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just like for the BV 11, and unlike for my BV 10, great equipment like the beosound/system 2300 / 3000 / 3200 and -I guess- also my good old Beogram 7000 turntable cannot be connected directly to the new Avant TV. The official answer is that the 675 Euro converter is needed....nice looking as it is, for me it would be just "a cable/connector".
but I can't imagine that's the only solution.... Any suggestions ??
(my base case would be. like I have now, Beogram connected to Beosystem 3000 via aux, and then Beosystem 3000 somehow connected to the (possibly my) new Avant.
thanks,Rene
Sorry, I don't understand Your problem. Any RCA (B&O DIN) based output can be connected easily to a SCART connector of any TV, which has this type of connector. You can simply purchase this cable in any store.
A turntable is different, as a regular turntable has a phono output, which is not compatible with the regulra RCA/DIN system. To connect a turntable to any RCA/DIN/SCART based system You need a preamplifier, a phono adapter. Of course, this cost more then a regular cable, however it's far cheaper then the price you mentioned.
well, my B&O dealer said Beosystem 2300/3000 is masterlink, and the new Avant (unlike BV-10) does not support this...A 675 Euro's converter would be needed....
ReneB: well, my B&O dealer said Beosystem 2300/3000 is masterlink, and the new Avant (unlike BV-10) does not support this...A 675 Euro's converter would be needed....
The suggestion was to use a direct audio connection - assuming the two units were close by. You would then hear the LPs through your BV's speakers. However the new AVANT (just announced) does not have a SCART so you would lack the ability to exercise control. It does however have this:
AV IN
For connection of analogue video or audio equipment. Different adaptors are needed. Adaptors are available from your Bang & Olufsen retailer.
If you want more sources than the BG from your Beosystem, or if you want some forms of control, then you will need the conversion box.
I believe only some of the older Beosounds/Beosystems will be recognised across this link, by the AVANT, but as yet I have not seen a list.
BeoNut since '75
Apologies if I still don't fully understand. Do you mean an adapter for the Powerlink of the BS3000 on the one end and an old fashioned RCA jack into the "mini AV input" of the Avant ?
something like this ??
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Powerlink-to-Amplifier-RCA-Cable-for-B-O-Bang-Olufsen-/120380369981?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Compact_Shelf_Stereos&hash=item1c073aac3d
btw: the converter the B&O dealer said I would need in order to connect the BS3000 to the new Avant is the T1790 NL-ML converter.
You need the connector if you are going to control the sources by remote. To be honest, I am sure there is a work around as the BS3000 can be worked independently and maybe using option 4 would allow you to control both systems with the same remote and allow integration in the same room. The problem would be if you wish to control it in a link room. Then you need the converter.
Peter
ReneB: btw: the converter the B&O dealer said I would need in order to connect the BS3000 to the new Avant is the T1790 NL-ML converter.
Yes, but it allows you to integrate your BS3000 into the system as part of it and it brings absolute value in a link setup, which means using one remote control, easy of use choosing cdtracks, etc... You will get also an additional AUX entry equipped with rca on the converter. It's all about easy of use, as is B&O.
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
Thanks! No I don't need integration in another room: just a "simple" connection, replacing the current ML cable. So if indeed it can be connected via the powerlink-to-RCA adapter I'm fine, as long as I can still use (one of my 3) Beo4's to operate the BS3000 :-)
So am I correct in concluding that the 650 euro added value of the NL-ML converter over the Powerlink-RCA adapter is the ability for multi-room integration ???
thanks again!
Rene
btw: I'm using the AUX of the BS3000 for all other analogue input, like Beogram 7000 (I have an RCA switch in between), so connecting the Beogram to the Avant is no issue once the BS3000 is connected via its Powerlink or Masterlink output.
ReneB: So am I correct in concluding that the 650 euro added value of the NL-ML converter over the Powerlink-RCA adapter is the ability for multi-room integration ???
The ML/NL converter is designed to let older systems (masterlink) work with the new (networklink) systems. Without losing any comfort. So it is of great value particular for owners who are having some masterlink equipment placed around the house.
Is it in your case overkill? Yes if you would only use/have the BS3000 to play on Avant speakers
ReneB: ... btw: I'm using the AUX of the BS3000 for all other analogue input, like Beogram 7000 (I have an RCA switch in between), so connecting the Beogram to the Avant is no issue once the BS3000 is connected via its Powerlink or Masterlink output.
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If you use an adaptor DIN to 4*RCA you have the input from your analog sources by the RCA switch and also a fixed level output to connect to your new avant via the analog input (or the camcorder input) and still have the powerlink connectors of the BS3000 free for Beolabs.
