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Just looking around for a bluray-player to go with a BeoPlay V1 and it struck me that my old setup with a samsung bluray + samsung tv worked very good together with the use of HDMI-CEC.
HDMI-CEC is basicly PUC over HDMI. No extra cables and support for power up, remote control from the TV. Even Playstation 3 has this - so no need for IR.
I cant understand why B&O dismisses this standard for the use of PUC-cables only, they are obviously not a better idea when it can be controlled over the same HDMI cable that is used for sound and image.
Anyone from B&O that can comment on this? And perhaps the V1 could support it in the future via software upgrades?
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Not directly B&O related, but in many cases enabling the HDMI-CEC feature consumes a lot of power. It needs to have the interface electronics running all the time, which in some devices means they are essentially on because they don't have a separate power supply to run it.
Also, the interoperability between makes isn't always as great as the advertising leads you to believe, and there can be various added annoyances, like the TV switching inputs when you only wanted some peripheral to turn on, not watch it...
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tournedos: Not directly B&O related, but in many cases enabling the HDMI-CEC feature consumes a lot of power. It needs to have the interface electronics running all the time, which in some devices means they are essentially on because they don't have a separate power supply to run it. Also, the interoperability between makes isn't always as great as the advertising leads you to believe, and there can be various added annoyances, like the TV switching inputs when you only wanted some peripheral to turn on, not watch it...
I guess it is not perfect but I don't think it requires alot of power. This is almost exactly how masterlink works for example. I like the idea of inserting a dvd and having the tv powering up automatically. But I guess we wont see this from B&O
Michael: But I guess we wont see this from B&O
Oh, I didn't say that. I have no idea about that.
Of course the interface can be implemented in various ways, but if you google for the issue, you will find reports of for example some Onkyo and Denon receivers consuming dozens of watts even on standby if you enable HDMI-CEC!
I just installed a Philips Blueray Player for my parents Beoplay V1 and there actually is an option to control the Bluray player through the HDMI cable. Downside is that it doesn't seem to work without the IR eye even though the Easy Link option is selected on the DVD player.
madskp: I just installed a Philips Blueray Player for my parents Beoplay V1 and there actually is an option to control the Bluray player through the HDMI cable. Downside is that it doesn't seem to work without the IR eye even though the Easy Link option is selected on the DVD player.
Hi Madskp! How nice to hear about this, made me truly happy this summer day. How does the V1 tell you that it works over HDMI? I have a Samsung HDMI-CEC bluray player that I have yet to try on the TV (don't know where to put the player) but now I am eager to try it out.
Hi I just checked again. It doesn't actually say that it is throug the HDMI connector. When I setup a new source I get to choose the PUC code for the device. After that i have the option to choose between IR blaster or plug. My Guess is that the plugoption is HDMI, but I could be wrong.
Page 9 in the user manual http://beoplay.com/sitecore/shell/Controls/Rich%20Text%20Editor/~/media/27DE9D2F8F6F4F14BBF3714DB51CC117.ashx mention this but doesn't tell anything about what kind of plug this is.
madskp:Hi I just checked again. It doesn't actually say that it is throug the HDMI connector. When I setup a new source I get to choose the PUC code for the device. After that i have the option to choose between IR blaster or plug. My Guess is that the plugoption is HDMI, but I could be wrong. Page 9 in the user manual http://beoplay.com/sitecore/shell/Controls/Rich%20Text%20Editor/~/media/27DE9D2F8F6F4F14BBF3714DB51CC117.ashx mention this but doesn't tell anything about what kind of plug this is.
Ok that explains why it didn't work. Then I Gues the V1 doesn't have this option
madskp:Ok that explains why it didn't work. Then I Gues the V1 doesn't have this option
HDMI-CEC is a nice feature on the paper, but in reality it often won't work.
I connected a Technisat dvb-s receiver to my current Samsung LCD. When switching the TV on and off the dvb-s receiver switches on and off too, but if the receiver switches on at night to update the epg it switches on the TV, but won't switch it off
HDMI-CEC works fine if you use products of the same manufacturer, but if you mix them there's little hope to get it work.
Regards
Martin
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Agree Martin. My new Toshiba TV has CEC, but branded as Redza by Toshiba. It's totally useless with anything other than Redza compatable devices.
I love the set, but the most annoying feature is that when I switch on, for example my DVD player, I the have to select the TV's input connections via a button on the remote and then select the appropriate HDMI socket. I expected that simply switching on the player would do it automatically, but no.
I'm seriously considering a 4 in - 1 out HDMI box with auto detection. Trouble is some reports say they don't always auto-switch and require a dedicated remote to select the required HDMI input, which would be of no improvement to what I can achieve now. If it would always auto-switch, I'd go for it I think.
Bit pathetic I think for a relatively expensive TV.
mickhoog:I don't know. The tv I have in my bedroom which I'm planning to replace with a V1 is excellent. You press play on the blu ray and it turns the tv on and to the correct input. It's a Panasonic. It's a great feature I wish was on the v1
As I've just been setting up my new Lintronics box (still traumatised somewhat!), I've had to create a macro just so that when I switch on my Apple TV, the correct TV input is selected. Don't believe however that CEC would help here as I don't think it's supported at all by Apple, nor by the Sky digiboxes I believe.
In my naivety I thought that it wouldn't be too much of a technical hurdle for a TV manufacturer to auto detect via HDMI a newly activated device and switch TV inputs. But maybe it is!
I got around the CEC and of cause many other problems by using a lintronic -238 and it's macro functions.
E.g. Pressing DTV on Beo4 turns on TV, turns on dvs-receiver and then switched to the assigned hdmi port. That's it.
I think the same would be possible if you use a Beo5/6.
Thanks for that Martin, as a matter of interest what procedure is needed on your TV to change inputs? On mine I have to press the input select button on the TV's remote, arrow down or up to the number 1-4, then press 'OK'. I can't just press #2 for example on the remote and select that one, as I have to arrow up or down to it. Frustrating really.
I've now set up a macro so that when I switch on my Beomaster via my Beo4, the above 3 operations are performed.
kokomo:Thanks for that Martin, as a matter of interest what procedure is needed on your TV to change inputs? On mine I have to press the input select button on the TV's remote, arrow down or up to the number 1-4, then press 'OK'. I can't just press #2 for example on the remote and select that one, as I have to arrow up or down to it. Frustrating really. I've now set up a macro so that when I switch on my Beomaster via my Beo4, the above 3 operations are performed.
Any new about HDMI CEC support in either V1 or BV11?
I have the new PS4 and there is not any remote capability using PUC & Beo4 but the PS4 supports HDMI CEC. It would be great if we were able to control the PS4 (or other HDMI CEC units) with the beo4 automatically using the HDMI port only.
PUC is capable of supporting more commands than CEC can, also the control scheme can be customized to fit the users needs. CEC is great for basic control we all can acknowledge that but B&O would sacrifice a lot if they would go with CEC instead of PUC.
None of the current B&O TV line-up does currently support CEC or will officially in the near future.
Regarding PS4: It is a bad situation, but the ball lies with Sony to finally release a Media Remote, that can be adopted.