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Hi guys,
I've got a complete IR code converter kit and a MCL82 kit, how do I wire all this together to enable multi-room functionality with the Beomaster 8000?
Lee
That is in the IR code converter manual as far as I know.
Have you looked?
What I think is the Beolab kit is that IR converter box that you and I got.
Now I only need that 2.5 mm blue IR thing before I got the complete kit as you did.
What I get is that the MCL on the code converter box should go to MCL on the tranciver MCL82 box and your item 5 which is a 8 plug on one end for the code converter MCL input and 2 speaker out left/right on the other should connect it.
Then you have the second left and right speaker outputs on the Beomaster 8000 which should be connected to the code converter left and right on that thing that sticks out.
I hope this helps.
Yes but that is not for the Beomaster 8000 instructions!
In any case you connect the second speaker out puts on a Beomaster 8000 to the box.
You can connect either by MCL or that thing that sticks out.
Now it can be 2 ways in theory here and I say speaker 2 out to box thing that sticks out.
The other is to the MCL in.
Then you have 2 options for connecting to a MCL82 box.
One is MCL to the 2 speaker out on the MCL82.
The other is that thing that sticks out to MCL82 box.
But the beolab kit? I only seen it mentioned like you have several years ago and I am still clueless to what it is as much as you!
However that box got not only cd option but MCL!
I got that item 5 cable and though the diagram shows a little thing not as detailed that the MCL option is what makes that Beolab kit. The Beosystem 8000 was called Beolab 8000 back then!
But tell me one thing. What does the MCL option on the code converter box do? What B&O is it related to? If it was not for the Beolab 8000 system.
Lets look for a second on MCL2A.
The second output of a Beomaster/center to MCL2A box. Beovox/Beolab speakers and tranciver connects with mcl cable follows to the next box or expander.
This means second speaker outputs sends MCL signals out to work.
I have done this on a Beosystem 6500 and it works like that.
When it comes to a Beomaster 8000 it needs MCL to do multi room aka that mcl code converter box as mcl does not come from the speaker outputs.
So it needs to be connected to a mcl option which takes over.
2 pins must become 3 pin plugs for connecting the Beomaster 8000 to that code converter box.
It is still an option to do even if you are using the IR or cd option. It is there for something.
Now if you connect the 3 ping plugs on the code converter box and then the other end on the MCL82 then where do you put the other on the MCL82 with item 5?
And what about the empty MCL on the code converter box?
That thing that sticks out does it send out MCL signals out? Looking at it I see only speaker out or is speaker in?
MCL must go to speaker connection on the mcl 82 box with item 5. That is when the 3 pin contiue with MCL signal just as the later MCL2A.
I see the Beolab kit mentions 1006 and 1007. Could this be code converter box and special speaker cables?
How does 2 pin plug become 3 pin? That is the question I have right now.
I almost agree.
IR code converter out 3 pin DIN to MCL82. I can follow that. The end of item 5 does not fit a MCL82 box!
If it is 3 pin DIN to the speaker left/right on the MCL82 box then it would fit.
So what we need is to use item 5 cable with just 2 pin DINs?
Why does the IR code converter manual not mention that! It tells you to split a cable for another use but not to make item 5 into 2 pin DINs.
What is the correct way for item 5? I say MCL IR code converter out to MCL82 left and right speaker inputs. It then sends MCL data link on.
I was just looking at Beotech and it says that the MCL82 needs a minor change to work with a Beomaster 8000 and mentions a MCL manual for that. I only have 88/89 version so will take a look.
No sorry nothing in 88/89 mcl manual.
But lets look at the instructions:
Unplug the MCL cable with 3 pin plug speaker plugs from the sockets on the beolab kit, keeping track of left and right channel.
What do this mean?
It assumes that we have a MCL system allready installed. It does not say item 5 should be the one cable to unplug.
So MCL goes out from a MCL82 box number 1 and should be unplugged to make room for the MCL from the converter box. The unplugged cable goes through the link 1 or 2 being split to fit.
Using item 5 (cable with 8 pin DIN plug on one end and 2-3 pin speaker plugs on the other end), plug the other end of this cable into the socket on the code converter box marked MCL(last socket on the right).
So it looks like the Beolab kit is a MCL82 box or something. But here it clearly states MCL is send to the 1 MCL82 box and then send on with item 5 used. Also MCL on the IR code converter is should connect with item 5 the other with a MCL82 style box.
Next time I go to my B&O dealership I will ask them to figure this one out.
I said that my thinking is the Beolab kit is basically another name for the IR code converter.
But it might be that it is a MCL82 box with a modification to work with the Beomaster 8000 or Beolab 8000 system.
As you point out the speaker out puts on the normal MCL82 box are out going signals maybe it could be that the modification is inputs?
Going from MCL on the IR code converter (I will from now on refer to that and treat it as 2 boxes IR code converter and Beolab kit/Modified MCL82 box) according to the given instruction with item 5 would need inputs for that to work. MCL is going from the IR code converter.
No instructions are given to split the cable and go through link 1 or 2 instead in the MCL82 Beolab kit.
Maybe but those the speaker out on the IR code converter send MCL out too? If yes why a seperate plug called MCL on the box? You will need to send MCL to the first MCL82/Beolab kit box somehow!
