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Hey guys,
I just wanted to bring to your attention the first B&O Play V1 review. They reviewed the V1-40, and were very impressed with it.
The design, picture and especially the sound are amazing. The only small negative is some input lag for gaming.
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Ma2T: I just wanted to bring to your attention the first B&O Play V1 review. They reviewed the V1-40, and were very impressed with it.
That's a very good review. I hope B&O's marketing dept make use of some of the quotes from this and other reviews.
"The V1′s audio was so crisp and rich, with such clarity along with deep bass. As I cranked the volume up expecting to hear it strain and lose quality…it didn’t. I must admit I spend a good amount of time just listening and enjoying the rich quality of the sound before I even go to the video side of things. I guess this is why Bang & Olufsen themselves say, “Actually we insist that TVs are just great speakers with a relatively large display!”."
That just makes me melt . I very much look forward to delivery of my V1-40. I have tried not to try it out to much in the store so I really don't know how the menues work or how the sound sounds like. I wan't to be surprised at home rather than in a store.
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I totally agree. I am pretty certain I am going to order a new V1-40 and I can't wait to learn how to use all of the clever features from the comfort of home :)
I have managed to assemble a collection of BeoLabs worthy of the TV - 8000s, 6000s and a 2... hopefully these will work well! Are you going to be running yours standalone Michael or with extra speakers?
Jon
jkhamler: I totally agree. I am pretty certain I am going to order a new V1-40 and I can't wait to learn how to use all of the clever features from the comfort of home :) I have managed to assemble a collection of BeoLabs worthy of the TV - 8000s, 6000s and a 2... hopefully these will work well! Are you going to be running yours standalone Michael or with extra speakers? Jon
Hi Jon! Nice to hear I'm not the only one who wants the seller to stop demonstrating ;) (just kidding). I am going to use my V1 in the bedroom.
Wanted a quality tv with extraordinary sound quality. Mostly I watch frasier before I go to sleep but also like to watch TV or a movie while working on my laptop in bed. I know it sounds strange but I like it :). Also to play music or rent movies with an Apple TV. I think I will rip all my frasier, will&grace and all other series to a NAS-server so I can look at whatever I want without the need of a optical disc player.
I am probably going to use it without extra speakers but I have thought about perhaps a pair of white BOSE-speakers wich I have in storage and a BeoLink Passive, or perhaps Beolab 4000 or something else. But I think it is better to keep the electronics to a minimum in the bedroom :).
//Michael
I couldn't agree more on lack of electronics in the bedroom - they stress me out! I have a bed and a shelf and nothing more - that's minimalism for you (also known as a chronic lack of space)
As my V1 will be the living room/only TV in the house I plan on maxing out the connections and using the media player to the full - I hope it's nice and easy to use!
I mentioned on another thread that the V1 would make a great bedroom/link set and I'd certainly think about getting one if I could work out how to access my sky+ box to play live and recorded programmes.
Anyone got any bright ideas - the only thing I could think of was to use a lintronic/ir sender to main room and then feedback to V1 via normal aerial co-ax which is insitu (ie soln as acessing any non B&O set via the beo4).
jkhamler: I couldn't agree more on lack of electronics in the bedroom - they stress me out! I have a bed and a shelf and nothing more - that's minimalism for you (also known as a chronic lack of space) As my V1 will be the living room/only TV in the house I plan on maxing out the connections and using the media player to the full - I hope it's nice and easy to use!
Same here, less is more is my philosophy.
I understand that you want to max it out and I would do that also :). Will probably use the media-solution alot too!
So does anybody want my BeoCenter 2 which will become redundant for me very soon? ;)
Pestria: I mentioned on another thread that the V1 would make a great bedroom/link set and I'd certainly think about getting one if I could work out how to access my sky+ box to play live and recorded programmes. Anyone got any bright ideas - the only thing I could think of was to use a lintronic/ir sender to main room and then feedback to V1 via normal aerial co-ax which is insitu (ie soln as acessing any non B&O set via the beo4).
I am not living in UK so I am not familiar with sky+ but can't you get a box for your bedroom also? Sending quality video/audio across rooms is hard and/or expensive. Sending the resulting feed over coax would only get you low quality TV and sending IR to another room might give strange results (if the box is on when the bedroom tv is off it probably will switch the box off).
If your subscription is based on a smart card, perhaps you can use a card splitter to be able to use your subscription on more than one tv without having to take the card with you?
jkhamler: So does anybody want my BeoCenter 2 which will become redundant for me very soon? ;)
It looks like a V1 shaped hole on the AV cabinet.... would you agree?
jkhamler:It looks like a V1 shaped hole on the AV cabinet.... would you agree?
I meant the thing clearly missing from that setup is the V1 ;)
jkhamler: I meant the thing clearly missing from that setup is the V1 ;)
Ah, absolutely :). Get rid of BC2 and put the V1 on that thing asap :)
I know I must :( I'm really having to psyche myself up to spend this much on what is essentially a toy! I have a modest salary and the other gear was acquired piece by piece at bargain prices, often by picking up a lot and selling off the unwanted stuff....
