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Amazing, and very stylish. I'm a realist, I know I'll never have a house with a dedicated windowless room for a home theater... so in that vein, I'd want a cinema room to have very good curtains (which truly keep the light (and some sound) out) automated of course, better soundproofing in the walls and windows, and flooring. I know that's a basic want, but once that "cave" is set up, anything resembling what was in the video would be wonderful!
MartinW:....this out and fitting a whole new cinema with a 160" screen....what features would YOU have in your ultimate cinema room?
i wonder how this will be done - with no HDMI-out on the BV's anymore, and no seperate B&O 'monitor' for the standalone BSys4?
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Great video! At the end, he says he'll come to your house free of charge, I'm in Melbourne Australia... Can we make a time?
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I love his accent. He even uses a rising inflection occasionally.
MartinW:I'll post a few videos to show some examples.
That would be great.
I am not sure if you set up the "origin" home cinema room in the basement of the B&O Newcastle store in Gray Street ?
When I was stationed in Newcastle I would drag visiting Aussies to the store to let them experience the magic of the set up (similar to your video).
I still believe that store was the best demonstration of BeoLiving - and the owners, managers and staff were a delight to deal with.
We really miss the soirees - especially the "luvvly bubbly" nights
BeoNut since '75
Millemissen: i wonder how this will be done - with no HDMI-out on the BV's anymore, and no seperate B&O 'monitor' for the standalone BSys4?
Was thinking the same. I'd like to know what's the current recommended setup to achieve this. Maybe with a HDMI matrix?
Beoworld app with direct photo upload and emoticons.
A HDMI splitter would work fine, have that setup for my PS3 connected to two TVs.
My B&O products: Beosound 9000, Beosound 2300, Beosound Century, Beolab 8000, Beolab 6000, Beolab 4000 x2, Beolab 3500, Beolab 2000, Beolab 10, Beolink Active x2, Beotime, Beo5 x2, Beo4, A9 keyring x2, LC2 dimmer x6 and growing....
Rivenflush:A HDMI splitter would work fine, have that setup for my PS3 connected to two TVs.
Naturally, you would need one for every source you get. But how many sources would you really need, not many have more than 2 - Blu ray/DVD + Satellite Box?
In fact, using a Beo5/6 you can integrate whatever you would like in your setup and have a Beofeel to it.
MartinW:Something a little different from all the Avant discussions...here's a video of our current Cinema room in Newcastle, UK. We're taking all of this out and fitting a whole new cinema with a 160" screen....what features would YOU have in your ultimate cinema room? https://vimeo.com/95287133
I find the challenge to be programming the timing of the electronic screen. I wish there were resources available for the end user to understand how to adjust the controls in the system menu to perfect the timing of the electronic screen, the blanking, and home automation options for screens and lighting. There are those mysterious sockets on the BeoSystem for home automation, but there is little information as to how to achieve this. I've found that there can be a huge range of knowledge and experience when it comes to B&O professional installers. Some installers know far less than I do about B&O products. Just recently, I tried getting help from BeoCare to control my Samsung screen with by BeoSystem 3. The person at BeoCare actually suggested that I simply use my Samsung remote to turn my screen on and off. (!!!!!) With a little work on my own, I got the BeoSystem to control the screen. However, now there seems to be a problem getting the menu overlay because there is not enough delay in starting the BeoSystem after turning on the tv screen. The person at BeoCare (this time a different person from the one who suggested using my Samsung remote) thought it made have something to do with the blanking settings on the BeoSystem - but he wasn't certain.
In short, it's very hard to achieve that ideal "magical" BeoLiving Cinema result like we saw in that video - and B&O doesn't seem very concerned about it.
beojeff: I find the challenge to be programming the timing of the electronic screen. I wish there were resources available for the end user to understand how to adjust the controls in the system menu to perfect the timing of the electronic screen, the blanking, and home automation options for screens and lighting. There are those mysterious sockets on the BeoSystem for home automation, but there is little information as to how to achieve this. I've found that there can be a huge range of knowledge and experience when it comes to B&O professional installers.
I find the challenge to be programming the timing of the electronic screen. I wish there were resources available for the end user to understand how to adjust the controls in the system menu to perfect the timing of the electronic screen, the blanking, and home automation options for screens and lighting. There are those mysterious sockets on the BeoSystem for home automation, but there is little information as to how to achieve this. I've found that there can be a huge range of knowledge and experience when it comes to B&O professional installers.
