Link option programming

Greetings

My company was hired to revamp an older home system (2008). The home has a very elaborate B&O Setup throughout. We are experiencing control issues between zones. i.e. Turn on BeoSound 9000 located in Great Room (Paired with Beolab5s) and the Theatre's rear Beolab5s turn on. Volume up in great room turns on rear deck Beolink amp. Etc etc etc. I believe the issues are all related to option programming and this is where I'm having difficulty. I attempted to set these but I just can't get it right. The goal is to have all the equipment (zones) controlled independently of one another but to all share the BeoSound9000 because this is where audio input from the AV receiver is coming in. Everything (each zone) has it's own IR flasher for a third party control system.

 

What do I need to sent the V/L/A Options to in each zone to accomplish this? 

 

Rough breakdown of what's there - all connected together via ML Distributors (4 I have found so far)

*Please forgive me if I get some part numbers wrong

HI JF 

could you confirm if this is only an issue when using the RTI remotes? 

(Make sure the Beo4 doesn't hit multiple IR targets when testing, it's quite powerful and will bounce off walls)

i've seen this many times before with control systems using IR for control, if it only happens when you are using the RTI system, then you are having IR interference issues where the IR from one wire gets modulated and transmitted via RF to the other wires, there are different ways to solve it

1) use the ML gateway or better yet the latest released BeoLink gateway for control (one rs232 wire or IP to the RTI system)

2) add the B&O IR interface boxes originally designed for Crestron back in 2002 (still available from B&O) then hardwire the IR connection and turn off modulation on the RTI IR output (this only works with B&O products that has a external IR input like the TV's and ML active and....., but not the BS9000 if controlled directly)

3) limit the transmission power out of the RTI by either adding a resistor in series with the IR flasher or turn down the current on the RTI processor (some RTI processors have this adjustment) Next up is to break the receive antenna by grounding the negative side of the IR flasher to the shield of the product the IR flasher is controlling as close to the IR flasher it self (2' is fine) note if you take this approach you'll have to test your system in broad daylight and complete darkness to ensure your fix works in both IR receiver AGC outer modes (the B&O IR receivers have automatic sensitivity gain adjustments)

 

Any of those 3 items will fix the problem for you, assuming I'm guessing right that it's only a problem when using he RTI 

 

HHH

Thank you for your prompt response. It isn't just happening with the RTI system. It also happens with just powering on certain devices. It looks like the previous company did most of what you mentioned from an IR perspective, the IRs going to the silver discus controllers have all been grounded and have had resistors installed. These were butt connected so we re-soldered the ones using the older flashers and replaced others with Virsa mouse IRs. I adjusted the gain in a couple locations because the commands wouldn't execute properly until it was turned up, for example the volume would go up but not down (strange) I'm somewhat aware of the IR sensitivity and unique carrier frequency of B&O and although I think originally this was part of the issue we have combed through the installation and routed the IR commands properly In programming I feel like the option programming is the remaining issue. Some of the devices that turn on are in completely different floors of the home or inside vs outside. 

JF

 

If you want to control that system via Beo remotes (Beo4,5,6) these option settings may be useful:

 

BL3500 (? link-speaker) L.OPT 5 (for audio)

Beolink Amps AND BL8000 ? a bit too many active devices...(?!) BL-active L.OPT 5 (for audio)

Stefan

Thank you for the insight. I would love for there to be a MLGW in the system but I don't think that's the case. Instead the previous company elected to install 10 RTI PROCESSORS!!! Very poor system design to say the least. Each zone is getting control via IR behind the discus or on the TV etc. I would love to add a gateway to the system but I don't know if we will have the ability to do so. The client is planning to put the house on the market soon. 

 

The additional Blinks in the cabana are for outdoor speakers etc. I will try the programming you suggested and see where that gets us! Thanks again

 

JF

Most of the issues have been resolved with regards to the following:

Cannot get BS9000 audio to play in Theatre (BS3)

Turning off Theatre powers off BS9000, Great Room BL5 and rear deck BL amp.

Cant get Master Bedroom BL8K to source to local input (PC?) of active amp (used to work, gym works fine with same amp) I think this must be related to option programming since it did work/now doesn't and gym works fine and I didn't change option programming in there.

Cant get bathroom BV 10-46 and BL9 to play BS9000 sources (only care about A.Tape)

Also, does it take a little while for the system to recognize the V/L/A option changes? Lastly, the strangest thing is I can complete RTI programming in one room (working fine) and move to another, change to recommended option settings and program that room then the other room loses some control.

i.e. after programming upstairs Master Suite the Theatre will no longer source to DVD. Works on the Beo4 remote just not on the RTI, codes worked perfectly before, other commands are executing from RTI. This is really weird to me but may not be related to B&O side.

 

Any additional help would be greatly appreciated!

 

JF

Most of the issues have been resolved with regards to the following:

Cannot get BS9000 audio to play in Theatre (BS3)

 

As said before you can access audio sources like BS9000 via AV - CD, AV - RADIO.....(maybe you have to add AV command to Beo4 list).

2nd option is to set the BS3 to V.OPT 2 (if it is the only IR eye in that room). Now you will be able to control BS9000 by C, RADIO, A.AUX...buttons.

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Turning off Theatre powers off BS9000, Great Room BL5 and rear deck BL amp.

 

A short press on standby button should only power off your BS3 (if it is the only device that receives the command), a long press should power down the whole system - maybe this is the problem...?

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Cant get Master Bedroom BL8K to source to local input (PC?) of active amp (used to work, gym works fine with same amp) I think this must be related to option programming since it did work/now doesn't and gym works fine and I didn't change option programming in there.

 

BL active is set to L.OPT 5 (only audio). PC is a video command. Change L.OPT to 6.

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Cant get bathroom BV 10-46 and BL9 to play BS9000 sources (only care about A.Tape)

 

BV10 set to V.OPT 6? should respond to all audio commands (CD, RADIO, A.AUX, A.MEM...) BTW: Are you sure it`s a BV10?

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Also, does it take a little while for the system to recognize the V/L/A option changes? Lastly, the strangest thing is I can complete RTI programming in one room (working fine) and move to another, change to recommended option settings and program that room then the other room loses some control.

Yes. It is also recommended to disconnect the whole system from the mains for some minutes and reconnect all devices with audio- and videomaster being the last ones (BS9000 - BS3).

When you execute option settings the standby led should flash twice as confirmation. A Beolink setup is always a master/slave structure. You can access main room devices from linkrooms, but you can`t control/watch/listen to sources placed in link rooms (local sources) in the main room.

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i.e. after programming upstairs Master Suite the Theatre will no longer source to DVD. Works on the Beo4 remote just not on the RTI, codes worked perfectly before, other commands are executing from RTI. This is really weird to me but may not be related to B&O side.

What is the master suite? Doesn`t appear in your room list above....(?)

Stefan

 

 

Stefan

 

Thank you again for the additional information and help, greatly appreciated! We will be back onsite next week and I will test these options.

 

JF