What I have found is that a 1984 MCL book should have that MCL82/Beolab kit details we are missing. I will email later to my B&O dealer to see if such information is available.
What your MCL82 box has is the connecting cables from maybe Beomaster 5000 or something. In that case it will not work with the Beomaster 8000.
What do we really need?
Item 5 as stock and shown in the IR code converter manual.
Speaker cables for connecting Beomaster 8000 to IR code converter box.
MCL82/Beolab kit and or modification information
Now I start to agree more.
The signal will go from Beomaster 8000 speaker out puts then to IR code converter input and as the speaker is out that leaves the MCL as input.
Then it goes out as 3 pin DIN left/right to MCL82/Belab kit
I have send an email to my B&O dealer about information about that Beolab kit. Since this is not the code converter maybe they can provide it?
I have also send a message to a guy I found who has a MCL82 kit for sale and it could be the instruction mentions something about Beolab kit/Beomaster 8000.
Also the MCL82 box has 2 versions. One where you have link 1 and link 2 but also where you have only one link 1 hole.
I will keep trying to find information about it.
Any luck finding out what modifications are required to the MCL82 to allow it to work on the BM8000?
I emailed B&O but their engineers can't find any information :-(
Its in this document, if wanted PM me so I can mail a PDF.
//Bo.A long list...
For MCL82 you need the "MCL Beolab kit" which is not the same as the "IR Code converter"
They are.
Can you show me some evidence of this? I've spend many hours researching this and can find none.
As I see it in his picture they are separate boxes. Its also what one understand from the the document.
If they are separate boxes where does the IR code converter connect on that diagram....
The upper box is the code converter
The upper box is the MCL82...
As it is I am still waiting for answers from B&O on that Beolab kit subject.
I started early on to say that the IR code converter box would be the same as the Beolab kit.
As we can see from that Beolab kit box it has an IR led going out + a transformer!
Another factor is that the Beolab kit is not presented anywhere but the IR code converter does!
http://www.beoworld.org/beotech/mcl/mcl2-p09.htm
But looking at the Beotech link gives another order number for the Beolab kit than the IR code converter!
I agree with Lee that the upper box is a modified MCL82 box.
In theory or rather fact a Beomaster 8000 do not have MCL going out like the later Beomasters/Beocenter.
This means something has to convert the signal and the IR code converter has that option!
The IR code converter has 3 options in total. You can use a Beolink 1000/Beo4 to control your audio system and Beovision. You can control more than a CDX! It can take any 7 pin DIN Beogram CD and control it. Last but not least it also has an MCL converter option for those Beomaster that do not have such as the 6000/8000.
So as shown Beomaster 8000 speaker outputs go to MCL on the IR code converter box and out by the 3 pin speaker out put to the first MCL82 box.
Now the MCL82 kits does not mention the word Beolab kit or Beomaster 8000 at all. Some guy on Ebay had one for sale so I asked and he said 7002/7700 Beocenters where the ones mentioned.
The question is what that clearly stated modification is in the MCL82 box needed for it to work.
Otherwise the setupe is pretty basic and simple.
How far are you Lee in setting it up?
The MCL82 is not in the picture, It is supposed to be at the end of the wire going to the right (in the link room).
MCL Beolab kit have type numbers: 1006, 1007
MCL82 type 2041
Well they call it the MCL box.
MCL82 type 2041 does not give any information on how to use it with Beomaster 8000 or the term Beolab kit!
But if the the Beolab kit is not the IR code converter then what is it then?
It is a box
It needs a transformer
It got an IR led going out!
Something has to convert the signal to MCL
The speaker in and outs are presented on both sides! That does not fit in with a IR code converter!
I can follow your thinking with the upper box being the IR code converter but that IR led out + transformer thing does not really make sense to me.
The number given is for a MCL cable 3 meter in grey with 2*3 DIN plugs and 8 PIN DIN in the other end. Which fits your idea better than splitting that cable up to make it fit a Beomaster 8000 and change the plugs to 2 pin speaker out. No instructions are available from B&O to do that!
As you can see the MCL Beolab kit has connections on both sides. The IR converter has not.
Like Lee who got a IR code converter, cables and a Beomaster 8000 I am also doing plenty of research on this Beolab kit.
I just found a owner of one!
http://archivedarchivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/t/14788.aspx?PageIndex=2
Can we get in touch with David? Is he a member here?
David is still an active member!
I have contacted him!
I got a feeling we are getting closer to the Beolab kit.
I've got my BM8000 back (thanks for the great work Olly) and got the IR code converter working... happily using the Beo4 to control the Beomaster 8000.
I used a 1A 12V PSU from my old netgear router (remember positive is the sleeve on the IR box, so had to swap the + and - around). And a bog standard IR eye (off ebay) with a 3.5mm mono plug, had to use a 3.5 to 2.5mm mono converter and switch the positive and negative leads on the LED too.
I have my MCL82 set up in the next room with speakers attached, I just daren't connect it all together until we are certain.
Dave as in beowild? he's here http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/members/beowild/default.aspx
Yep the one he states his got a Beolab kit! And he has posted on your posts too Lee!