All the cinema functions, settings, timings, output wirings are explained for BS3 based systems in their service manuals available here on Beoworld in the manual section for download. there is nothing mysterious about the home automation functions - all you need is a control device that is able to handle open/close contacts (that`s what the cinema sockets are) as a trigger and execute macros - get a Lintronic box. Ofcourse you will need a projector and a motorized screen. Now you can control your screen, projector and maybe you have some LC2s. Projector/screen can be controled via IR or RS232. f you want to add curtain automation get a relay board 208. It can also be controled via the Lintronic triggered by one simple open/close contact in your BV7/9/BS3...
I have this cinema setup since years, and it works perfectly. There are 20 - 25 commands programmed to be executed by the cinema trigger. Timings are also done via the Lintronic box. If I remember correctly I have described the setup in the old (archived) forum.
!I`m not a dealer, installer or technician, just an end user.
Stefan
Correct. All new BVs are equipped with HDMI -matrix feature.
A 4x4 matrix got 4 inputs for sources like stb boxes, BR player, apple TV... and 4 outputs for maybe a BV7 in the mainroom, a BV10 in bedroom, a V! in a guestroom and a projector in the livingroom (mainroom).
That`s why I`m interested in the new H2H 44M Matrix. This one will be cheaper an simpler than the PRO3 (if you don`t need long cables).
But it seems, nobody can exactly explain, how IR works. Which product will control the sources? What will the main IR sockets in the matrix do?
I think a lot of people would get the H2H matrix if it will work in a Beo setup.
H2H 44M Matrix
can not be used because you can not control IR. from different rooms ,only in the room where the matrix is.
PS:You can use this product if you HAVE ALL TV and PROJECTORS in the same room.
For B&O can be used only matrix that send cat 5,6,7 cables in different rooms,who can send IR. back
allona matrix AT-HDPRO,AT-HDPRO2,AT-HDPRO3 4X4,6X6,8X8,16X16
stefan: beojeff: I find the challenge to be programming the timing of the electronic screen. I wish there were resources available for the end user to understand how to adjust the controls in the system menu to perfect the timing of the electronic screen, the blanking, and home automation options for screens and lighting. There are those mysterious sockets on the BeoSystem for home automation, but there is little information as to how to achieve this. I've found that there can be a huge range of knowledge and experience when it comes to B&O professional installers. All the cinema functions, settings, timings, output wirings are explained for BS3 based systems in their service manuals available here on Beoworld in the manual section for download. there is nothing mysterious about the home automation functions - all you need is a control device that is able to handle open/close contacts (that`s what the cinema sockets are) as a trigger and execute macros - get a Lintronic box. Ofcourse you will need a projector and a motorized screen. Now you can control your screen, projector and maybe you have some LC2s. Projector/screen can be controled via IR or RS232. f you want to add curtain automation get a relay board 208. It can also be controled via the Lintronic triggered by one simple open/close contact in your BV7/9/BS3... I have this cinema setup since years, and it works perfectly. There are 20 - 25 commands programmed to be executed by the cinema trigger. Timings are also done via the Lintronic box. If I remember correctly I have described the setup in the old (archived) forum. !I`m not a dealer, installer or technician, just an end user. Stefan
I think that's great that you were able to achieve a beoliving cinema setup on your own. However, much of your explanation still went beyond my understanding. I have the installation service manual and still find the explanations to be quite basic and short. Perhaps someday you might consider writing a detailed wiki for BeoWorld as a guide for the rest of us to benefit from your research.
if you have the manual, Installation Guide - BeoLiving
you can understand what is about.