Some positives after 1 week:
Some negatives:
Some negatives that REALLY annoy me:
Hero71: Some positives after 1 week: Some negatives: Some negatives that REALLY annoy me:
Interesting to hear from someone who already have the TV. May I ask which size you have and which color? I am disappointed that the plastic cover doesnt work better. I hope that it is adjustable and that B&O otherwise can give us new covers because it is unacceptable if it doesnt fit properly.
I am waiting to use my spare Apple TV with the tv and how weird that beo4 cant scroll(hold button). I can even do this with my samsung tv-remote via apple tv´s learning remote-feature (doesnt work with beo4 unfortunately). I think there are a few different PUCs for apple products. I don't think you/we should need to use our iPhones to control it since it is marketed to be useable with puc and Apple TV
What do you think about the built in speakers?
Did you buy a coloured speaker cover? According to my retailer they cost about 1500 swedish crowns (~€160/~130£) I think it is too expensive for such a small gimmick.
Michael,
I have a 40" black version (it's not actually black but anthracite grey). The "black" version is very smudge sensitive. Below a picture, as you can see with a red speaker cover. Without a color, the black version appears very massive, I believe it to be a nice touch. I previously owned a Beovision 3 (which had a RED cover by default). It's the same red but it's very subtle.
At the level of the hinges I did notice some painting issues. See below.
As for the Apple TV, you can scroll using the Beo4 remote. My point is that there is a delay between the time that you press a button on the Beo4 and the moment that the attached device actually receives the command. We are talking 1/2 second. This is acceptable if you need to change to channel 3 on your set top box: you press 3 on the Beo4 and 1/2 second later the set top box changes channel. This is not acceptable when you expect a direct response, for example when scrolling. If I want to move 3 items downwards on my Apple TV, I can quickly press 3 consecutive times on the down button on the Apple remote and it reacts instantly. This is not the case on the Beo4, you have to take into account this 1/2 second delay. Because the Apple TV is basically all about scrolling and responsiveness, this delay quickly becomes VERY annoying.
As for the sound. My previous television sets were an MX8000 and a Beovision 3. The V1 does not match up in the sound department (it would in combination with a Beolab 11) but on it's own, it still outperformes any flat screen tv speaker I heard so far.
H
Hero71: My point is that there is a delay between the time that you press a button on the Beo4 and the moment that the attached device actually receives the command. We are talking 1/2 second. This is acceptable if you need to change to channel 3 on your set top box: you press 3 on the Beo4 and 1/2 second later the set top box changes channel.
My point is that there is a delay between the time that you press a button on the Beo4 and the moment that the attached device actually receives the command. We are talking 1/2 second. This is acceptable if you need to change to channel 3 on your set top box: you press 3 on the Beo4 and 1/2 second later the set top box changes channel.
Some settopboxes are receiving to much ir-light. Like my BM800HD. A small piece of thin white paper between the ir-eye and settopbox could solve this. Or isn't there a ir-eye used for Apple TV?
Michael, the paint issue is really small but it should not occur. Not demanding a refund but i asked the dealer to inform B&O so they can fix it. Choosing a color is very personal. I did not like the white one because it is a very prominent color (and the hinges are more visible as well). As for the sound, I wouldn't worry too much. it sounds great on its own, it sounds fantastic with a bl11. Would not opt for a bl2. Evaluate and if you feel that it could use some more punch, ask your dealer if you can have a bl11 on trial.
Beobuddy: Some settopboxes are receiving to much ir-light. Like my BM800HD. A small piece of thin white paper between the ir-eye and settopbox could solve this. Or isn't there a ir-eye used for Apple TV?
Apple TV has an ir-eye. How do you stick paper in between and keep the eye sticking?
Hero71: Michael, the paint issue is really small but it should not occur. Not demanding a refund but i asked the dealer to inform B&O so they can fix it. Choosing a color is very personal. I did not like the white one because it is a very prominent color (and the hinges are more visible as well). As for the sound, I wouldn't worry too much. it sounds great on its own, it sounds fantastic with a bl11. Would not opt for a bl2. Evaluate and if you feel that it could use some more punch, ask your dealer if you can have a bl11 on trial.
I see, that was a good reaction from you I think :). I think it looks good in both colors and I think it depends a lot on where it should go. I told my retailer that I was interested in bl11 but I am afraid to try it at home (I know I will keep it then ).
It looks very nice and thanks for the tip!
Another very positive review from Pocket Lint (although the first added comment is not very complimentary!)
Graham
Hero71: Some positives after 1 week: Top notch sound processor. My BL8000's sound better than before. You do have to make use of the sound modes because they have a serious impact. I have never seen this amount of sound settings on any consumer product. Some negatives: Settings menu can be overwhelming in the beginning. Manuals (both the quick guide, the normal guide and the sound specification guide) do not explain everything there is to know. For example: speaker groups. They briefly explain what it is, but there are settings here that are not explained in any manual.
