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KingOfSnake: I would argue that whoever says v1 is not ugly don't know good design if it hit them in the face. Decisions are usually reached on the balance of opinions from forum members - personally I might have advocated the MK3 but that doesn't make my view right and Moxxey's wrong, just heads-and-tail of the very same coin.
I would argue that whoever says v1 is not ugly don't know good design if it hit them in the face.
Decisions are usually reached on the balance of opinions from forum members - personally I might have advocated the MK3 but that doesn't make my view right and Moxxey's wrong, just heads-and-tail of the very same coin.
That was an odd twist that I of course welcome you to take .
Don't really agree that "Decicions are usually reached on the balance of opinions". If I like a product and 75% of the members here don't? I would still like the product because of my personal taste, I don't want group pressure to push me to a certain opinion.
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Nice arguement! Post pics of your V1 when you get it please!!!!
jkhamler: Thanks Mawheele, I appreciate your (seemingly knowledgable and rational) comebacks to those (seemingly biased/opinionated comments) on the BV7-M3!
Thanks Mawheele, I appreciate your (seemingly knowledgable and rational) comebacks to those (seemingly biased/opinionated comments) on the BV7-M3!
Biased and opinionated? I owned two MKIII's for over two years. I'm in as good position as anybody to give an opinion on the MKIII. If you want to ignore my opinion, fair enough. Don't come back on here and complain when your MKIII has a dark picture, particularly after you've seen just about any B&O TV produced after 2010.
Just because Mawheele offers a different opinion (as it's probably trying to justify his MKIII ownership), it doesn't mean he's right or wrong, either. I moved on from the MKIII and I can tell you the MKIII offers a relatively average picture. A 2012 £499 Samsung from your local TV store will offer a better picture.
Anyway, good luck with your choice.
Moxxey does know what he's talking about and I value his opinion as he has a lot of experience with B&O and lives the passion!
One of my flatmates bought a Samsung TV in 2009, and I know exactly what Moxxey means by the dark screen. Some films were so dark that they were barely watchable!!! My advice would be, be very very careful! Some showings were fine on it but others...
Paul W: Moxxey does know what he's talking about and I value his opinion as he has a lot of experience with B&O and lives the passion!
And I get quite angry/bad tempered too, which you can read in the John Lewis thread :)
I've had a lot of kit. I keep buying kit. I have my doubts at times, like the rest of us. But I don't go around say "it's great! I love it!" like some people do on the forum. A balanced opinion between what is good and less good, is healthy. Like I said in earlier posts, I wouldn't recommend a MKIII, having owned a MKII, two MKIIIs and a MKIV, but would recommend trying to save some more cash to find a pre-loved MKIV. There's a huge difference between the two. There's a reason why MKIII's are only £2000. However, I also get the impression that the original poster didn't want to hear that.
Thanks Moxxey. I didn't mean to wind you up - I guess I don't always respond to strong opinions very well ;) But I stand corrected. I appreciate your experience with the gear and input to this thread!
jkhamler: Thanks Moxxey. I didn't mean to wind you up
Thanks Moxxey. I didn't mean to wind you up
You didn't, don't worry. I don't really get wound up from forum discussions, mostly real life stuff that affects my posts! I'm in a bit of a strop today as I simply can't get young people interested in B&O. See the John Lewis thread for more of that.
Hopefully you make the right decision. It is a tricky one. The V1 is brand new, offers a great visual/audio experience, but some people love the BV7. I would see if I could get some more money together and get a MKIV though. The MKIII was B&Os first "proper HD" BV7 and the 1080p panel, particularly in the first MKIIIs, wasn't great. Maybe it was improved over the lifespan of the MKIII. That does happen. When I first bought the MKIV, for example, it broke after 6 months. The replacement was better again. Not significantly, but 10% sharper and brighter. Sometimes early adopters aren't always rewarded with the best experience!
Don't get upset Moxxey, my young crowd (mid to late 20s) are really liking the new B&O PLAY range. They love the BeoLit 12 & A8 Airplay very much! It's just the older BANG&OLUFSEN range that they are not really into but you know what, they are a young generation that spend very little time in their apartments and are constantly on the move... I think the thought of spending £10,000 on a pair of speakers would kill them! They (and myself included) love their little iPhones and demand to play their music from that :)
Paul W: Don't get upset Moxxey, my young crowd (mid to late 20s) are really liking the new B&O PLAY range. They love the BeoLit 12 & A8 Airplay very much!
Don't get upset Moxxey, my young crowd (mid to late 20s) are really liking the new B&O PLAY range. They love the BeoLit 12 & A8 Airplay very much!
Yes, they do. But getting them to buy it isn't another matter entirely. Paul, you're quite passionate we've seen, but you rarely pull the trigger :) A lot of people are interested, as you say, but when they come to pay £950 for an A3, they have second thoughts. Same with £2000 for a V1. Interested yes, active purchasers? No.
