ARCHIVED FORUM -- March 2012 to February 2022READ ONLY FORUM
This is the second Archived Forum which was active between 1st March 2012 and 23rd February 2022
Paul W: Real books, the ones that have lovely paper and a soul :)
Real books, the ones that have lovely paper and a soul :)
Aha - those book, where you have to cut away a tree, just to have them on your shelf, after having read them :)
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
elephant: Paul W: Never any software issues for books :) Hmmm not so sure ... Some of my eBooks have received untracked updates while I am part way through reading them Dear Abby, What should I do ? Start reading from page one ? Again ? Again ? Uh oh ground hog day ...
Paul W: Never any software issues for books :)
Never any software issues for books :)
Hmmm not so sure ...
Some of my eBooks have received untracked updates while I am part way through reading them
Dear Abby,
What should I do ?
Start reading from page one ?
Again ?
Uh oh ground hog day ...
I remember a couple of years ago people discovered just how ephemeral Kindle books can be when Amazon suddenly disappeared a book off everyone's Kindle or Kindle app overnight. This was disconcerting, especially for students reading and annotating the book for classes as their annotations and notes disappeared and couldn't be retrieved. Brought to light the Big Brother nature of Kindle and Amazon. Apparently Amazon didn't have the correct license to distribute that edition of the book in the US (I believe this was a US only issue).
And the book that they shoved down the Memory Hole? Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm. Oh the irony.
Despite that lately I've been buying Kindle books as my Sony readers battery is kaput. Plus I find it convenient to be able to read on my phone at a doctors appt, while waiting at a restaurant, etc. and have it sync automatically when I get home.
As for the Spotify test the guy did...welcome to the world of controlled audio testing, shame on him for not realizing this sooner, but kudos to him for seeing the light and doing it properly. Too many when exposed to the results of controlled testing, especially on themselves, will go to any length to rationalize why the uncontrolled test is the more valid.
As for "real" books, while I have always loved the look of libraries full of books, and have always had and will always have a library in my house (in my apartment days it was a wall of bookshelves in the living room), I fully embrace the advantages of digital media, for all types from books to audio. But then the world's full of Luddites who cling to LPs and paper books. I understand the tactile pleasure of both, but the advantages of zero space storage (and backups are not difficult to master), easy access, etc. make digital a great addition. As I said earlier, I still have plenty of books and other media, but for example I had a lot of "classics" relating to Roman history, etc. that I got rid of when I discovered that all of these were available from places like Project Gutenberg and such for free. Freed up a lot of bookshelf space.
It's a bit harder to get rid of DVD/BluRays. The required HTPC and storage space is a step above just a PC for audio and a tablet for reading, but I'm strongly considering it and have started researching the options.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Jeff:And the book that they shoved down the Memory Hole? Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm. Oh the irony.
BeoNut since '75
Duels:Ah. Those trees they only plant so that they can some years later cut them down to make books.
I love books. Here's one of my forests
Beo Century ,Beoplay V1, Beocenter 6, Ex-Beolit 12, Beotime , A8. Beolit 15 , Form 2i , Beolab 2000, Beoplay A3.Beosound 1
That's my idea of Heaven. A home needs books and art AND a dog :)
Paul W:That's my idea of Heaven. A home needs books and art AND music
Simonbeo:I love books. Here's one of my forests Beo Century ,Beoplay V1, Beocenter 6, Ex-Beolit 12, Beotime , A8 , MX 5500 .
we tend to forget there is more to design than designing.
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
I already read that!
However, I wonder from where they are going to get those 'higres' files.
Almost any 'highres' file, that you can buy these days is upconverted from a 16/44.1 file, or a digitized version of older (second/third generation) analog tapes.
One liter standart wine doesn't improve from being bottled in a 5-liter premium bottle.
But of course 7Digital is interested in selling us (or rather the streaming services) the same stuff once again - at a higher price!
After all they are one of the biggest 'digital music file distributors' in the world.
Almost any new digital recording today is made at 24Bit/48kHz.
24Bit because they need the bits for the post-processing of the files - 48kHz, well....because that is a standart today.
Tidal is based on WiMP and their only value proposition was to deliver music in a better quality. So I would guess that this is really working out.
At least they were advertising with losless streaming link
WiMP/Tidal streams lossless music in standart qualty (which is 16/44.1/CD quality) in the Premium version.
I have bin using WiMP Premium for quite a while now, when doing more concentraded listening.
But that is not 'highres' - it is just 'plain old' uncompressed SD resolution.
Imo it is all you need for 99,9% of what, you would listen to (in avarage).
And I really do think, that a good lossy (320/256) version could be ok in most cases *
'Higres' streaming would be fine, if the origin/the recording was done in highres and left pretty untouched during processing and mastering ---- and when you have the right equipment to benefit from the higher bitrate, and the right ears (and speakers) to benefit from he higher frequencies (more that approx 22kHz).
...and if you have enought internet bandwith for this kind of stream.
*And don't forget - the streaming services and/or the content providers might have done some processing (peak limiting etc), that we don't even know of.
Sorry - the lossless service from WiMP/Tidal is not called Premium, as I wrote above.
It is called 'HiFi'!
After two weeks of regular listening, I agree with most of the comments other people made about Tidal's HiFi streaming quality, and in summary: if the recording is new(ish) and done in highres then lossless Tidal stream sounds audibly better than 320k Deezer.
All older recordings, regardless of the genre, sounds... ...well, the same (to me). :)
So not a lot gain for everyone, but I spend my listening time half-half: one part on new music proposed by Tidal and this is really spectacular, and the other part on classical, jazz and my old pop-rock favorites where it is comparable to Deezer.