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Sky 4k is coming!...You lucky Avant Owners!..Will You be taking it up?

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Bv7Mk3 Posted: Mon, Feb 2 2015 5:31 PM

Sky 4k could be here this Spring Smile due to some Market Factors and not next year 2016 as the race is on!

Will you be taking up Sky 4k if it Launches this Spring or Sometime this year?

I have been hovering around an Avant and this could just do it for me!

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/techandscience/sky-to-rush-out-a-4k-set-top-box-under-pressure-from-bt/ar-AA8TweG?ocid=EIE9HP

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The box will use HEVC, and not being an expert on the Avant but remembering this being discussed. I read the broadcasts will be 60 fps so HDMI 2.0, which the Avant has an port for right?Confused

Will the current Avant be able to decode that signal?

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Bv7Mk3 replied on Mon, Feb 2 2015 6:16 PM

The Avant Should do 60 Frames with the up date but  the HEVC depending how the Sky Box is sending out sound to the TV?  All done in the box to the TV or Straight to the TV.

If Straight to the TV I guess notSad If not decoded before hand.

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Surely the box must therefore do all the coding etc. Haven't a clue about this sort of thing Embarrassed

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Bv7Mk3 replied on Mon, Feb 2 2015 6:49 PM
That's why B&O said leaving it to the Box to decode! If they have got it right. If not ooops but I'd dont think they would be that silly?

But HEVC would be nice in the tv maybe a Avant Mk2? Soon.
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No need for HVEC in the TV. It seemed to me that everyone who wanted to knock the AVant found this a convenient poke point. It makes little sense technically.

You want to Decode at the source of the content.

TVs are simply displays today and best they focus the money on rendering quality.

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Bv7Mk3 replied on Mon, Feb 2 2015 7:48 PM
The only thing I can think of with the HEVC not built in is for playing web content that needs it for play back.
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Raeuber replied on Mon, Feb 2 2015 8:04 PM
The Avant can't decode Netflix 4K because of the lack of HEVC.

If the external receiver from SKY decodes 4K broadcast there will be no problem with the Avant, otherwise you can't watch SKY 4K.

HEVC codec will become more and more important, that's why most of 4K TVs nowadays have HEVC inbuilt nowadays. Also Avant 4K for sure...

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Yes. In the external box. It's irrelevant in the Tv.

In terms of web content, this will get handled by Html5 and the streaming service.

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All external boxes do there own decoding (at least today anyway), otherwise they wouldn't actually be doing a lot.

The avant has no need for HEVC, this would only be required if it's own smart TV platform natively ran Netflix.

Everyone has jumped on the HEVC bandwagon to moan about the avant, without much understanding of how and where this would be implemented.

 

Yes, if 'freeview' channels ever moved to 4k, then this may be an issue, but frankly, they only have single digit number of channels in HD, with the rest in SD.  Based on how long it's taking to move to HD, we could assume this would give somewhere in the region of 10 years of TV use without a HEVC related issue, then the workaround would be an external box.  I highly suspect 10 years is conservative as well.

Who buys TV's like these and only ever wants to watch freeview?'

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I highly agree with you.

But I am sure your estimate of the 10 years is wrong.

In Denmark (in most cases) you don't need an external box to view tv - this is all done through the internal tuners (C, T2 or S2). If you have to pay for extra services/channels you need a smartcard (for the built-in cardreader) to 'open' the paid channels. You don't need a 'pay-tv box' for that!

When the broadcasters begins to use HEVC for encoding their signals - in order to improve quality (including making 4K possible) and to use bandwith more effective - we will need built-in HEVC.

Or rather - we will need new tuners, which can decode HEVC material. For the time being  there are no such tuners. The exact standards herefore aren't even agreed on.

Personally I don't think, that this will take 10 years - more likely 4-5 years. And even after that we will see HEVC- and MPEG4-encoded tv signals side by side for a while.

So - for me - no need to 'jump on the HEVC bandwagon' either.

The external boxes/Bluray players, that can handle HEVC encoded stuff, will all be able to decode HEVC as well.

In regions, where you need an external box for viewing more than just a few (free) channels, you'd have to use the external box solution anyway. I guess people will be fine with the Sky/4K boxes.

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David King:
Who buys TV's like these and only ever wants to watch freeview?'
i do Embarrassed

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The man from Sky is sat right next to me, and he says there's no chance UHD will be out anytime soon. He reckons they struggle with broadcasting 1080i!

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Paul W replied on Wed, Feb 4 2015 3:19 PM

Too true Chris - all of their 20+ music channels are only in standard definition along with most news channels, travel and anything that isn't over mainstream. We had this discussion at the gym last night and the guys that I talked to 20-25 age group said it was yesterdays brand and did not use it. Great report on CNN yesterday evening on how the way TV is now consumed!

In fact here it is...

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/02/03/spc-tomorrow-transformed-future-television.cnn

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