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MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
You beat me too it was just about to post the same thing!
Beoworld app with direct photo upload and emoticons.
I enjoyed watching it BUT I don't agree with anything in it! Simply because, it is aimed at one type of customer only and that is the traditional, older listener, which is fair enough but the first two minutes, I could not agree with a single thing that the guy was talking about. 11 year olds have iPhones now. It's their way of life. It's easy! I don't think that it's ever been so easy to access music now. That iPhone connects to your car, you can take it to the bathroom with you, you can stream it to your Bluetooth speaker, you can stream it to your TV. Sorry, but i've had so much music! We have DJ's who walk into the studio, have Pioneer Rekordbox app on their iPhone and simply connect the iPhone to the Pioneer CDJ players and do their whole evening show this way. There's also a huge number of late teens to 20/30 somethings that use SoundCloud and MixCloud music streaming apps which are nothing like Deezer for instance!
And I really don't agree with him when he said that the BeoSound 9000 was the best CD player ever. For me, thats the Pioneer CDJ range or early Technics models that were bomb proof! But hey, he's a sales guy making a video.
What you explain is how access to music today usually is scattered over multiple apps on devices, that are used for many other things, than just for experiencing music.
Some - and it seems that are amongst those - prefer that way of picking their music --- which is absolutely ok.
Others are fed up with trying out different 'solutions' and 'combinations of ways' to find, what they prefer to listen to. They want an easier access - and they want it from a device, that is dedicated for music. They don't want to push yet another button (the AirPlay- or bluetooth-one) and they don't want to have to activate a specific input on their audiosystem, before the music can be heard over their bigger speakers (and not just over the speaker of their mobile device).
The BeoSound Moment is, what B&O offers to those people!
From your point of view he might be 'the sales guy' - for others he is 'the guy, who explains', what was the reason for creating the BS Moment music solution.
As for the comment on 'the best CD player ever' ---- I am sure, that he was not talking about this from a technical point of view. He was talking more of the user aspect/the way of experiencing music at the time, when the physical disc was the prefered medium.
You don't want/need this kind of solution - obvisiously.
I am sure there will be other 'costumers', that will find this way of enjoying music rather intriguing?
Time will tell, if B&O had their finger on the pulse with this BeoSound.
- Flere
smile and enjoy the moment
Flere:Very good. I find this an enlightening talk about the concept B&O had in mind when developing the Moment. What I miss is the "make the music visible and accessible" part in the Moment which was referred to when talking about the BS9000. Now I try to use my Avant for that, as there is no digital BS9000 concept available. But it is rudimentary in terms of usability, not the excellence I hoped for. One keeps hoping on better software and apps. For instance, why does the BeoMusic app not work with the Avant? Is there a technical limitation, or is this just a marketing choice?
What I miss is the "make the music visible and accessible" part in the Moment which was referred to when talking about the BS9000.
Now I try to use my Avant for that, as there is no digital BS9000 concept available.
But it is rudimentary in terms of usability, not the excellence I hoped for.
One keeps hoping on better software and apps.
I really wish B&O would publish some sort of overall vision/plan of how and when it is all meant to come together into some sort of "whole"!
There's the (long) mentioned promise of Netlink (still to realise it's potential), Apps that work with some products and not others (and offer features not even included in it's latest "flagship" network audio player/streamer), meaning a multitude of interfaces offering different GUI's and features, not to mention the Beo4/Beo5/6 etc. Portable products that were all about Apple and have now swerved to Bluetooth. WISA but no multiroom player ........and so it goes on!
Either they are making it up as they are going along or else they are working to some genius masterplan (or, more likely, something inbetween).
All I'm asking is a glimpse into the future (not a wishlist mind you, but something based on the products already under development) that demonstrates all of this seemingly mish-mash haphazard product introduction will bloom into a fully featured, obsolescence proof "Masterlink system for the future", simply configurable and controllable with all features available on one single controller and at what point products available "today" will not be cast aside and become useless in this future of "oneness".
It's not too much to ask, is it????
Ban boring signatures!
Duels:But I would expect that to take at least six months from launch as I would for any new concept that is software-based.
Why?? Do you wait six months before buying a car in case the anti-lock brakes don't work or the air bags go off on their own? While it may be true that this is how B&O are operating I say it is unacceptable and shouldn't be allowed to become the norm!
It isn't inevitable and it shouldn't be acceptable!
"You think we can slap some oak on this thing?"
Duels:It is pretty inevitable actually. When I upgraded my iPad os (last major release) it was buggy as hell. A couple of point-releases later and it's settled down fine. First-out release of windows 8 wasn't any better. Some say still isn't. There's a reason Microsoft are going straight to windows10 and missing out 9. All software has bugs and no amount of testing pre-release can truly simulate or replicate real world use by thousands or millions of people. You never really know how it works until people start using it. The beauty of it is you can constantly upgrade, improve and debug it. B&O aren't alone here.
You never really know how it works until people start using it. The beauty of it is you can constantly upgrade, improve and debug it.
B&O aren't alone here.
It isn't inevitable at all!! There is a "Geek" culture that seems happy to put up with it, as long as their phone or computer is upgraded to the "latest" every six months or so however it is not acceptable in space probes that have to travel for years to their target, it is not acceptable in real time safety systems.
Operating bugs may be inevitable, but releasing software or systems that don't meet user requirements is not!
Can I suggest you Google "upgrading space probe software".
Duels: Can I suggest you Google "upgrading space probe software".
Lots of testing on the ground first. Some later tweaks in flight. Some notable failures.
Nothing to contradict Puncher's general point on thorough testing.
