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Facel: Is it possible to select your music (Flac files on your NAS) from the Moment and let it play on a NON B&O DNLA player (of course you need to have a music system or TV which is DNLA complient, in order to achieve that)
Is it possible to select your music (Flac files on your NAS) from the Moment and let it play on a NON B&O DNLA player
(of course you need to have a music system or TV which is DNLA complient, in order to achieve that)
This is Moment independable. If you have a DLNA capable server on your NAS, other DLNA players can play these files (if they support FLAC)
The principal interest is to use the Moment as a controler of DLNA devices and conserve the benefits of its interface and functions (Mood wheel)
Think of the Moment as an audiosystem (the SoundHeart) and a dedicated controller (the Jukebox).
The 'audiosystem' connects to external sources (NAS etc and a music service). The 'audiosystem organizes the music/the files in different ways - two of these are PatternPlay and MoodWheel. The Jukebox is the interface for accessing/controlling this.
If you mean, if the Jukebox could control another device, the answer is no.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
its really ..really ...really etc ... a pitty that the Jukebox could not control another device .
That would have made an definitive advantage for B&O to integrate with other existing audio system
because nobody offers such an interface as the Moment but many companies offers (and already equipped customers) with
high end DAC, or Hifi Systems (Speakers, etc ..)
2 questions :
1. Is it possible to set the PL output as fixed volume (line level)?
2. To me, it seems that the user experience could be quite bad without a Deezer subscription (only inner ring of the mood wheel working for instance...) : I hope that in the future, more music services will become compatible...
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Facel: its really ..really ...really etc ... a pitty that the Jukebox could not control another device . That would have made an definitive advantage for B&O to integrate with other existing audio system because nobody offers such an interface as the Moment but many companies offers (and already equipped customers) with high end DAC, or Hifi Systems (Speakers, etc ..)
I'm not sure I follow... You mean they should make an app to control iTunes?
Bah Humbug.
Too long to list....
@Facel
Without the SoundHeart the Jukebox would be nothing - it is depending on what the SoundHeart delievers, and is merely a tool, an interface, that shows you this and lets you interact with the capacities of the SoundHeart.
Don't dream about the Jukebox, doing what it does, without the SoundHeart.
And why should it? It was made for that purpose.
But do tell me, what you think is 'wrong' about the SoundHeart, since you are so eager to get the Jukebox working without the SoundHeart!
mbee: 1. Is it possible to set the PL output as fixed volume (line level)?
I can't tell you, whether it has a native setting for this.
But you could adjust the volumen to approx 80%, and let the wheel be untouched afterwards.
This corresponds to the 'fixed line level' of the Playmaker and the Essence.
But why would you want this?
To connect a non-B&O amp to it, or?
Millemissen: But do tell me, what you think is 'wrong' about the SoundHeart, since you are so eager to get the Jukebox working without the SoundHeart!
I am not eager to get the Jukebox working without the SoundHeart, I am eager to get the the appriopriate flexibility to use the Moment into an existing audio / video configuration which is not 100% B&O.
If you have in the same room a Beovision and a Non B&O (digita)l High End Audio Hifi System I would like to use One Moment for playing music on any system
Non B&O (digita)l High End Audio Hifi System = Silent PC running Jriver + USB DAC (192 KHZ and DSD) + Amplifier + Loudspeakers + Music Stored on a Raid 1 NAS
I do not need the Dac of the SoundHeart, I need the Soundheart to be a gateway accessing the Flac Files on the NAs and bypass them to the PC when playing on Hifi System
I (could) need the dac of the Soundheart when playing on a Beovision (depends which beovison we are talking about of course)
Since the Moment (apart from the WiSA-output) does not have any digital-out connections, you are 'stock with' the DAC-solution of the Moment.
But why is that a 'bad thing'?
Do you think, that your JRiver/ (USB) DAC-solution could make the music sound better?
Or is your intension not to have to invest in BeoLab speakers for the Moment/for the connected NL-BV?
It is simply a deep lack of "open connectivity"
We could argue for hours about how does the music Sound, I have made a choice for Stereo Hifi wich is to me, a much better quality price ratio than any B&O solution.(I mean quality is equivalent or Higher to the best B&O speakers because my system is not the cheapest one)
Why should I invest into Beolab Speakers in the rooms already equipped with my audio solution ?
