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BeoBoy68: [Wood prototype]
I would really love that the Moment enables to create Speaker Groups, like a Beovision but in an audio only setup (I am an audio only guy, I don't need/want a Beovision, but I need Speaker Groups to accommodate several listening positions).
If it does that (and the genre>artist>album library browsing sequence), I will buy immediately.
Barry Santini: Genre is fuzzy.
Genre is fuzzy.
Only if you are lazy. Manual retagging requires a bit of discipline (especially for classical music) but is very much worth it when you are serious about library management.
Barry Santini: Go out and enjoy.
Go out and enjoy.
Doing so already with a non-B&O music server and Beolab speaker Love my setup, but would not disregard a full B&O setup if it can do the same.
BeoGreg:Appart for a lumberjack who would make a music system prototype out of wood ? I think this is just the real thing on a bad picture. It's supposed to have a wood part, it as.
I think this is just the real thing on a bad picture. It's supposed to have a wood part, it as.
BeoGreg: BeoBoy68: [Wood prototype] Appart for a lumberjack who would make a music system prototype out of wood ? I think this is just the real thing on a bad picture. It's supposed to have a wood part, it as.
[Wood prototype]
Appart for a lumberjack who would make a music system prototype out of wood ?
If I remember my visit to the R&D department in Struer correctly there were quite a few pre-prototypes in different materials like wood, clay, metal ...
And once upon a time quite a few things made by B&O had wooden surfaces ...
And a friend of a friend of mine told him that there still wood is used beside other materials in modern A/V products (not only steampunk)
SCNR
I think a touch of wood is very cool.
Mixing materials is often a good combination.
For exemple, i find the BeoLab 18 wood Lamellas amazing !
Steph: Roger said : " they have kept the wood that can be touched in the same way "
Roger said :
" they have kept the wood that can be touched in the same way "
Roger is very close....
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
Did anybody notice this beophile statement?
http://beophile.com/?p=22308
No pictures, but a few helpful words ...
Interesting but every report and story concludes 'software problems'. B&O have never been able to rectify software problems with their TVs according to this forum, how on earth will they be able to make this Moment work? I think that this will end in tears for many customers and they majority know this in their hearts! Software is NOT B&O's strong points.
But, it's going to be an interesting forum read for next year.
Streaming from an Apple TV to a BV to loudspeakers seems a lot more reliable!
Steph: I think a touch of wood is very cool. Mixing materials is often a good combination. For exemple, i find the BeoLab 18 wood Lamellas amazing !
That's good for a new product and matches the speakers, but my living room is pretty devoid of wood except for the coffee table and on a couple of chairs, minimally. All the AV equipment is black and metal, combo of Panasonic and B&O so wood wouldn't match well unless it was black.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Peter the Biker:Did anybody notice this beophile statement? http://beophile.com/?p=22308 No pictures, but a few helpful words ... wireless streaming to the new wireless WiSA BeoLab speakers Internet radio MOTS cable/wireless/Netlink integration with Deezer Peter the biker
Right Jeff,
But may be wood will be an option, or we could choose between different finishes like the Essence table stand.
Steph: But may be wood will be an option, or we could choose between different finishes.
can it handle the 24/96 files without downscaling?
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
I'll have to start a new thread then - the 'woodthread'
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
David Andel:This whole BeoSound Moment waiting period is getting more and more frustrating. When I bought my first B&O product (two BeoLab 5) in 2006, it was the perfect mix of design and technology – there wasn’t anything better neither optically nor acoustically as it digitally connected to my Macintosh with a huge collection of lossless sound files and also perfectly integrated with the kind of interior design I prefer. I also remember when B&O told their customers in the "BeoLounge" that they’re very much attached to the Bauhaus design. This now seems to have changed and B&O is following the Scandinavian variation, I never could attach to. And while I waited endlessly for a product with a scrolling wheel like the BeoSound 5 had but mainly used as a remote (volume and selection) control for my already existing collection, it never came. It also remains a mystery to me why B&O were (are?) still preferring the analogue output over the SP/DIF connection and the BeoLab 5 will even be replaced by another product before they launched a really integrated sound system using digital standards only. I miss the possibility of a manual volume control for my BeoLab 5 which could have been something like an iPad with a B&O made application and a beautiful made mechanical aluminium scrolling wheel. The BeoSound Essence could have been close but then again has no digital output. And now this wooden coffin with most probably everything integrated but some form of mechanical control …
...... or a LINN, or a KRELL, or a Burmester, or a .............
