control4 driver and then attach a wideband IR blaster to the C4 IR output, then hide (if you wish) the IR blaster within the Bvis 7.

For 2 way control you can have a PUC made up that will control the C4 processor from the Beo 4/5/6 or for massochists you can control the C4 directly from the Beo5/6.

This all works well for projects with a few B&O products within a Control4 enviroment. The PUC control from BeoVisions is such a brilliant feature and is vastly underused IMHO, and it could additionally benefit from having an additional IR passthrough option.

Of course if there are a lot of B&O main products in the project then of course the MLGW makes sense.

 

The NL gateway will give two way and allow control from an iDevice.

You don't have that now with the Ml gateway.

The ip system and cat7 apparently lend nicely to two way feedback.

I personally will be getting one.

I want to replace a bv10 with bv11 and add sys4 to a bv4 and connect the NL gateway to that and the legacy products I have so I'll have 2 way in specific areas.

Exciting stuff for B & O. I use lutron radio ra 2 and look forward to two way with lutron as well!

seanklemis:

Hi there

cannot wait for more info, it does feel a bit strange the a netlink gateway will be needed when the new devices are already IP enabled.

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mjmedlo:

The NL gateway will give two way and allow control from an iDevice.

You don't have that now with the Ml gateway.

The ip system and cat7 apparently lend nicely to two way feedback.

I personally will be getting one.

I want to replace a bv10 with bv11 and add sys4 to a bv4 and connect the NL gateway to that and the legacy products I have so I'll have 2 way in specific areas.

Exciting stuff for B & O. I use lutron radio ra 2 and look forward to two way with lutron as well!

Again this will be great if you have a lot of B&O products to integrate with your lighting/automation system.

If however you only have a couple of products the NL gateway is not really necessary particularly as I hear that Cresron/C4/RTI are working on IP drivers for the current TV range.

I agree

I have 8 b&o televisions and 4 other link zones with the lighting system.

The gateway is the only way to go for me.

StUrrock:

Again this will be great if you have a lot of B&O products to integrate with your lighting/automation system.

If however you only have a couple of products the NL gateway is not really necessary particularly as I hear that Cresron/C4/RTI are working on IP drivers for the current TV range.

mjmedlo:

I agree

I have 8 b&o televisions and 4 other link zones with the lighting system.

 

The gateway is the only way to go for me.

 Without a doubt the best way

I don't think it will be necessary to have the gateway rather it will be the new way to control the other automation products. Lights, curtains, etc.

It should be seen as a crestron, control 4, etc. alternative, not just a b&o interface.

I think all will be pleasantly surprised at the interaction. As I say, I think it will be a direct competitor for crestron and control 4 type systems. Much more than a box between the two.

STAY TUNED!!

 

mjmedlo:

It should be seen as a crestron, control 4, etc. alternative, not just a b&o interface.

keep on dreaming lol

mjmedlo:

It should be seen as a crestron, control 4, etc. alternative, not just a b&o interface.

 

That has to be the funniest line I have ever read on Beoworld, thanks for making me smile today.

Don't just leave me hanging on why I'm wrong.

Tell me why crestron and control 4 are so much better??

And... Help me justify the extra 50k to install a really good control system with your expertise in the matter.

mjmedlo:

Don't just leave me hanging on why I'm wrong.

Tell me why crestron and control 4 are so much better??

And... Help me justify the extra 50k to install a really good control system with your expertise in the matter.

Thank you for the second post I found so funny on BeoWorld.

To put it bluntly the MLGW is a sort of lintronic box. Do not get me wrong lintronic is brilliant and the MLGW does it's job ok.

To compare Crestron to Control4 is like comparing champagne to cava.

MLGW and the new B&O offering is merely an interface from B&O to other systems, in it itself it is nowadays virtually useless unless your system includes a lot of legacy ml products.

As mentioned before with IP drivers to control B&O TVs other control systems do not need a B&O interface box.

With no sensible Multiroom audio solution from B&O at present why buy a MLGW or equivilant?

Certainly to each their own.

I have found the beolink app to be MUCH more than a lintronic box.

I use the beolink app as whole home control with every lighting zone individually programmed and all scenes programmed through the lutron system.

Personally I find the beo4 much nicer than a control 4 app and frankly the control 4 app is clunky.

The only automation system IMO worth paying for is one which has an overlay of the room where one can press the light or audio/video device they want to initiate. That only comes with about $50k of programming and equipment here in the good ole US of A.

As I said, to each their own. For me, the mlgw and beolink gateway more than provide the automation I'm looking for.

I use lutron and B&O independently and concurrently for scene triggers.

