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Hi,
im wondering how the BV7-55 mk2 fares against rivals such as Samsung, Panasonic etc. In regards to picture quality.
I own a 2013 Samsung topmodel 55 inch, but am considering moving to b&o as I have a set of beolab 9 connected through a denon receiver, and not quite satisfied with the "compromised" solution.
I got a great secondhand offer from my dealer, but I don't wan't a step down in PQ compared to 2013/2014 non b&o top models (as I have to spend even more money).
Anyone with any experience with this would be much valued.
lekruse: im wondering how the BV7-55 mk2 fares against rivals such as Samsung, Panasonic etc. In regards to picture quality.
There's another thread about the BV7-55 further down!
I'm not going to list the ins and outs of the BV7-55 - frankly I'm losing interest in the board from people constantly thinking "new TV equals better picture quality" - but I will say it has the best picture quality on the market, to this day, OLED aside. The reason for this is the locally dimmed backlit LCD panel which is almost unique to this TV (and the reason it cost £15K, new).
4K/new TVs does not mean better PQ. I'm sitting here watching Sky Sports 1 HD on my new Avant and, compared to my previous BV11-46, looks like upscaled SD in comparison. It's lost some of the sharpness I was used to with the BV11-46, simply due to the upscaling required for the 4K panel. So, you could argue the PQ has been *downgraded* with this panel, based on current TV.
If you have a set of BL9s, get yourself a BV7-55 with 7.4 and you'll have the best audio/video experience on the market (OLED aside). The only downside, is the size of the TV. But if you can live with that, it can't be bettered.
EDIT: I've switched to watching the Liverpool game on the BV10-32. Smaller screen, but much much sharper than the Avant!
Hopefully the august SW update for the Avant will help the PQ Moxxey.
4 beolab 5, beolab 9, beolab 10, beolab 5000, beolab 8000 mk2, beolab 6002, beolab 3500, beovision 7 55 mk2, 2 beovision 11 46 mk4, beotime, beosound ouverture, beosound essence, beoplay A8, beomaster 900 RG de luxe and the collection continues...
lekruse: ....but I don't wan't a step down in PQ compared to 2013/2014 non b&o top models (as I have to spend even more money).
....but I don't wan't a step down in PQ compared to 2013/2014 non b&o top models (as I have to spend even more money).
Sure PQ is very important, but with a B&O-tv (a BV) it is the overall performance, that counts!
Personally I could not live with a non-B&O tv and BL's connected to a xxx receiver - no matter how good the PQ of the tv is.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
olvisab:If I quite remember you own an oppo, did you try to use it for the upscale ? Maybe the results will be better.
You can't upscale the Sky content via the Oppo (well, you might be able to, but you can't control the Sky box via the remote, if you do). As it's not setup this way, I've not tested Sky upscaling via the Oppo.
But football/sport on the Avant is mediocre. B&O started a thread about the Trusted Reviews Avant review, I posted a comment and a few Avant owners agreed with me: https://www.facebook.com/bangolufsen?ref=br_tf
I expect B&O's social media team to have those negative comments erased by tomorrow, so read soon.
Football via my Avant is like very high quality SD, not HD. I think it's the fast motion across the uniformly coloured grass that doesn't help.
Interesting feedback, Moxxey - I still haven't received my Avant, but I was planning on routing the STB signal through an OPPO 103d and using the latter for 4k upscaling. Can't you set the Oppo to "always on" in order to control the Sky box via the remote? The OPPO 103d/105d are among the best video processors out there at the moment IMHO.
B&O has a special cable with a mini jack at the end of it, so you do not need to glue the IR-blaster to the front of the OPPO but instead you can just insert the mini jack at the IR-IN port on the back of it.
Roger
I guess the problem will not be controlling the OPPO, but PUC-controlling the STB connected via the OPPO.
How about using one of these for connecting the STB to the BV:
http://darbeevision.com/darblet
I plan on running a PUC cable to the OPPO 103d and a separate cable to the STB, the only identified obstacle seems to be input selection on the OPPO to make sure the HDMI-signal is routed through it without having to operate the OPPO.