is described in detail
beojeff: stefan: beojeff: I find the challenge to be programming the timing of the electronic screen. I wish there were resources available for the end user to understand how to adjust the controls in the system menu to perfect the timing of the electronic screen, the blanking, and home automation options for screens and lighting. There are those mysterious sockets on the BeoSystem for home automation, but there is little information as to how to achieve this. I've found that there can be a huge range of knowledge and experience when it comes to B&O professional installers. All the cinema functions, settings, timings, output wirings are explained for BS3 based systems in their service manuals available here on Beoworld in the manual section for download. there is nothing mysterious about the home automation functions - all you need is a control device that is able to handle open/close contacts (that`s what the cinema sockets are) as a trigger and execute macros - get a Lintronic box. Ofcourse you will need a projector and a motorized screen. Now you can control your screen, projector and maybe you have some LC2s. Projector/screen can be controled via IR or RS232. f you want to add curtain automation get a relay board 208. It can also be controled via the Lintronic triggered by one simple open/close contact in your BV7/9/BS3... I have this cinema setup since years, and it works perfectly. There are 20 - 25 commands programmed to be executed by the cinema trigger. Timings are also done via the Lintronic box. If I remember correctly I have described the setup in the old (archived) forum. !I`m not a dealer, installer or technician, just an end user. Stefan I think that's great that you were able to achieve a beoliving cinema setup on your own. However, much of your explanation still went beyond my understanding. I have the installation service manual and still find the explanations to be quite basic and short. Perhaps someday you might consider writing a detailed wiki for BeoWorld as a guide for the rest of us to benefit from your research.
I think a detailed wiki for a cinema setup would be quite useless, because setups are very individual and the products used for home cinema are different. But the most important device in my setup is the control device, Lintronic TT-455 RT238 box. You will find some explanations here:
http://www.lintronic.dk/AppNote_BeoSystem_RS232_IR.pdf
Most interesting info is from page 3 referring cinema mode and digital outputs on your BS3 based system.
Hope this helps.
claudiu : H2H 44M Matrix can not be used because you can not control IR. from different rooms ,only in the room where the matrix is. PS:You can use this product if you HAVE ALL TV and PROJECTORS in the same room. For B&O can be used only matrix that send cat 5,6,7 cables in different rooms,who can send IR. back allona matrix AT-HDPRO,AT-HDPRO2,AT-HDPRO3 4X4,6X6,8X8,16X16
Thanks again for your time. I know that the H2H-XXM can`t handle IR, although it has a "Matrix IR in" socket.
But I`m still unsure how the puc control for connected sources work in such a matrix setup.. Is there an IR matrix built into the PRO3 that is not available in the H2H..?
Where do you program the controling? Should be in your videomaster?
Are the "main" Matrix IR in and outs connected to anything...?
Should an HDMI cable plus a two-wire IR cable work instead of a CAT cable?
Sorry, but I can`t see that in your picture.
Tak igen.
Thanks for bringing this up, Stefan - I have been wondering about the exact same challenge.
Hopefuly Claudiu can shed some more light on this very important topic for some of us
Roger
try to explain how it works, will give an example of my matrix
I have a atlona 8x8 , 8 zones IN and 8 zones OUT . AV RACK in the attic
this means
can connect 8 products (AppleTV, PS3, stb ... etc) all 8 items connected with HDMI and B&o IRcable to the matrix.
from matrix 8 cat7 cables go to the 8 rooms(zone) bang olufsen tv
at the end of each cat7 cable connects a small atlona reserver
from small atlona reserver is connects HDMI cable and a special IR cable (PUC) to bang olufsen TV
in the menu B&O tv
1-enter the code to open the matrix menu (for each tv have to buy, specially code for matrix)
2-choose from the PUC list matrix that you you own
3-enter where you connected the HDMI cable and b&o IR cable
4-the nest menu -need to enter the 8 products you have connected to the matrix (Apple TV,ps3,stn..etc)
and each must be selected from the PUC list .
When you have done this with all 8 TV (rooms ,zone)
Now you can see and control all 8 products in all 8 rooms (B&O ir code for matrix is V.AUX2+product number connected to the matrix " ex. 1 Apple TV ,2 ps3, 3 stb...etc")
easily controlled from beo 6,
The new TVs "beosystem 4" allow you to decide for yourself which button you want to use for each product connected to the matrix.
You can call ex. ps3 for DVD, STB for tv,..etc And you not have to use the long command (V.AUX2+1,2,3)
This makes very easy to control with beo4
Sorry for my late reply, claudiu, but I had a nice holidaytime with very nice weather - jeg var på ferie i Danmark -
Thanks again for your detailed explanation! It made the whole thing a lot clearer - I hope....
As I understand it, you buy a licence key for every connected BV, select the matrix in BVs menu and you can add the pucs of all the devices that shall be controled.
