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Puncher: Carolpa: But if B&o is not the choice (anymore), choose something different.......... simple as that But that's exactly the point, that's what everyone else is doing, there are nowhere near enough people wanting and willing to buy what they have to offer!
Carolpa: But if B&o is not the choice (anymore), choose something different.......... simple as that
But if B&o is not the choice (anymore), choose something different.......... simple as that
But that's exactly the point, that's what everyone else is doing, there are nowhere near enough people wanting and willing to buy what they have to offer!
And thats the reason why they are have to find a partner. The company is too small to keep pace with the fast changes in technologies and possibilities. They can't hardly be at all the frontlines anymore.
Carolpa: Puncher: Carolpa: But if B&o is not the choice (anymore), choose something different.......... simple as that But that's exactly the point, that's what everyone else is doing, there are nowhere near enough people wanting and willing to buy what they have to offer! And thats the reason why they are have to find a partner. The company is too small to keep pace with the fast changes in technologies and possibilities. They can't hardly be at all the frontlines anymore.
......and so we agree!
Ban boring signatures!
Puncher:But that's exactly the point, that's what everyone else is doing, there are nowhere near enough people wanting and willing to buy what they have to offer!
off course... the magic is gone! and others are offering the same (and more) for less now.
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
Chris: Puncher:But that's exactly the point, that's what everyone else is doing, there are nowhere near enough people wanting and willing to buy what they have to offer! off course... the magic is gone! and others are offering the same (and more) for less now.
Fine...........so lets move on to the "others"?
If B&o has no future let it be.............. but lets hope it has, even as part of another company!
I'd like to know, who is 'offering the same (or more) for less'?
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Try to find a motorised stand in another brand or a generic motorised stand that will take any TV.
There's just about nothing out there except for a couple of poor quality limited movement wall brackets. B&O have been ahead of the motorised TV game for years, and what they offer is really elegant and worth the money. Why on earth haven't they made more of this in their advertising?
Not to mention ICEpower Class D amplifiers beng supplied by B&O to the best of the competition.
They still have so much going for them, but the competition keeps increasing. When the only choice was a CRT TV, B&O were the masters of disguise and clever design. Now that screens are 50mm thick there is little to be clever with regarding disguise, and little to justify very high price differentials.
Graham
MM, I know, I know...
Lets put our love at B&O and the design aside. And compare only one piece, the Moment.
A Mac mini as music server, with music software as Amarra or Audirvana+, Airfoil Speakers software for the eventually airplay and the iPad with remote. Hardware connected to the aux on your BS or ML/NL converter.
Everything easy upgradable to the latest software, eventually usable for other things as email etc... Easy to use for the whole family and sounds like heaven.
That is magic to me as B&O was back in the years 70-80, when it had something more compared to others. But I still love B&O, it's a virus!
Chris Townsend:They've just released a very well received music system, and killer wireless earphones. Even What HIFI and AV Forums liked it. EVEN It's not that bad is it. Beats just got paid billions for their crappy headphones by Apple so anything can happen
It's not that bad is it. Beats just got paid billions for their crappy headphones by Apple so anything can happen
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Chris: MM, I know, I know... Lets put our love at B&O and the design aside. And compare only one piece, the Moment. A Mac mini as music server, with music software as Amarra or Audirvana+, Airfoil Speakers software for the eventually airplay and the iPad with remote. Hardware connected to the aux on your BS or ML/NL converter. That is magic to me as B&O was back in the years 70-80, when it had something more compared to others. But I still love B&O, it's a virus!
Definitely a Mac Mini used that way can be, what is some people want - no doubt about that.
If B&O wanted to compete with that, they had not created the BS Moment - because they know that they would loose that game before it even started.
With the BS Moment they wanted to make an audiosystem with a different approach to 'listening to/living with/using music'.
There has been written a lot (especially from me) in the Moment thread - no reason to repeat that here.
Now the BS Moment is available at the dealers everyone has a chance to experience it, and to see, if it suits his/her needs/wishes, or if they want another solution.
I bid you, go have a look, let the dealer demomstrate, play with it yourself and report back, if you want to.
If your audiosystem - after that - still is the MAC-solution, it's fine.
But do yourself the favour to check, if the Moment does things different, before you disqualify the intensions, that B&O has with their suggestion for a modern audiosystem.
Soundproof excellent post as always.
Too long to list....
Millemissen: @Soundproof I am sorry - I can't recognize the picture you are painting - especially not the dark grey colours you use. You might be right in some of your conclusion, but it is simply not true, that 'B&O did not believe in it's own brand story'. Sure there were different and also opposite opinions on the way, that had to be taken for the future. Who is right, who is wrong - you only know that afterwards. Even if some of what you write, may be right - it is not the whole picture. There are many other circumstances, that have led to the regression, that showed it's true face round about 3 years ago. Another question, one might ask: Why didn't the dealers believe in the brand - some of them did, I know! However you can't sell a product to a costumer, if you are not engaged yourself. Staying in the shops, waiting for the costumer, doesn't seem to be a good idea. --- When you have evaluated a process/the way a company works (or not work), you normally go into the discussion of, what afterwards has to be done. Maybe the managemet/the board at that time had waited too long to 'do things'/to draw the conclusions. Why did an old - ower-expensive - non selling tv like the BV7 had to stay in the product range for so long? Why did they keep on investing in a BS5, that must have cost them a fortune? Why didn't they dare to force the development of new tech for B&O - a development, that was already going on in the departments in Struer? And more.... ---- ---- In your post I miss the look ahead. As you say, 'it is easy to critize in hinsight'. But the change has been made, I am sure. I am aware, that many Beoworlders won't agree. Letting Tue - after some time in the board - take over as head of management, was the only way to find a way into the future for B&O. Noone shall tell me, that Tue does not believe in the values of the brand and in the performance of the company - he does. And he is very devoted. But things take longer, that they all (not only Tue) thought 3-4 years ago. What I am interested in, is what they are doing now! I can't paticipate in threads about, what went wrong, what they (or who) did or did not do 10 years ago. It has no purpose for today - at least not for me as a costumer and as a beoworlder. I think, that they are doing well today. The trouble is, that we aren't seeing the fruits of that new beginning yet. The changes in the dealers structure, the increased marketing and the start of the sub-brand - B&O Play etc. The new products, that are coming now - starting with the Moment - will integrate (with the BV's too) in a way we have missed for years. Many a Beoworlder may not be exited - he has his working ML-structure (including workarounds) and maybe don't even want this to be changed. But it is the only way to reach new costumers. It is the only chance for the company to survive. Look ahead - don't look back! MM
Another question, one might ask:
Mille, please admit you work for B&O....