I wanna have a B&O: in the normal case they have a wonderful design, are easy to use, their Sound is upper class and they are more or less affordable.......
BeoBoy68:I understand your needs. Please see. Devialet audio.
Please see. Devialet audio.
Many thanks. Somebody mentioned this here already a while ago and I took a look then. What drives me crazy in cases like the Devialet is the complete lack of real B&O integration while it has features I just do not need (e. g. the integrated amp). It remains mysterious why the BeoLab 5 never got any useful accessories on the interface level. It has everything integrated it needs (digital amps, digital signal processors, digital volume handling etc.) but then they gave you the more than spartan Beo 4 to control the beast if you did not want to go the classic BeoSound way with all its non existent connectivity to the modern world.
Brigantinus: ...... or a LINN, or a KRELL, or a Burmester, or a ............. I wanna have a B&O: in the normal case they have a wonderful design, are easy to use, their Sound is upper class and they are more or less affordable.......
Same here. The BeoSound Moment might be the last chance a non-traditonal B&O customer gives them. It was such a challenge over the years to stay loyal to B&O which has been mainly positively influenced by their impeccable David Lewis design approach and build quality, while I really hated them for things like the Beo5 or Beo6 which I officially couldn’t even configure myself (have they realized in Struer that the technological world changes nearly permanently and did they truly imagine customers going to their dealer every week?). So if the BeoSound Moment is the missing link between an iTunes or whatever already existing music collection and if it lets the user finally digitally connect the easy way to it while it also serves as a more sensitive approach to control the volume level of their actual and future speaker range it will be the most welcome addition for at least some of us waiting for nearly a decade now. The BeoSound Moment needs as least SP/DIF input and output and intelligent solutions in the application area to obtain a high level of sophistication but it most certainly should not reinvent the wheel like the BeoSound 5 tried without success.
David Andel: .... but then they gave you the more than spartan Beo 4 to control the beast if you did not want to go the classic BeoSound way with all its non existent connectivity to the modern world.
.... but then they gave you the more than spartan Beo 4 to control the beast if you did not want to go the classic BeoSound way with all its non existent connectivity to the modern world.
What do you want to control by a BL5 - except for the volumen?
I guess those, who don't use (or want to use) the classic BeoSound, feed the BL5's with a digital signal from a computer, a CD transport or from some kind of media player.
This source is, what you control - not the speakers.
Millemissen: What do you want to control by a BL5 - except for the volumen?
Various sources for example. If I understand correctly, in the world of B&O all this is done by a television set. This I just never considered as efficient approach – except for videos.
I guess those, who don't use (or want to use) the classic BeoSound, feed the BL5's with a digital signal from a computer, a CD transport or from some kind of media player. This source is, what you control - not the speakers.
And there comes the BeoSound Moment or whatsoever. It could serve as a link between your already existing sources and the digital active speaker, wireless or not. If you control the volume digitally via your source you’re automatically sacrificing parts of the resolution (and it’s everything else than elegant).
@Chris
With a modern audiosystem (like the BS Moment is aupposed to be) the user should be able to pick the music streaming service of his own choice.
Not the company, but the costumer, has to decide with whom (which service) he makes a contract for music listening.
Imagine a cd player that could only be used with cd's from Sony
Or a bluray player that will only play titles from Warner Bros.
@David Andel
Means that I am correct by saying that you don't control the BL5!
Which source (with or without a preamp) you use, is up to you - of course.
The BL5 can be directly connected through the spdif to a source with spdif out.
There is no absolute need for an external preamp with these - you can control the volumen directly with the Beo4.
If you choose to control the volumen externally (in the digital domain), that is your own choice - but you don't need to.
The BL5 - and all other BL's - were built to be connected to the preamp in the BV's (or in the BeoSound's) using PowerLink connections.
That is the way most people use them.
They are used equally for sound from a music/stereo source as for a video/stereo or multichannel source, and therefore need the preamp/source switching function of the BV/BS.
I can't imagine, that a BS Moment should work in a different way - the speakers being connected digitally or not.
Chris Townsend:I agree, which is exactly what I do with my mini iPad via Airplay. Spotify/Tidal/ITunes/Tunein radio etc
That is why I use to say, that the Playmaker was the best B&O bargain, I made for years.