On an other Hand even into a full B&O "world" it is the same lack of connectivity that will prevent me from using the Audio engine of the New Avant for playing a multi channel SACD stored on my NAS after having slected it with the Moment
I know it is not the purpose of the moment ... but why could'nt it be ?
Facel: Millemissen: But do tell me, what you think is 'wrong' about the SoundHeart, since you are so eager to get the Jukebox working without the SoundHeart! I am not eager to get the Jukebox working without the SoundHeart, I am eager to get the the appriopriate flexibility to use the Moment into an existing audio / video configuration which is not 100% B&O. If you have in the same room a Beovision and a Non B&O (digita)l High End Audio Hifi System I would like to use One Moment for playing music on any system Non B&O (digita)l High End Audio Hifi System = Silent PC running Jriver + USB DAC (192 KHZ and DSD) + Amplifier + Loudspeakers + Music Stored on a Raid 1 NAS I do not need the Dac of the SoundHeart, I need the Soundheart to be a gateway accessing the Flac Files on the NAs and bypass them to the PC when playing on Hifi System I (could) need the dac of the Soundheart when playing on a Beovision (depends which beovison we are talking about of course)
Sounds a bit complicated, and very personalized...
Facel: I have made a choice for Stereo Hifi wich is to me, a much better quality price ratio than any B&O solution.
Can we have your choice, please.
Because of the lack of 'connectivity' or multiroom right now, I will connect Moments PL-outputs provisionally to the Line-in of my ML/NL converter. This means I will be able to listen to it on my ML and (NL-V1) TV. The control will not be as intended, but its a interim solution until Multiroom functionality comes this summer.
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
Facel: It is simply a deep lack of "open connectivity" We could argue for hours about how does the music Sound, I have made a choice for Stereo Hifi wich is to me, a much better quality price ratio than any B&O solution.(I mean quality is equivalent or Higher to the best B&O speakers because my system is not the cheapest one) Why should I invest into Beolab Speakers in the rooms already equipped with my audio solution ? On an other Hand even into a full B&O "world" it is the same lack of connectivity that will prevent me from using the Audio engine of the New Avant for playing a multi channel SACD stored on my NAS after having slected it with the Moment I know it is not the purpose of the moment ... but why could'nt it be ?
B&O never ever claimed to have 'open connectivety'!
You are right - what you would like to do (playing multichannel DSD from NAS through a Moment) was never the intension of the Moment.
First of all, it is a 2 channel system - and (for the minority, that wants this) secondly there are other ways of playing multichannel DSD music in a B&O setup.
Using a BRP like the OPPO connected to a modern BV would make this possible - as an example.
The Moment was not intended to be a 'swiss army knife'-like audiosystem. It was newer intended to be a bridge/a hub for other audiosystems/setups
It was intended to be a system, that give people a simple and seemsless access to their own music (DLNA or iTunes served) and to a music service, as well as to radiostations.
That is what people expect from a B&O audiosystem today - and that is what they get.
Sure we could argue for hours on 'sound quality' - but I am not willing to waste my time on it.
If you are pleased and contended with your setup, I am not the one to tell you something else - why should I?
To make it short....
....what you dream of with the BS Moment, will not be possible.
Chris: Because of the lack of 'connectivity' or multiroom right now, I will connect Moments PL-outputs provisionally to the Line-in of my ML/NL converter. This means I will be able to listen to it on my ML and (NL-V1) TV. The control will not be as intended, but its a interim solution until Multiroom functionality comes this summer.
Looking forward to hear of your experiences with this way of 'integrating' the BS Moment.
MM, it works tried it yesterday. But off-course you have the problem of two volumes, one on the Moment and the other on the V1 (through Line-in converter).
Never tried it deeper, if you could change the fixed volume from the Moment, but I think so. The extra effort with the volumes was not much of a problem to me as I said an 'interim solution', so I ordered one. I would not have ordered if I had to connect them only to the one or another link for the time being, with the PL connections and ML/NL assigned command V-Mem, its usable for me on ML and the V1 until summer. Will see with the eventually fixed volume once it arrived at home.
Why not simply choose the V1 as the speaker for it - means connect it to the V1 through NL?
After that you will have new sources (5 of them) on your V1.