Hi,
Thanks for the kind words about the sound quality and the Sound Modes
Could you be more specific about what is NOT explained about the Speaker Groups in the manuals? I'm surprised that these issues are not covered in the Technical Sound Guide (available as a PDF from the website).
Cheers
-geoff
vikinger: Another very positive review from Pocket Lint (although the first added comment is not very complimentary!)
That's not really a review. It's just an extended news piece from the launch (note the date - 4 May) and they say "We'll have a much better idea about the video performance too when we review one soon."
When we write news stories for our various tech websites, we often get complaints that the "review" isn't detailed enough. They fail to see it's actually just extended news/hands-on and not an actual rated review.
moxxey: vikinger: Another very positive review from Pocket Lint (although the first added comment is not very complimentary!) That's not really a review. It's just an extended news piece from the launch (note the date - 4 May) and they say "We'll have a much better idea about the video performance too when we review one soon." When we write news stories for our various tech websites, we often get complaints that the "review" isn't detailed enough. They fail to see it's actually just extended news/hands-on and not an actual rated review.
Well I read that as a review from something that they had actually attended, playing with the TV. The reference to the review at the end was, I thought, a reference to the 32".
Geoff Martin: Hi, Thanks for the kind words about the sound quality and the Sound Modes Could you be more specific about what is NOT explained about the Speaker Groups in the manuals? I'm surprised that these issues are not covered in the Technical Sound Guide (available as a PDF from the website). Cheers -geoff
I was under the impression that some descriptions of the bass manangement where missing but after double checking I did found an explenation for them in the technical sound guide.
My apologies for this, I have adjusted my original post accordingly.
Is there any way to revert bass management settings to their default values? My dealer changed the crossover frequency to 150Hz and I would like to try and compare what impact this really has compared to the default setting.
Jan
Hero71: Is there any way to revert bass management settings to their default values? My dealer changed the crossover frequency to 150Hz and I would like to try and compare what impact this really has compared to the default setting.
Hi Jan,
The Bass Management settings are determined based on your Speaker Types in a given Speaker Group. To force the parameters to re-calculate, I believe that you could either
- add a dummy speaker to the group, save, then go back in and remove it
or
- delete and re-create your group
But, to be honest, I'm not certain that the first of these will work. If you want to try it out before I get back to work on Monday, please feel free and let me know if it works.
What was the thinking behind changing the crossover to 150 Hz? What speakers do you have?
If you're trying to clean up problems around the Xover frequency due (possibly) to placement, you might have better success playing with the allpass filter in the Subwoofer menu instead of changing the Xover frequency. The easiest way to adjust that is to just put on a track that you know well (I typically use a stereo track with Bass Management on and TrueImage Upmixing off for this) and, while you're listening to it, scroll slowly upwards in frequency on that allpass filter. This might be helpful.
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Geoff Martin: What was the thinking behind changing the crossover to 150 Hz? What speakers do you have?
Geoff,
He did not explain why he made these adjustments.. The subwoofer output was raised to +3db and he changed the xover frequency to 150Hz. I have BL8000's. No rear speakers.
Hero71: He did not explain why he made these adjustments.. The subwoofer output was raised to +3db and he changed the xover frequency to 150Hz. I have BL8000's. No rear speakers.
What subwoofer do you have? Or are you bass managing to the 8k's?
An adjustment of +/-3 dB on any speaker is not unusual to compensate for room or speaker placement. In fact, I have never seen a setup that didn't require some level adjustment on that magnitude.
Geoff Martin: Hero71: He did not explain why he made these adjustments.. The subwoofer output was raised to +3db and he changed the xover frequency to 150Hz. I have BL8000's. No rear speakers. What subwoofer do you have? Or are you bass managing to the 8k's? An adjustment of +/-3 dB on any speaker is not unusual to compensate for room or speaker placement. In fact, I have never seen a setup that didn't require some level adjustment on that magnitude. Cheers -geoff
I have a BL11
Hero71:I have a BL11
I've been thinking about your options.
One possibly interesting thing to try is the following:
- Make a new speaker group with the same Speaker Types, Speaker Roles, Speaker Distances, and Speaker Levels as the one you currently have.
. Set the Bass Mangement Crossover Frequency to 120 Hz (the default for your setup)
Now, you can play with one of the two speaker groups and switch back and forth between them quickly (using Speaker + NUMBER on the remote) to compare. Adjust the one you prefer to taste.
The nice thing about this method is that you can hear where you came from and where you wound up, so you have a sort of master "undo" button.
BTW: I checked regarding my idea for resetting the bass management calculations by adding and deleting a speaker. That won't do the trick. Sorry.
FlatpanelsHD has a review coming up:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1338794566
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Bump!
More user experiences would be greatly appreciated.
Although I'd be using it primarily as a 5.1 processor from a Comcast HD box, I'd also like to know the best way to route the output of my BM7000 through it for CD, phono and FM without loss of sound quality vs the PL output currently enjoyed from the BM7000 which is feeding 2 BL3's via a BL11 and M70's in the rear powered by an ML/MCL.
Thanks!.