I wonder if the BS Moment can beat the iPad/Airplay combo.
And if - in which way?
That is still not clear.
Being a fancy 'wood and glass box' is not enough for me.
Since the stand alone BeoSystem 4 does not have Wisa, I hope the Moment will be able to act as a transmitter while my wired speakers are still connected to the Beosystem 4. I almost pulled the trigger on a wisa transmitter but in the end i decided to wait and see.
I will take delivery of a pair of BL18 any day now but I will wire them while waiting for the Moment.
If the Moment is NL-enabled, it should be possible to 'connect' it to a BSys4 and use the BS Moment sources (whatever they might be) as shared sources - even if there are no speakers connected directly to the Moment.
Please notice, that I wrote 'if'.
Still waiting for confirmation from 'those who know more'.
Millemissen: @David Andel Means that I am correct by saying that you don't control the BL5! Which source (with or without a preamp) you use, is up to you - of course. The BL5 can be directly connected through the spdif to a source with spdif out. There is no absolute need for an external preamp with these - you can control the volumen directly with the Beo4. If you choose to control the volumen externally (in the digital domain), that is your own choice - but you don't need to. The BL5 - and all other BL's - were built to be connected to the preamp in the BV's (or in the BeoSound's) using PowerLink connections.
Well, yes. And controlling the BeoLab 5 using a TV set seems everything but intelligent (if not stupid). That’s the reason I’d prefer the BeoSound way, just that there wasn’t one tempting enough until now.
If it is of any interest to you, I currently use my own remote control solution with my own graphical user interface on our iOS devices, mostly just copying the infrared codes (except for the more recent Hues which have been thankfully integrated by the app developer). This very individual user interface is permitting us the integration of our old LC2 dimmers as well as some Philips Hues and of course the BeoLab 5 and all the other non-B&O equipment.
So the BeoSound Moment could be just what I’m waiting for as until now no B&O solution was entirely convincing. The device should absolutely have a SP/DIF output as otherwise the sound quality would suffer without justification. And of course it should not again be its own music storing system but a client solution as we all are already using our NAS or iTunes or whatsoever server.
They should be connected digitally, otherwise I’m asking myself in which century B&O is living. I’m still puzzled by the fact that the Essence comes with an analogue output only and its predecessor Playmaker was made out of IKEA-like plastic using the outdated wireless 802.11 b/g standard.
What is wrong with the analog (PowerLink) output?
And what is wrong with wireless b/g for streaming music?
Millemissen:That is why I use to say, that the Playmaker was the best B&O bargain, I made for years. I wonder if the BS Moment can beat the iPad/Airplay combo. And if - in which way? That is still not clear. Being a fancy 'wood and glass box' is not enough for me. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
4 beolab 5, beolab 9, beolab 10, beolab 5000, beolab 8000 mk2, beolab 6002, beolab 3500, beovision 7 55 mk2, 2 beovision 11 46 mk4, beotime, beosound ouverture, beosound essence, beoplay A8, beomaster 900 RG de luxe and the collection continues...
olvisab:Better than the ipad/airplay combo is the ipad/mlgw/airplay/bm5 combo , that's the best of the two worlds.
An expensive solution (with a DIY twist).
As a company you can't sell enough of those to survive.
We need something else - something simpler!
Millemissen: What is wrong with the analog (PowerLink) output?
That should be obvious. For a digital speaker it means you’re influencing the transmission chain without any need, e. g. additional distortion and a lower signal-to-noise ratio as well as electrical problems with the cables and connections involved resulting in an inevitable loss of sound quality. The less you influence/manipulate the digital signal, the better the output will be. So why investing in a digital speaker in the first place? Many people here are already asking for higher resolutions while the current ones are still not handled well and the higher ones are even overburdening the human ear.
What’s wrong with yesteryears standards? Well, this forces you to configure your whole WiFi network downwards compatible, resulting in a loss of bandwidth for the devices supporting recent transmission rates. Or you’d have to maintain a separate network for the Playmaker only (why on earth should one do that?). Nowadays modern routers and WiFi access points are supporting 802.11ac which is two or more generations later. B&O are using standards from 1999 (802.11b) or 2003 (802.11g) which is some sort of IT stone age …
Oke',
but a beosound 5 who downscaled the 24 bit files made me CRY!