Couldn't be happier with mine. .... And I have the $50k to add to my B&O collection.

If you find the control system to be worth the extra added cost then so be it.

I think the mlgw is much more powerful and has much more potential than most users want or need. I expect the BeolinkGW will follow and surpass my current uses.

mjmedlo:

Certainly to each their own.

I have found the beolink app to be MUCH more than a lintronic box.

I use the beolink app as whole home control with every lighting zone individually programmed and all scenes programmed through the lutron system.

Personally I find the beo4 much nicer than a control 4 app and frankly the control 4 app is clunky.

The only automation system IMO worth paying for is one which has an overlay of the room where one can press the light or audio/video device they want to initiate. That only comes with about $50k of programming and equipment here in the good ole US of A.

As I said, to each their own. For me, the mlgw and beolink gateway more than provide the automation I'm looking for.

I use lutron and B&O independently and concurrently for scene triggers.

Couldn't be happier with mine. .... And I have the $50k to add to my B&O collection.

If you find the control system to be worth the extra added cost then so be it.

I think the mlgw is much more powerful and has much more potential than most users want or need. I expect the BeolinkGW will follow and surpass my current uses.

Control4s interface is not to everyone's taste but as a system it's capabilities are far more than the MLGW you are right my comment re lintronic was a bit tongue in cheek ;)

I fail to see where this figure of £50k comes from unless your using savant/amx/Crestron. In our jobs the majority of the spend is on the music system and lighting just like in yours.

We have and continue to get the MLGW to talk to any system that will accept rs232 or IP commands, but in most recent instances our clients want a universal remote/app/keypads to work throughout their home.

If there isn't a B&O product in the majority of rooms the MLGW just adds to the complexity and cost of programming for no added benefit.

Really glad you enjoy your system for your needs we would have specified a MLGW but that scenario is becoming rarer and rarer in our automation projects.

We think of the MLGW as a B&O control system that controls other control systems, which in turn can be controlled itself by other control systems. :)

StUrrock:

mjmedlo:

 

Certainly to each their own.

 

 

I have found the beolink app to be MUCH more than a lintronic box.

 

I use the beolink app as whole home control with every lighting zone individually programmed and all scenes programmed through the lutron system.

 

Personally I find the beo4 much nicer than a control 4 app and frankly the control 4 app is clunky.

 

The only automation system IMO worth paying for is one which has an overlay of the room where one can press the light or audio/video device they want to initiate. That only comes with about $50k of programming and equipment here in the good ole US of A.

 

As I said, to each their own. For me, the mlgw and beolink gateway more than provide the automation I'm looking for.

 

I use lutron and B&O independently and concurrently for scene triggers.

 

Couldn't be happier with mine. .... And I have the $50k to add to my B&O collection.

 

If you find the control system to be worth the extra added cost then so be it.

 

I think the mlgw is much more powerful and has much more potential than most users want or need. I expect the BeolinkGW will follow and surpass my current uses.

 

 

 

Control4s interface is not to everyone's taste but as a system it's capabilities are far more than the MLGW you are right my comment re lintronic was a bit tongue in cheek ;)

 

 

I fail to see where this figure of £50k comes from unless your using savant/amx/Crestron. In our jobs the majority of the spend is on the music system and lighting just like in yours.

 

 

We have and continue to get the MLGW to talk to any system that will accept rs232 or IP commands, but in most recent instances our clients want a universal remote/app/keypads to work throughout their home.

 

 

If there isn't a B&O product in the majority of rooms the MLGW just adds to the complexity and cost of programming for no added benefit.

 

 

Really glad you enjoy your system for your needs we would have specified a MLGW but that scenario is becoming rarer and rarer in our automation projects.

 

 

We think of the MLGW as a B&O control system that controls other control systems, which in turn can be controlled itself by other control systems. :)

 

I have a feeling everyone will be blown away shortly. 

mjmedlo:

I don't think it will be necessary to have the gateway rather it will be the new way to control the other automation products. Lights, curtains, etc.

 

It should be seen as a crestron, control 4, etc. alternative, not just a b&o interface.

 

I think all will be pleasantly surprised at the interaction. As I say, I think it will be a direct competitor for crestron and control 4 type systems. Much more than a box between the two.

 

 

STAY TUNED!!

Hi there all

I am really interested to hear what the new NL device will bring. I do really miss my beo4 and an not 100% sure the move away was right.

I decided to always keep my bang and olufsen in my living room. I think I will have a look at a different approach currently I have control 4 controlling the bang and olufsen I may look into using bang and olufsen to control the rest of the house via control 4.

 

exciting times