Now check the converter to see, if they are there too. And map these to whatever you need on the ML.
Millemissen: B&O never ever claimed to have 'open connectivety'!
Yes I know => - 7 years from now my B&O dealer advice was to wire with master link cable my house for Audio (and video through antenna cable ?) multiroom experience
I did choose RJ45 cat 6 instead ==> that is part of Open connectivity
- today new B&O products are DLNA, Flac and RJ45/ethernet complient => that is a step in the open connectivity world
Millemissen: It was intended to be a system, that give people a simple and seemsless access to their own music (DLNA or iTunes served) and to a music service, as well as to radiostations. That is what people expect from a B&O audiosystem today - and that is what they get.
I do not know what people are expecting from B&O audio system, I do not know if they know it themselves !!!
One of great thing about the Moment is its "human interface" , I only would love to be able to use this interface with my existing devices
Today can I use my Beo4 remote (which is the best of all remote control (*)) to control every things in my Non B&O system even the lights, but if the moment has such a great interface ... so I only want the benefit of this interface to be integrated with the rest of my music system (the NAS part is done)
I know I know I know .... the Moment does not that ....
but I think that one day it will .. and you will also probably be able to choose your movies online or on your Nas and send it for playing on your Beovision.
(*) sorry I do not have any Beoremote One which should be even better
sorry for going out of the current topic
@Chris
to make it short my choice is :
BV7 + => Origenae PCBox / Jriver with 2 Usb DAC (One VLINK connected to BV7 + One Head UD 501 connected to Sugden A21SE + JMR EMP2 Speakers)
+=> sat receiver
+=>IP box receiver
music (mostly Flac 44, 96 and 192khz) /video/photo => synology DS214+ (2 x 3To )
Every thing is controled by Beo4 through Lintronic Box
Lutron for Lights & Nest for heating
The BV 7 can have music alone or Switch of, or synchrone with my Hifi systemThe BV7 screen is used for viewing Jriver appli in theater mode.
Thats for living room
Chris: it beats every combo in ease of use and that to me is the most important point. I'm not the only one in our house who enjoys music, the rest of the family does the same.
it beats every combo in ease of use and that to me is the most important point. I'm not the only one in our house who enjoys music, the rest of the family does the same.
100% with you on that .
Millemissen: Why not simply choose the V1 as the speaker for it - means connect it to the V1 through NL? After that you will have new sources (5 of them) on your V1. Now check the converter to see, if they are there too. And map these to whatever you need on the ML. MM
You can connect to the V1 OR the ML/NL converter: not both! (only 1 NL device)
if you choose your V1: there is sound on the television, but the ML is not working!
If you choose the ML/NL converter: sound is going everywhere to your ML devices, but NO sound on your V1!
Thats why I gonna use temporarily the Line-In of the converter, to get some sound everywhere.
Looking out of my window for summer, maybe multiroom software is passing MM!
MM, I have a problem with you (don't take that personnaly, even if it seems to be a personnal attack )
Everytime I ask for something (and I'm not the only one), you reply with something like "why would one want to do such a stupid thing? It's not a user case imagined by B&O, so you're not a good user. The B&O product is well-thought, you are the wrong guy. Therefore you should die!"
Ok, you're not so extreme...
But when I was worried about the fact that new beolabs had digital inputs and there is no digital output on the Moment, you asked "why on earth would you want a digital output when you have WiSA ?"
And now that I'm wondering if there is a way to fix output volume on the Moment, you ask why would I need to do such a stupid thing on such a superb volume-controlled device (again, this is a small reinterpretation of your answer... )
So, to answer : it would be helpful for me to have only one volume control, because currently my BS5 Encore is "linked" to a Beovision 8 40 which I still love (so I don't want to replace it) with a Beolink converter, so when I turn volume up on the Beo4, the volume turns up on BV AND on BS simultaneously, which is not optimal, as like you say, it's better to fix the BS (source) sound level to approx. 80%. But I also understant that having the tablet on hands without sound control could be frustrating some times... But this would be only a temporary solution (for some years actually), as I will certainly replace the B8 one day in the future
Facel: to make it short my choice is : BV7 + => Origenae PCBox / Jriver with 2 Usb DAC (One VLINK connected to BV7 + One Head UD 501 connected to Sugden A21SE + JMR EMP2 Speakers) +=> sat receiver +=>IP box receiver music (mostly Flac 44, 96 and 192khz) /video/photo => synology DS214+ (2 x 3To ) Every thing is controled by Beo4 through Lintronic Box Lutron for Lights & Nest for heating The BV 7 can have music alone or Switch of, or synchrone with my Hifi systemThe BV7 screen is used for viewing Jriver appli in theater mode.
