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Hi, I have a Lintronic -238 (software 5.1), and I would like to connect a IR eye to it. I have a complete MCL system, so I do not want to add a 'modern' round eye (TT-IR-8087030) to my setup.
I already have a VX sensor with 3,5mm plug, and going through all the old forum posts tells me it should work with Lintronic, just as it works with PC2. However, when I connect it to Lintronic, the light blinks on the VX sensor when I press the beo4, but the commands are not transferred to the -238 (the led on the -238 does not respond).
- Can someone confirm that the PC2 and the Lintronic work with the VX sensor, and that the VX sensor and the TT-IR-8087030 have the same plug and wiring?
- How do I check if my sensor works? It seems to be with the original plug, but perhaps I should check if it is still in one piece.
- Do I need to "program" it to an option? (I would think not, but I read something like this in old post when someone tried to successfully repurpose a MCL receiver to work with Beolink Passive).
Thanks in advance.
Beosound 5 Encore + Beosystem 5500 + S45.2; BV7-40 MKV + BL7.1 + BL14.4+ AppleTV4; various link rooms with MCL2 A or MCL2 A/V + RL60.2 / CX100 / CX50 & Cona / IWS2000; BG4000; Beosystem 1200 + BV1600.
Hi MJBeo,
I once used a MCL Sensor with the Lintronic box. It worked but had limited sources it could decode. So I do not use it anymore.
here the sensor....
hfat
and here is the soldering of the plug....
Hi,
the VX Sensor is just an IR receiver and should work like the round B&O sensor. The VX sensor can't be programmed to an option. I have a VX sensor connected to a BeoMedia 1 which works fine.
If your VX blinks when receiving IR commands it shows that at least 2 of the 3 wires are connected in the right way. So the third has to be correct too, there's no other possibility
Maybe the wire carrying the received data is broken or the solder joint at the plug is broken. Also make sure that the plug is firmly pushed into the jack at the Lintronic box.
Ralph-Marcus
Hi hfat,
Thanks for the pics. What were the limitations?
cheers
RaMaBo: The VX sensor can't be programmed to an option.
The VX sensor can't be programmed to an option.
Thanks for the info. However, when I use LINK-2-STORE, the VX sensor LED gives a "long" blink, as if it understands my intentions ;-). This does not work with SOUND-2-STORE e.g., so from that behavior I thought it was working... Can it be that it is not a VX sensor after all, but just looks like one??
I will try soldering the plug again, or hooking it up to a different unit, e.g. beoport.
MJBeo: Thanks for the info. However, when I use LINK-2-STORE, the VX sensor LED gives a "long" blink, as if it understands my intentions ;-). This does not work with SOUND-2-STORE e.g., so from that behavior I thought it was working... Can it be that it is not a VX sensor after all, but just looks like one??
If your sensor looks like the first pic from hfat you have a MCL Transmitter, which could be programmed. There are the words TIMER and MUTE printed on the front.
If your VX sensor looks like this pic from beocentral it is a VX sensor..
I'll try the reaction of my VX sensor tonight and report whether it reacts to a 'LINK 2 STORE' or not.
MJBeo: Hi hfat, Thanks for the pics. What were the limitations? cheers
I don't remember exactly, which ones, but i some source commands I wanted to use were not recognized.
So yesterday I tried my VX sensor on a Beolink PC2, after I checked the wiring. Everything works fine, so I it can mean that I need to solder a new 3,5 mm plug on the sensor, since the original one looks ancient. Or I can use a MCL transceiver (thanks for the wiring!), or my Lintronic IR-port has gone south.
Thanks for your help!
RaMaBo: I'll try the reaction of my VX sensor tonight and report whether it reacts to a 'LINK 2 STORE' or not.
Tried 'LINK x STORE' with x running from 1 to 6. Every time the VX sensor connected to BeoMedia 1 reacted like you wrote, a long blinking in contrast to a short one for 'PLAY' ( =GO on Beo4) for example.
hfat: and here is the soldering of the plug....
Sorry for bothering in this old thread but I have not yet been able to solve the problem of the soldering, to enable the use of a VX sensor or MCL transceiver on Lintronic. For the background information: I found out that the VX sensor and the MCL transceiver are almost identical inside, with the difference that the VX sensor only has three wires, and the MCL transceiver has 5 (also 2 for 2-way communication).
The problem that I have is the following:
When I connect the green (5V) and the brown (ground) to the 3,5 mm input plug, there is indeed power going towards the transceiver/sensor. That means that the light blinks when I press a command on the beo4. In the attached picture you can see that I have this connected, and the power is continuously on, as indicated by the LED on the breadboard. The same is true for the MCL transceiver. So far so good. However, connecting the white "data" line to the last left plug on the 3,5 plug does not result in any commandos being transferred to the Lintronic.
I know that my lintronic is capable of receiving commands from the input, because I connected it to the V.MEM start of the BV7 (Pin 8 for data, Pin 21 for ground), which worked fine. I also connected the data and ground wires directly from the MCL, and that worked also fine (for Audio commands only of course).
So, maybe I do not understand the electronics properly, but why is the ground + data not enough for the signal to be transferred?
Or is there a difference between the wiring of the round, 5-pin IR eye and the old MCL eye in terms of wiring?
If any of you have an idea, or a link to a previous attempt ;-). Thanks!