The fixed output level gives you the better result if you connect the BS3000 to your Avant, because there would be only one point which controls the volume of the Avant loudspeakers and this is the Avant itself. Using the powerlink connectors gives you 'only' a variable level output which can give trouble of convenience
Hope this helps
Ralph-Marcus
Ralph-Marcus,
thanks for that suggestion, which I'm not sure I fully understand. The part I do understand is connecting all that is now (via the switch) on the AUX-in of the BS3000 in the new set-up directly to the Avant.
the part I'm confused about is the connection BS3000 --> Avant in your suggested configuration. I read this as that none of the Powerlink sockets of the BS3000 are used to connect the two, which then would only leave the freed-up AUX socket of the BS3000 for this ??? but I thought this is just an input socket...So keen to understand your suggestion better ! (clearly I'm not a techie, so bear with me :-) )ps: I don't need the PL sockets of the BS3000 for the Beolab's as obviously these will all be connected to the Avant, but you suggested another advantage of not using the Powerlink sockets
Hi Rene,
the AUX Port of the BS300 is not only an input but also an output. You could connect an 'old fashioned' cassette Tape recorder via the AUX port and record a CD to the cassette. Every signal that will be played by the BS3000 is sent with a fixed level to the two 'output' pins of the AUX port. That's the trick
Therefor you need a 4xRCA to DIN adapter to 'split' the AUX port. the two 'input' lines are connected to your RCA switch and the two 'output' lines will be connected to your Avant via an adapter RCA to the analog input.
Thanks ! This is so much easier and better indeed. Almost rethorically: Why didn't the dealer mention that ? :-)
regards, Renestill balancing the pro's and cons of the Avant itself, if it would have been a 65" for that price it would almost have been no brainer (almost...).
hello again Ralph-Marcus,with the big price cut of the BV-11 I decided to buy that one. Rereading your answer some months ago I'm wondering whether "my" solution below would not work just as good as yours:
1) with a simple RCA-DIN adapter (rather than a 4xRCA-DIN) the AUX output of the 2300 (or 3000 for that matter) is connected to the RCA switch (I have all that already). The 2300 is only a source now and just one of the analogue inputs to the RCA switch (another input being the Beogram 7000).2) the "out" of the RCA switch goes into the BV-11 analogue input (again via an normal RCA-DIN adapter)
btw: I assume here there is no difference in that sense between the new Avant and a new BV-11...
thanks, again, Rene
just wondering how you 'manage'/'control' the sources on the 2300?
Via Beo4 or directly on the device?
Of cource you will have to open the analog port on the BV11 too - how is that assigned to the Beo4/which button do you use?
Is that really a workable solution for everyday life?
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
well, in my mind the only "source" of the 2300 is the CD function (no need nowadays for analogue radio), and all other sources currently going into the AUX of the 2300 will then go directly to the BV11 (again via the RCA switch).
btw: I am *planning* to buy the BV11 (30% price cut recently), so my post is intended to have it confirmed that the last two solutions would both work in practice. The way I'll use my 2300 would be putting in a new CD in the 2300 and switch the TV to the analogue source. I can see that controlling both the BV11 and fully managing the 2300 with a (single) Beo4 would be an issue, but I probably only will use volume control, and that wouldn't be an issue. So for me it would work.
I now also (stupid me) see why the 4xRCA-DIN option would be better indeed: 2300 still being *fully* controlled with a Beo4 via the BV11 in that case (?) -could switch to radio if desired-, whereas in my simpler output-only solution control would be limited to e.g. volume indeed.
thanks for thinking along! Rene
Reading your initial post, I understand, that you mainly want to be able to use two external sources (CD and BeoGram) with the new Avant. Is that correct?
If so, you could connect the BeoGram via an adapter to the AV-port of the Avant. Give it a name in the (Avant) setup menu - and open the port with the remote, when you want to use it. Of course you will have to start/pause the BeoGram manually. But that - I guess - will be no big deal.
For playing CD's buy/use one of the standalone B&O CD players. Even a vintage one like the CDX would do the job (or a BeoGram CD7000) as long as it has a digital output. Connect the digital output to the digital input port of the Avant, give it a name in the menu in order to be able to open the port via the remote. Starting the player manually - i guess - won't be a big deal there either, since you probably will listen to a complete CD. (Skipping tracks/pausing however will be possible - again manually).
All volumen control will be made through the Avant - you could even make different sound settings for each source, if you like.
That is how I would do it, if I had only one room with all 'gear' in one place.
P.S. the same goes for a BV11 or a V1.
P.P.S. If you have a connected bluray player, you wont really need the CD player.
The BRP will play CD's just fine - you could even control the playback with your remote, if the BRP is PUC controlled.
We really like our 2300 and want to keep it, and just keeping it unconnected doesn't feel good :-).
but, thanks for creative thinking!Reneps: I got all my CD's ripped losslessly on my iMac and virtually always play music via Apple TV connected to BV10/BL5/BL3; so it's really about connecting the 2300 (and Beogram+old tape deck), be it just for once a month or indeed it feels bad having the 2300 unconnected for show :-).
Just another (stupid?) thought?
The B&O recommended full blown solution was to buy a new NL/ML converterT 1790.
How about getting an old, and much cheaper, beolink converter 1611 Masterlink/Powerlink converter? would that work (somehow) ??????
thanks, Rene
@Rene
No!