Yes you are right Moxxey. Being honest, BANG&OLUFSEN are no longer in my price range anymore. I know that i'd never have the money to buy say the beautiful BV10 etc because I love travel and like all of us, there is only so far our money will go, and i'd rather spend it on holidays and clothes etc.
But the B&O PLAY range is our price range with a bit of saving. But i'm careful, I saved for one whole year to buy my Century and saved hard to buy a DVD1 thinking it would be the best way to play DVDs but it turned out to be a very poor performing expensive product. I also owned a BV6 which I thought was absolutely superb!
Im saving for either the BeoLit 12 or A8 Airplay but again, it's not something that I can do with a months salary ;)
I think I'm an example of what you are describing - I love the V1-40 but just can't bring myself to pull the trigger. £1500-1800 then sure, I would have ordered one straight up. But £2500 is just that bit too far out of the comfort zone - personally speaking!
Paul W:Don't get upset Moxxey, my young crowd (mid to late 20s) are really liking the new B&O PLAY range. They love the BeoLit 12 & A8 Airplay very much! It's just the older BANG&OLUFSEN range that they are not really into but you know what, they are a young generation that spend very little time in their apartments and are constantly on the move...
Don't worry Paul, everybody gets old.
When I was that age, I usually stayed at work until 9pm or went to the bar, simply because there was nothing to do at home. Once you get closer to 40, all you do is look forward to getting home. Nothing beats the prospect of a nice glass of wine, putting your feet up and fondling a Beo4, controlling the music that is coming out of something that is good to look at, and most certainly is not a little iPhone
--mika
Hehe Mika! Good one! Mine will have to be coffee though as I don't drink alcohol
Paul W: Yes you are right Moxxey. Being honest, BANG&OLUFSEN are no longer in my price range anymore. I know that i'd never have the money to buy say the beautiful BV10 etc because I love travel and like all of us, there is only so far our money will go, and i'd rather spend it on holidays and clothes etc.
No problem with that! Life is about getting the right balance. You should definitely travel, holiday and so on. One of the downsides of your late 30s, settling down, kids etc, is that it becomes somewhat harder to travel, get away on holidays like you did in your 20s. Make the most of it.
No point buying a £10,000 TV and sitting around at home every night watching mindless TV with a top-notch picture :) Movies are generally getting so poor these days that the "experience" isn't made much better with a BV7-55 over a V1. I'd rather use the money to get a holiday upgrade.
moxxey:Just because Mawheele offers a different opinion (as it's probably trying to justify his MKIII ownership), it doesn't mean he's right or wrong, either. I moved on from the MKIII and I can tell you the MKIII offers a relatively average picture. A 2012 £499 Samsung from your local TV store will offer a better picture.
Not sure about these nasty and ill assumed side snipes.
If we all took this very straightforward view, then may I make a recommendation; go and buy a Samsung ES8000. Its 2-3 model years ahead of the panel in the BV10-46 and a model year ahead of that in the V1. Brighter, faster motion rate, consumes less power, improved multi dimming, broader viewing angles, wider colour gamut and tons more connected features. Oh and this is only £1600. Those is the FACTS.
Lets stop the cat fighting please and balance the technology arguments and place them in context of a complete package; materials, integration etc. AFter all, that is why we purchased B&O.
Perhaps the best thing is to ignore the silly remarks and visit a showroom and see for yourself.
mawheele: Perhaps the best thing is to ignore the silly remarks...
Perhaps the best thing is to ignore the silly remarks...
Interesting balanced reply.
Funny how you regard as "silly" opinions from users who have owned, used and had the pain of owning a MKIII (with all the software issues that plagued this TV).
Let's just agree to differ. Having owned and used two MKIIIs, the quality of the picture is average at best. I'm sticking with this and it's a comment plenty of other people have made on this forum. FACTS. Recommending this is folly. It's like taking a big hit on picture quality, which is the primary reason for a purchase. It will lead to disappointment. However, you keep on recommending it if you like.
I just bought a 46es8000 for my bedroom - the picture is staggering.
Moxxey is quite correct - b&o really need to up their game - big time.
You could get 4 of these tv's for the price of a bv10 - lol
Flappo: Moxxey is quite correct - b&o really need to up their game - big time.
Hold on, that's not what I said :) I'm happy with my BV10-46. Sure, it's expensive and I probably wouldn't buy it brand new again now (£8K is a lot of money), but it's a decent TV which "only" cost me £2000 after trading in my old BV7. As I've said before, I don't mind paying £2K-£3K every couple or so years to trade up my old B&O TV. Try doing that with the 46es8000 in two years. You'll be lucky if someone offers you £100, Flappo!
This discussion ended up arguing the merits/faults of an old BV7-40 MKIII, especially the early versions. Of course, they don't come any where near a modern BV10-46 or your new 46es8000.....but then the MKIII is about four years old!
Flappo:I just bought a 46es8000 for my bedroom - the picture is staggering.
Congrats on your new Samsung. This years model really sees the first mature/robust implementation of LED backlit panels (with considerably less bleed or smokey screen.) If I were in the market, this is the model I'd buy. Did you buy some speakers - which ones?