The Darblet box linked above (DVP-5000) does the same thing as the 103d, but the 103 can also process video without applying the Darbee-trickery. And the Darblet costs $349, but if you buy the OPPO 103 with Darblet it only costs $99 (OPPO 103 is without Darbee-processing, the 103d has it for just $99 more).
OPPO also offer a special firmware version of the 103/103d/105/105d without the logo if you prefer a sleek look on your BeoVision without 3rd party logos on the screen. These OPPO's can be bought through any B&O dealer.
Roger: I plan on running a PUC cable to the OPPO 103d and a separate cable to the STB, the only identified obstacle seems to be input selection on the OPPO to make sure the HDMI-signal is routed through it without having to operate the OPPO.
Let me know how/if you achieve this Roger.
I did follow this advice from the Trusted Reviews review and it does appear to sharpen things up a bit with a good HD source: "And once we’d turned off the noise reduction and overscan features (heaven only knows why B&O decided to leave these on with footage as pristine as 4K/UHD), we were impressed with what we saw."
@Roger
I did mention the Darblet just in case it will not be possible to route the signal from one of the inputs on the OPPO without first turning on the OPPO. (I already knew the price of the Darblet!)
But you seem to be more interested in the general video processing (of the OPPO) than in the Darbee (trickery), which I can understand. Would be interesting to know, whether the Darbee processing does any good on the Avant (or on the 7-55), or if we should turn it off?
I am also very interested in hearing, if the OPPO will do the 'routing thing''. I could not find anything to clarify this - I guess it's just interesting for B&O users.
As the OPPO has two HDMI-in's it would be nice to be able to connect an ATV this way too.
Millemissen: As the OPPO has two HDMI-in's it would be nice to be able to connect an ATV this way too.
Bizarrely, I find the Avant is very good at upscaling ATV content. No idea why. ATV content looks superb on the Avant. No need to push that through the Oppo.
One other thing that's annoying me about my Avant is the constant light<>dark panel changes it makes whilst you're watching the TV. Who thought this was a wise idea? "Guys, we need the Avant to check and refresh every 30 seconds!". It's noticeable and, worse, sometimes goes dark to light, to dark, back to light, without any changes to the room lighting! The BV11 was better at handling low-light conditions than the Avant.
Thank you for the replies. Your right MM. The experience is just not right without a 100% B&o system.
Im sure i wanna get a beovision.
I really wanted to get BeoSystem 4 on my TV set, as i like to be able to software update on my own, aswell as PUC's.
Unfortunatly im extremly picky with sound quality, especially center channel. Used to own b&w CM series which is great (CM centre 2).
listened to the Avant center channel aswell as BV11, and none of them compared to what I was used to. Would have liked the option to mount BL7,4 on the Avant.
So for me It's a choice between Beosystem 4 and lack of highend center channel, or Beosystem 3 and highend center channel.
what would you guys pick?
//Mike
lekruse: listened to the Avant center channel aswell as BV11, and none of them compared to what I was used to. Would have liked the option to mount BL7,4 on the Avant.
Adding a 7-4 as center to the Avant should not be a problem.
You can configure the speakers of the Avant just as you like it - including disabling them.
And you can add any BL and make that any channel you like.
So just add the 7-4 as a center-speaker in the settings.
Only problem is - as far as I know - you will have the speakers coming out from under the tv, when you turn it on.
Maybe some day it will be possible to disable that too.
If you use a BeoSystem4 and a non-B&O display/screen/tv, you can (of course) add the BL7-4 as a center - if that is your choice.
You could even use the CM centre 2, if you use a fitting monoblock amp and the right cables.
@moxxey
Thanks for that information of the ATV and the Avant/upscaling
Nice to know.
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
I will certainly not disagree on that.
And it is the easiest way to go - no fiddling with non-B&O gear!
If someone has the space and the right place, he should really concider buying a BV7-55.
The prices are very low now!
Would be a big deal, even if it only will be used for the next 4-5 years.