MJBeo:That means that the light blinks when I press a command on the beo4. In the attached picture you can see that I have this connected, and the power is continuously on, as indicated by the LED on the breadboard.
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what makes me wonder is that your LED is still working when it's connected as you wrote: LED between ground and 5V and no current limiting resistor in series with the LED.
The pinout of the Lintronic IR Input is as follows:
This is the same pinout as the second pic of hfat he posted before and also the pinout of my VX-Sensor.
If you connect the white wire to the 3,5 mm connector and don't receive a signal at your Lintronic Box maybe the white cable is damaged or not properly connected in the VX Sensor?
Ground and data is enough to transmit the signal to the Lintronic box as long as you supply also Ground and +5V to the VX Sensor. With your breadboard you proved at least that the VX Sensor gets power and can react to received signals. So i would recommend that you check the continouity of the white wire.
RaMaBo:Ground and data is enough to transmit the signal to the Lintronic box as long as you supply also Ground and +5V to the VX Sensor.
Hi RaMaBo,
Is the ground for the data signal in that case the same as the ground for the 5V? Because I only have three wires, and only three pins on the Jack.
I also tried connecting the 5 pin Sensor from my BM5500, which has green, white, brown and a shield. I connected the brown and the shield, but nothing seems to work. Thus so far I have tested VX sensor, BM sensor and two MCL transceivers. But I also dove into this forum's history and found several posts that state that the internal electronics of a MCL transceiver are not the same as a modern puck eye. Is that the problem here?
RaMaBo:what makes me wonder is that your LED is still working when it's connected as you wrote: LED between ground and 5V and no current limiting resistor in series with the LED.
Even if I do not connect anything to the input jack of the intronic, the LED will continuously work. So there is constant output voltage. I did see that the LED's brightness decreased when I connected the B sensor in parallel with the LED.
MJBeo: RaMaBo:what makes me wonder is that your LED is still working when it's connected as you wrote: LED between ground and 5V and no current limiting resistor in series with the LED. Even if I do not connect anything to the input jack of the intronic, the LED will continuously work. So there is constant output voltage. I did see that the LED's brightness decreased when I connected the B sensor in parallel with the LED.
What RaMaBo means is that he (and I) is suprised that the LED hasn't already burned (in the sense of blowing up) because you are feeding it power with no series resistor at all!
Therefore I believe that the +5V output of the Lintronic IR eye line is limited/protected internally (which is sensible), and thus the LED pulls the voltage down, and if you have had the LED there all the time, I suspect your VX sensor has never received the full +5V supply. Remove the LED, use a multimeter if you suspect there's no voltage...
--mika
MJBeo: ...Thus so far I have tested VX sensor, BM sensor and two MCL transceivers. But I also dove into this forum's history and found several posts that state that the internal electronics of a MCL transceiver are not the same as a modern puck eye. Is that the problem here?
...Thus so far I have tested VX sensor, BM sensor and two MCL transceivers. But I also dove into this forum's history and found several posts that state that the internal electronics of a MCL transceiver are not the same as a modern puck eye. Is that the problem here?
Hi MJBeo, and the others trying to help out.
Did you ever get around to fix the issue? I have a LIN-433 converter from Lintronic which from the Beo IR input is the same as yours. I can’t get it to work with the MCL IR receiver. The led on the MCL blinks as if it is receiving but no codes are captured by the LIN.
I have tried the exact same wiring with a receiver which I salvaged from a Beovision LX2802 and it works flawlessly. So is there something additional in terms of resistors or caps that needs to be added to make the MCL work with Lintronic?
On a side note, when I pulled out the 3,5mm plug from the box with the MCL receiver connected I got two codes received. I can repeat that by connecting, pressing a button on the Beo4 and pulling the plug slowly.
Hope someone can point me in the right direction
Best Regards
Goran
BeoLignage:Did you ever get around to fix the issue? I have a LIN-433 converter from Lintronic which from the Beo IR input is the same as yours. I can’t get it to work with the MCL IR receiver. The led on the MCL blinks as if it is receiving but no codes are captured by the LIN.
I did not, but I got the Vishay-TSOP7000 from a fellow Beoworlder to make it work. I hate to say that I actually have not had time to test that solution, but perhaps in the next months...
BeoLignage:I have tried the exact same wiring with a receiver which I salvaged from a Beovision LX2802 and it works flawlessly. So is there something additional in terms of resistors or caps that needs to be added to make the MCL work with Lintronic?
Can you share photos and wiring of that? I might want to try that too for a raspberry pi unit.
I can recognize that feeling, the LIN-433 has been un-used for years now…
What would be the reason to use something else than a TSOP7000 for the Raspberry project? If you have one that is, not too easy to get hold of.
Below some pictures of the IR receiver from the LX2802 which was originally used in an Arduino project.
There’s a separate thread on that project, and there you also get the pin out and some other information on the topic.
http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/8970.aspx?PageIndex=1
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Well I use my -238 every day, but I wanted to use the TSOP7000 to be able to use it both with external input (from MCL network), and directly aiming the remote to it. So hence the reason for the TSOP7000
BeoLignage:What would be the reason to use something else than a TSOP7000 for the Raspberry project? If you have one that is, not too easy to get hold of.
I only have one, and the raspberry pi might be located in a different room (Kodi in a link room). Thanks for the link