The BV10 will be a consideration in the near future... its due a chassis upgrade and a resetting of its price - both of which are coming sometime in the future. The market demands 3D in the price range.
Buy a brand new B&O tv if you can, and like Moxxey says every 2-3 just pay what you'd normally pay for a "normal" brand by trading it in. If not get a Mk3-4 7 or one of the 10's knocking about are great.
The V1 offers a new product, great sound and picture, but could ever come home to it and really smile that it's in your living room?
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Chris Townsend: The V1 offers a new product, great sound and picture, but could ever come home to it and really smile that it's in your living room?
I'll also add that the BV10-46 - with coloured frets (currently red) - is the only B&O device apart from the BS8 (again, with coloured frets) that attracts attention from non-B&O friends. As much as I liked my BV7, few people mentioned the TV. With the BV10-46, it receives a number of positive comments. Strangely, although I feel the orange fret is somewhat OTT, most people remark that it's their favourite fret (I have red, orange, black and silver frets).
I have the life-size poster (to evaluate the size, positioning) of the BV12 on the wall behind the BV10-46 and not one single person has said that I should ditch the BV10 and upgrade to the BV12. Proves how successful the BV10 design has been and I'm happy I moved across from my old BV7.
I bought the tv plus a yamaha aventage 810 amp , tannoy mercury custom c1 speakers ( 7 ) + sub on special stands with cable , cambridge audio blu ray ( amazing bit of kit ) , a new ipad 3 64gb , an apple tv , a tricked out mac mini ( ssd+hd , the lot ) to plug into it , a sat box for the mac to record and the whole lot came to less than a bv10 46 ! Probably half ! LOL
Plus the tv has built in freeview HD and freesat HD that you can record from with a usb hard disk !
I gave my old sony 40w2000 to my dad and he gave his 32 sony to my brother - no wasteage in our house !
I was going to get a bv7 to replace our ageing but still superb avant for the front room for xmas , but after seeing this tv , it's getting hard to justify.
The problem is Flappo that although your system is from a financial and maybe technical outlook sensible, it poses other present and future questions.
In 2-3 years time when inevitably technology moves on, and being male we all have that constant gene that drives us to have the best, your TV will be virtually worthless although not redundant. Try trading that in?
You will need a controller for the Cambridge Blu Ray player, 1 for the Apple TV, another for the Sat box, 1 for the Amp and another finally for the TV itself.
My 10-46 can be controlled by the indestructible, flexible East German of an athlete controller, the Beo4(and a Beo6 cough). That includes a Sky Box, PS3 and Apple TV. It doesn't look like Jodrell bank either with all it's cable and wires everywhere.
Mine is say the B&O Beoworld way, yours is the conventional way that to be honest, is more suited to be posted on AV Forums etc.
Austin Powers: I bought the tv plus a yamaha aventage 810 amp , tannoy mercury custom c1 speakers ( 7 ) + sub on special stands with cable
I bought the tv plus a yamaha aventage 810 amp , tannoy mercury custom c1 speakers ( 7 ) + sub on special stands with cable
Yeah Baby!!
The tv actually controls anything you connect via a pretty little Ir blaster ( all wireless )
http://www.stuff.tv/review/samsung-ue55es8000 Samsung ES8000 – IR Blaster
In case your other equipment feels left out, Samsung supplies something it calls an 'IR Blaster' in the box. This allows any kit connected to your TV – your Sky box, say or a Blu-ray player – to be operated via voice or gesture recognition too. Saying a number to your Sky box and having it switch channels is more satisfying than you'd think.i
It also has universal remote control built in ,; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCZewHe4bSg
And the voice activated remote is a pretty little thing too ; http://www.techradar.com/news/television/samsung-voice-controlled-universal-remote-revealed-1061646
Shame that some of this didn't rub off on bno's technical dept. when samsung were involved with them , isn't it ?
I'm glad you enjoy your beo4 , it doesn't even have a backlight , lol.
Chris Townsend: The problem is Flappo that although your system is from a financial and maybe technical outlook sensible, it poses other present and future questions. In 2-3 years time when inevitably technology moves on, and being male we all have that constant gene that drives us to have the best, your TV will be virtually worthless although not redundant. Try trading that in? You will need a controller for the Cambridge Blu Ray player, 1 for the Apple TV, another for the Sat box, 1 for the Amp and another finally for the TV itself. My 10-46 can be controlled by the indestructible, flexible East German of an athlete controller, the Beo4(and a Beo6 cough). That includes a Sky Box, PS3 and Apple TV. It doesn't look like Jodrell bank either with all it's cable and wires everywhere.
Unfortunately, I think a combination of Apple's TV product -whenever it arrives - and B&O realising they need to reposition the BV10 in the product line will impact all TV residual values in the coming 18 months. None of us are imune I'm afraid.
Check out that Samsung - if its a contest on picture quality and technical capabilities then unfortunately there is no current B&O product able to compare.