The matrix detects through the ir cable coming from every room (Beovision) which output should be selected.
At the same time you can select which HDMI device you want to watch by pressing 1, 2, 3....8 in V.AUX2 mode.
@ Roger: please correct me, if I`m talking nonsense...
I think, this is a bit confusing as all your 3rd party devices that you has known as DVD, DTV, V.MEM... are now V.AUX2-1, V.AUX2-2....
Using a Beo6 macro will make it a lot easier...and the new BS4 makes it a lot easier as you can use the "real" names like DVD, DTV....
So the main difference using an Atlona matrix is that all the different ir codes of all the pucs will be sent via a single ir cable connected to your Beovision and one of the ir inputs of the matrix and second that picture and sound of all your connected peripheral devices are sent to one single HDMI input of your Beovision.
Big advantage against the "old" RF distribution is, that you will have HD quality on all your BVs, no quality losses, even with long cables (using HD BaseT) and a matrix setup is no master/slave system, means, that you can watch any source on any destination.
Disadvantage: You can`t use any internal source like the DVB modul or your BS5 (BM5) via the matrix, I assume, correct?
And this setup can also be used for a cinema setup, connecting one of the matrix outputs to a projector, am I right?
Sorry, all this is NO confirmed information. I have no personal experience with the Atlona matrix in my Beo setup.
I just had a bit spare time to read a bit about HDMI matrixes, studying user- and setup manuals, reading about IR/RS232 control...
As I know, that there are a lot of dealers/installers here on Beoworld , I hope, some of them or other members can add some more information....(?)
Thanks
Stefan, you are right on all points.
DVBC module can not be connected to the matrix., but I do not see why you should ,i have an external DVB-C connected to matrix, just because it has hard disk and can record two channels.
You can connect the BeoSound 5 to matrix, but is more complicated.
i have beomaster 5 built-in BeoVision 9 and use the B&O extender to beosound5 display (uses two cat 7 cabler and can even go up to 100 meters )
Projectors can be connected to the matrix but can not see dvb-c module built into the TV, and I ptreferat connect directly to the using atlona hdmi extender.
Next time when you come to Copenhagen, please give me an email and I will be very glad to offer you a tuborg
Excellent reading - thanks to both Stefan and claudiu for addressing this matter. Now, I have to start hunting for a reasonably priced matrix-box as my BV7mk2 will be replaced by the Avant as the video master - in order to keep using my cinema setup.
claudiu : ..... You can connect the BeoSound 5 to matrix, but is more complicated. i have beomaster 5 built-in BeoVision 9 and use the B&O extender to beosound5 display (uses two cat 7 cabler and can even go up to 100 meters ) ....
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Hej claudiu,
a very interesting point. I would like to hear more about your solution, because I thought, it wouldn`t work, because BS5 will be controled via ML.
claudiu : .... Next time when you come to Copenhagen, please give me an email and I will be very glad to offer you a tuborg
Tak for det !! Jeg elsker Tuborg !! And I`ll bring the second Tuborg...:))
When I was in Fanø for holidays we had their own island beer - Fanø Øl - very special....
I will surely come to Copenhagen - now there is one more reason - thanks!
Roger: Excellent reading - thanks to both Stefan and claudiu for addressing this matter. Now, I have to start hunting for a reasonably priced matrix-box as my BV7mk2 will be replaced by the Avant as the video master - in order to keep using my cinema setup. Roger
And that`s the point: a reasonably prized HDMI matrix. Most people don`t use more than four HDMI sources and will need them for TV in the livingroom and for cinema, means two destinations. So, a 4x2 matrix would do it. There are a lot of inexpensive units on the market, most of them controlable via IR, some also via RS232. If you have an MLGW, you could let the MLGW control the matrix via RS232 and your Beo setup via ML (or NL) creating a macro that switches input 1 to output 2 (projector) mutes picture on BV, turns the stand to audio position and activates SPEAKER5 mode. If you have lights connected let the cinema button dim them. All you need - oh, I forgot the popcorn machine.....
Second option would be to let the good old Lintronic box control the setup via macros.
You are planning to buy the new Avant, so it would make sense to get a matrix that can handle UHD. There are only few, and none from Atlona afaik.