N.B. Personally I am more for the 'smaller' Avant-tv - but that doesn't mean, that the 7-55 should not get a recommendation from me.
olvisab:It´s like old super car, sad to see how low the prices are.
I would not worry too much. Who has one - even if bought at a high price made the purchase most likely for the long run. If people sold them at low prices, they must value the new new thing higher - but giving up on an amazing AV performance.
I am happily in group one. The size does not worry me. It is a statement of solidity and longevity.
Bv7Mk3: Now there worth what you can get! some have been selling for 2k. That's why I sold mine....
Now there worth what you can get! some have been selling for 2k. That's why I sold mine....
"Some" implies more than one..
However, I've never seen (or heard of) a complete 7-55, with speaker and stand, selling for £2,000.
If you do come across any at that price though, I'll take ten please.
Lee
My dealer has a 7-55 last version for sale - for 35.000 DKK (3.800 UK£)
Millemissen: My dealer has a 7-55 last version for sale - for 35.000 DKK (3.800 UK£) MM
For that money, for what you're getting, that's a bargain.
35.000 DKK or 3,8K UK is the pricerange i was offered, and why I am so interested
Of course on 2-3 years the price will drop even further, but there must be limits to how far a BV 7-55 with BL 7-4 can drop om price.
9 LEE: For that money, for what you're getting, that's a bargain.
I know!
If I 'pushed him a bit', it would probably go for less than the 35.000 DKK.
But I haven't got the space for it - it is simply tooooo big.
Beware of how much you pay for yours, when you buy them.
At the end of the day it'll always be a 55" television. When a 55 inch screen becomes the "norm" it'll still have value, whereas the 40" will then be seen as a "bedroom TV"
At £3,800 you're getting, in my opinion and personal experience, the best B&O television available to use with today's formats at present.
I sold my 7-55 Mk1 to buy an 11-55 thinking I was "upgrading".. Four months later I sold the 11-55 and went for a 7-55 Mk2 which every time I turn it on wows me with the image quality.
I can categorically say that you will NOT be disappointed with a 7-55. Buy one at today's prices, enjoy it knowing there will never be another TV like it. They were designed and built to a standard, not a price constraint - and even by "today's standards" they are at or around the top of the pile.
Chris Townsend: If you can get one for those prices, you would be stark raving mad to consider anything else.
If you can get one for those prices, you would be stark raving mad to consider anything else.
Which is why I said you'd be stark raving mad to trade-in a BV7-55 against an Avant, knowing how the Avant performs against my old BV11.
I'd recommend a BV7-55 over anything in the market, with current TV broadcasting. As long as you can cope with the size of the TV. My Avant is too big and the BV7-55 feels even larger.
Someone posted on B&O's FB page that the Avant was a PQ upgrade on his BV7-55 which he'd traded-in. Some people are delusional.
moxxey:Which is why I said you'd be stark raving mad to trade-in a BV7-55 against an Avant, knowing how the Avant performs against my old BV11. I'd recommend a BV7-55 over anything in the market, with current TV broadcasting. As long as you can cope with the size of the TV. My Avant is too big and the BV7-55 feels even larger. Someone posted on B&O's FB page that the Avant was a PQ upgrade on his BV7-55 which he'd traded-in. Some people are delusional.
mawheele:For some content I think they are right.
I wouldn't disagree. Some. Certainly equal.
But the vast majority looks far better on a BV7-55. Besides, I'd have never spent over £10K on one, then traded it in and take a multi-thousand pound hit, to effectively have a A/V downgrade, for the same size panel! I could understand someone moving across to a 65", 70" or 85", not not the sideways step. Just makes no sense.
Saying it was "tired technologically" is B&O's middle-aged marketing dream :)
moxxey: Saying it was "tired technologically" is B&O's middle-aged marketing dream :)
I have the opportunity to buy a Beovision 7 55 mk1 with T-module for 1300 euros.
How does this display compare to LG`s OLED displays? I currently have a LG C7.
Tempted by the BV7 :P
-leosgonewild
"You think we can slap some oak on this thing?"
I don't know, but am curious about the answer, as the BV7 is still one the most attractive BV's to me :-)