That is indeed a nice system you have, I think the Origenae deserves a better dac then a Musical Fidelity V-Link (another UD 501? are you using a dedicated power supply for the dac?). That Origenae is a very fine piece of equipment, so is the Sugden!
Hopefully you find a nearby B&O dealer for a try to integrate the Moment in a similar to yours system. I can not help you momentarily any further now, I have to wait a couple of weeks before I get my 'Moment'. Then I could give it a try for you, using the PL-outputs as input to an amplifier.
mbee:2 questions : 1. Is it possible to set the PL output as fixed volume (line level)?
Carolpa:This is Moment independable. If you have a DLNA capable server on your NAS, other DLNA players can play these files (if they support FLAC)
Chris: I think the Origenae deserves a better dac then a Musical Fidelity V-Link (another UD 501? are you using a dedicated power supply for the dac?). That Origenae is a very fine piece of equipment, so is the Sugden! Hopefully you find a nearby B&O dealer for a try to integrate the Moment in a similar to yours system. I can not help you momentarily any further now, I have to wait a couple of weeks before I get my 'Moment'. Then I could give it a try for you, using the PL-outputs as input to an amplifier.
I think the Origenae deserves a better dac then a Musical Fidelity V-Link (another UD 501? are you using a dedicated power supply for the dac?). That Origenae is a very fine piece of equipment, so is the Sugden!
The V link is Only for sending audio to the Beovision 7 through SPDIF,It is adapted for the internal "dac" of the beo7.
I do not have a dedicated power supply for the Dac maybe should I ?
Anyway the moment attracts me back to B&O for audio, even if I would like a little bit more from it
MartinW:The JukeBox continued to work the SoundHeart all over my house - that being said I do this the SoundHeart broadcasts its own network that the JukeBox communicates over - maybe I just have a small house! The SoundHeart connects over Wifi for its internet/network link connection.
The SoundHeart connects over Wifi for its internet/network link connection.
Thanks for testing .. that sound really good regarding the action range
Thanks Martin, well done on getting on it and for sharing your experience. I will be tempted when the multi room upgrade is released, I wonder how one will select the source from another room?
look forward to your experiences but above all enjoy it.
wogga383:Thanks Martin, well done on getting on it and for sharing your experience. I will be tempted when the multi room upgrade is released, I wonder how one will select the source from another room? look forward to your experiences but above all enjoy it.
BeoNut since '75
mbee: MM, I have a problem with you (don't take that personnaly, even if it seems to be a personnal attack ) Everytime I ask for something (and I'm not the only one), you reply with something like "why would one want to do such a stupid thing? It's not a user case imagined by B&O, so you're not a good user. The B&O product is well-thought, you are the wrong guy. Therefore you should die!" Ok, you're not so extreme... But when I was worried about the fact that new beolabs had digital inputs and there is no digital output on the Moment, you asked "why on earth would you want a digital output when you have WiSA ?" And now that I'm wondering if there is a way to fix output volume on the Moment, you ask why would I need to do such a stupid thing on such a superb volume-controlled device (again, this is a small reinterpretation of your answer... ) So, to answer : it would be helpful for me to have only one volume control, because currently my BS5 Encore is "linked" to a Beovision 8 40 which I still love (so I don't want to replace it) with a Beolink converter, so when I turn volume up on the Beo4, the volume turns up on BV AND on BS simultaneously, which is not optimal, as like you say, it's better to fix the BS (source) sound level to approx. 80%. But I also understant that having the tablet on hands without sound control could be frustrating some times... But this would be only a temporary solution (for some years actually), as I will certainly replace the B8 one day in the future
Hi mbee,
I am pleased to read, that you write:
'Ok, you're not so extreme..'
Even if the the impression, I get from your post, seems to indicate, that you do think, that I am 'extreme'
I must say, that I fear, that you do me wrong!