Graham
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One of the hardest things to get people to understand, even s/w types (new ones with no real experience yet especially) is the concept of regression testing. When you change something, anything, in a piece of software, you have to go back and retest every single function and condition over again to make sure you haven't bollixed something up. Everyone thinks, oh, it's just a small change, a minor correction, I can just slip it in and ship. Then in the field something that appears totally unconnected to the change explodes on you and you understand exactly why regression testing is essential. And this is why software development is expensive, that and documentation and configuration control. Hardware is much easier.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
I really liked this video overall, the explanation for the inception of the Moment, the raison d'être, makes perfect sense to me, and I think it will resonate with many others.
Based on that alone, I'm the perfect customer for the Moment. I have a TON of music, but end up listening to only a small fraction of it, and I don't want to play a part in that "randomness." (apart from the mood wheel).
Once the software is ironed out, I pretty much know the Moment will be the next significant addition to my B&O setup.
Sal: I really liked this video overall, the explanation for the inception of the Moment, the raison d'être, makes perfect sense to me, and I think it will resonate with many others. Based on that alone, I'm the perfect customer for the Moment. I have a TON of music, but end up listening to only a small fraction of it, and I don't want to play a part in that "randomness." (apart from the mood wheel). Once the software is ironed out, I pretty much know the Moment will be the next significant addition to my B&O setup.
I feel the same, but I want multi room and a way to salvage my ML that doesn't cost a fortune.
Jeff: I feel the same, but I want multi room and a way to salvage my ML that doesn't cost a fortune.
I hope that B&O doesn't dilly dally with SW updates, and they will be significant and frequent. Hopefully by now, employees at the mothership have heard the cries from their user base about the shortcomings of the Moment's launch. Who knows how many purchases have been stifled at the outset because of that.
Jeff:... but I want multi room and a way to salvage my ML that doesn't cost a fortune.
I was this week in Switzerland to a big local Bang & Olufsen store.
The seller was very competent and professional. He explained me much.
He told me that he didn't sale one unit of the BeoSound Moment.
I had the feeling he didn't want to sale the unit.
He recommended me to wait until summer for the upcoming update.
He said to me frankly the BeoSound Moment have too much problems with softwares.
Either, he is shocking that Bang & Olufsen can sale now this unfinished product.
I appreciated his outspokenness.
According to those, who have lived with it for now 4-6 weeks, the BS Moment is not an unfinished product.
It is a nice audioplayer, that will improve over time and will be able to take part in a multiroom setup (for those who want/need that) with the updates coming this summer.
Maybe the dealer did not have the patience to experiece the Moment, and/or is focusing too much on the multiroom capacities.
Millemissen: According to those, who have lived with it for now 4-6 weeks, the BS Moment is not an unfinished product. It is a nice audioplayer, that will improve over time and will be able to take part in a multiroom setup (for those who want/need that) with the updates coming this summer. Maybe the dealer did not have the patience to experiece the Moment, and/or is focusing too much on the multiroom capacities. MM
I get your point - but I was just trying to figure out, why he did not sell any.
P.S. What is not good for you, can be good for others - and vice versa.
Millemissen: ...Maybe the dealer did not have the patience to experiece the Moment, and/or is focusing too much on the multiroom capacities
Millemissen:According to those, who have lived with it for now 4-6 weeks, the BS Moment is not an unfinished product. It is a nice audioplayer, that will improve over time and will be able to take part in a multiroom setup (for those who want/need that) with the updates coming this summer.
Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen: Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom: M3 Homeoffice: M3, Beocom 2 Library: Beosound Emerge, Beocom 6000 Bedroom: M5, Essence remote Travel: Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay EQ, Beoplay Earset
I have the same opinion. Its already a very fine player now, who will be totally complete once Multiroom appears.
There must be something wrong with that Swiss dealer, is he really so capable as he is trying to tell you for such a easy setup as the Moment is. Better let him do some home control, the MLGW... that's probably a lot easier to install and configure for him.
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
Puncher:doesn't alter the fact that he hasn't sold one! If its not want people want they wont buy it, no matter how many times you tell us how great it is!
Oh, I could also easily alter customers thoughts if I was B&O dealer with BS5 & BM5 stock lying around. It would also better my sales figures by the end of the month.
Chris: Puncher:doesn't alter the fact that he hasn't sold one! If its not want people want they wont buy it, no matter how many times you tell us how great it is! Oh, I could also easily alter customers thoughts if I was B&O dealer with BS5 & BM5 stock lying around. It would also better my sales figures by the end of the month.
It was clear then, and it seems that B&O now agree, that the BS5/BM5 combo wasn't the answer either. I suspect the sweet spot is actually something inbetween, a better looking, more "B&O like" portable controller than the Moment combining all of it's current features with more conventional library navigation and management features for those that want it. There should be no features available on phone apps etc. that are not available from the Moment itself.
When the BS5 was released I said it should have been a beautiful, modern day MCP with full and extensive control over my system and my music library. Years later, I'm still waiting!
me too...
me Too..
StUrrock:me too...
It had some tactile interaction that the wooden device lacks. I was tempted but the amount of installation with NAS etc described by the dealer was all too much for me. The learning ability promised by the Moment sounds good but the dealer tells me he doesn't want to sell it as it's not ready. Spotify and Beolit 15 is it for the moment then....
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Olive One.
vikinger:Olive One.
BeoBoy68:Not for me. BeoSound Essence MkII with an iPad mini is the best choice. It is a lightweight and reliable solution. BeoLit 12 édition blanche .... The Boom Boom Box