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Oil to old BGs, interesting document

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Christian Christensen
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Christian Christensen Posted: Thu, Oct 23 2014 12:02 AM

I just serviced an Dual 1225.

Realised that is has more or less...very very similar motor as the BG1200 series.

Found this document

Is this something for us ?

http://www.dual-reference.com/Troubles/1200lube.htm 

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Dave Farr replied on Thu, Oct 23 2014 7:42 AM

Useful to know the equivalents  which seem to be just 10W-30W motor oil and any lithium grease.  The Molykote equivalent will be useful to Jacques as this was being discussed yesterday.

I also have about 30 Dual turntables, 40 amps and 30 tuners at the moment!

Thanks Christian.

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chartz replied on Thu, Oct 23 2014 8:36 AM

Yes, very interesting. I had come across that when I fixed my 601 (which is basically the same). The molykote is not used to lubricate a clutch here though. 

You have too much gear Dave. This is beyond reasonable! D:

Jacques

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Dave Farr replied on Thu, Oct 23 2014 8:48 AM

chartz:
You have too much gear Dave. This is beyond reasonable! D:

So my family sometimes say!  It's good to have an interest in something.  Life would be boring without it.

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chartz replied on Thu, Oct 23 2014 11:25 AM

Dave Farr:

chartz:
You have too much gear Dave. This is beyond reasonable! Big Smile

So my family sometimes say!  It's good to have an interest in something.  Life would be boring without it.

Dave.s

Oh yes.

 

Jacques

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Thinking that these oils and greases could be used on the same places in a beogram, as the mechanics seems so similar...

Am I thinking correct  ? opinions ? 

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Dave Farr replied on Thu, Oct 23 2014 12:25 PM

Christian Christensen:

Thinking that these oils and greases could be used on the same places in a beogram, as the mechanics seems so similar...

Am I thinking correct  ? opinions ? 

Unless there is a specific lubricant specified in the B&O manual due to the materials used, I would assume so.  Many of the original lubricants used 40 years ago aren't available in the same form or formulation anymore so a suitable alternative will have to be used - cost, manufacturing practices, health and safety, environmental concerns all lead to developments of these lubricants and the phasing out of some of the older ones.  Common sense has to prevail.

Dave.

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Rich replied on Thu, Oct 23 2014 6:09 PM

Dave Farr:

I also have about 30 Dual turntables, 40 amps and 30 tuners at the moment!

I always love to hear about the quantity of equipment other folks have.  Helps me when my wife accuses me of being crazy.


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Dave Farr replied on Thu, Oct 23 2014 6:33 PM

Rich:

Dave Farr:

I also have about 30 Dual turntables, 40 amps and 30 tuners at the moment!

I always love to hear about the quantity of equipment other folks have.  Helps me when my wife accuses me of being crazy.

We are crazy!  B&O collection, Dual collection, starting a Thorens collection, classic car collection.  Pension collection is next on the list!

Dave.

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Rich replied on Thu, Oct 23 2014 8:03 PM

I've shifted my collecting to the software side of the hobby, i.e., records (LPs and 45 singles), cassettes, and compact discs.  To date I have managed to stay away from 78s, reel to reels, and 8-track cartridges.


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Dave Farr:
Common sense has to prevail.

The 10-50 multigrade oil is nearly as thin as sewing machine oil, but attracts more dust than F.exs. Liquid Bearings, Nearly all greases can be changed with silicone grease (dont use lithium grease), the lately much discussed Molykote should be forbidden in all TTs, in the Beocord Reel to Reel it has special function for clutch and brake function, and cant be avoided.

Molykote grease dries out, and leaves a very hard paste that grinds away on the pieces where applied. Today it is mainly used for heavy machinery, used outdoor in extreme condition, to protect against water and dust, normally where used, fresh grease is applied weekly, in some places daily. I have seen the damages the Molykote grease can cause if applied in the wrong places, in printing machines. The repairs ran into 10.000th of dollars. In my workshop it has been forbidden since decades.

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tournedos replied on Fri, Oct 24 2014 8:04 AM

Dave Farr:

Unless there is a specific lubricant specified in the B&O manual due to the materials used, I would assume so.  Many of the original lubricants used 40 years ago aren't available in the same form or formulation anymore so a suitable alternative will have to be used - cost, manufacturing practices, health and safety, environmental concerns all lead to developments of these lubricants and the phasing out of some of the older ones.  Common sense has to prevail.

The service manual of my old Cadillac specifies ATF type A suffix A for the automatic transmission and power steering. It basically included whales. Even if it was still available, I'd be happier using current backwards compatible Dexron-III...

--mika

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chartz replied on Fri, Oct 24 2014 5:32 PM

Right then. I'm confused. What do I use in the end? Stick out tongue

Jacques

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Dave Farr replied on Sun, Oct 26 2014 4:51 PM

chartz:

Right then. I'm confused. What do I use in the end? Stick out tongue

Whale blubber, butter, coconut oil, hair gel, Vaseline - none recommended!  Stick with the Molykote.

Dave.

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