What you (probably) don't know is, that I - for years now - have been active in a (danish) sub-thread, that Peter Pan once started.
The purpose of this thread was - and still is - to explore ways to use B&O products with non-B&O products - including how to combine old and new B&O and trying all sorts of 'non-official' setups.
In this thread Peter Pan, I and several others have discussed and explored hundreds of combinations of 'If you are into B&O, but not 100%'.
You wouldn't want to know how many possible and impossible setups, I have tried over the years.
As an example - I was one of the first to use the Playmaker with 'fixed line-out and in Option O'. It is connected to the A.Tape input of my old audiomaster and can be used on the ML. (I am still using that setup today....with a Squeezebox Touch connected to the Line-in of the PM).
However, the question: do we compromise 'the B&O-way of doing things', is always there. Do we sometimes come to a point, where the fluid, easy and consistent way of interfacing with the devices is not 'very B&O-like' anymore?
The moment, when one has reached this point, may be individual - of course.
But to me fiddling with double volumen control from one remote is too much.
I did not know, if it is possible to choose a 'fixed line-output' in the settings of the Moment - just like it is with the Playmaker. So I wanted to question the solution.
Asking 'why do you want to do this?', did not mean 'why the heck do you want to do that weird thing'.....
The question was meant as pure curiousity for your reasons to do so. And I wanted to point at the drawbacks of that solution at the same time.
I made the comment on the 'missing' digital-out on the Moment, because I see no reason to use the Moment that way - it would simply compromise the concept of the device.
I don't take, what you have written, personal - not at all.
But please don't over-react - I was just posting from my point of view.
P.S. the link to the Peter Pan-thread is:
http://www.hifi4all.dk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20679&PN=0&TPN=239
MartinW: mbee: 2 questions : 1. Is it possible to set the PL output as fixed volume (line level)? Yes it is - there is a setting in the software to tell it to output as fixed line level instead of PowerLink - of course this allows you to connect it to anything, TV, BV, non B&O amp etc.
mbee: 2 questions : 1. Is it possible to set the PL output as fixed volume (line level)?
Yes it is - there is a setting in the software to tell it to output as fixed line level instead of PowerLink - of course this allows you to connect it to anything, TV, BV, non B&O amp etc.
Great - that may give people some new possibilities of using the Moment - if needed.
MartinW: Carolpa: This is Moment independable. If you have a DLNA capable server on your NAS, other DLNA players can play these files (if they support FLAC) Correct - and DLNA is covered by the BeoMusic app which is all part of this system. I believe when the multiroom software is released, you will be able to control all the rooms from either the BeoMusic app, or the JukeBox.
Carolpa: This is Moment independable. If you have a DLNA capable server on your NAS, other DLNA players can play these files (if they support FLAC)
Correct - and DLNA is covered by the BeoMusic app which is all part of this system. I believe when the multiroom software is released, you will be able to control all the rooms from either the BeoMusic app, or the JukeBox.
'control all the rooms from....the Jukebox'. I am not so sure about that - I guess we will need the BeoMusic app for this.
Let's wait and see
Hi MM, I was not overreacting, just exaggerating the way you replied to almost all my questions...
ok, I misunderstood your question about the fixed line volume, but I can't understand why having a digital output would compromise the concept of the device to you. It's just another way to directly connect a pair of Beolabs (20 for instance), if the user wants it.
yes, I know Peter Pan's thread, one of the most informative Beoworkd thread to me, even if I don't understand Danish!!!
I hope you were not hurt by my words, it was just an exaggeration I made to make you realize the way I see your position about every new product we discuss on Beoworld!
'It's just another way to directly connect a pair of Beolabs (20 for instance),'
What makes you think, that this would be a better option?
If I may ask?
a) Because if I had a 2000€-Beosound and a 8000€-pair of Beolabs, I would consider (maybe it's wrong, but I would need to listen to it) that the DAC in the 8000€ speaker may be better than the DAC in the 2000€ soundsystem
b) Because frequently we hear of people having parasite noise coming from their Beolabs. By using a digital connexion instead of an analog one to transfer the signal over long distance, that problem should be solved for 99% of people
Millemissen:'It's just another way to directly connect a pair of Beolabs (20 for instance),' What makes you think, that this would be a better option? If I may ask? MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Dom
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