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Beolink NL/ML configuration help

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doun Posted: Fri, Apr 3 2015 9:44 PM

Dear all,

I have the following configuration. Please refer to the image below.

I need you help to configure the Beolink NL/ML. Mainly I want to have the sound of the Beovision 11 in the Beolink passive.

1. Which ML role must be set-up?

2. Which option shall be set for the Beovision 8? (V.opt?, A.opt?, L.opt?) (Which number?)

3. Which option shall be set for the Beolink passive? (V.opt?, A.opt?, L.opt?) (Which number?)

4. How do I need to set the "experience mapped to NL" panel? 

5. How must the Beovision be configured?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Didier

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doun replied on Sat, Apr 4 2015 12:28 PM

Hello,

I solved a big part of my issue by adding a Beolink Converter 1611 on the ML side. Now I can listen to music from my Beovision 11 on the Beolink passive. But I still have a issue.

Is it possible to listen to a audio source from the Beovision 11 (for example DVD) on the Beolink passive and in the same time watching in different source (V.mem) on the Beovision 11 ?

I am not able for the moment to reach that goal. What are the settings I have to set on the BLC NL/ML and what is the option I need to set on the Beolink passive?

 

Thanks for your help.

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mjmedlo replied on Sat, Apr 4 2015 6:22 PM
I don't know that you'll be able to do that.
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doun replied on Sat, Apr 4 2015 8:02 PM

Thanks for your answer.

I was able to do it with my old Beovision 7 but I was only in ML. Perhaps you are right, it is not possible to do it with the BLC NL/ML.

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Raeuber replied on Sun, Apr 5 2015 5:05 PM
I am very bad surprised about your experience with the NL/ML converter. I always thought that with this converter a new BS4-based BV (Avant, BV 11) would work like a BS3-based BV in a Masterlink environment.

I use a BV 7 as videomaster in my masterlink setup. If a source is used at BV 7 it is a key feature for me to get access to another source of BV 7 (inbuilt or directly connected) from my linkrooms with masterlinked BVs or Beolink passive/active. I use this feature every day. If this doesn't work with the converter anymore it would be worthless for me and I wouldn't have a chance to replace my BV 7 by an Avant/BV 11 in the future.

Can anybody confirm that this feature is not possible anymore with the NL/ML converter?

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mjmedlo replied on Sun, Apr 5 2015 5:22 PM
I guess I need a better xplanation of exactly what you're trying to do.

I.E do you want av1 on video on thebv11

And sounds from av2 on another system?
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Hiort replied on Sun, Apr 5 2015 8:16 PM
I don't think BV11 can play two of its own sources simultaneously i.e one in linkroom and one in main room.

Hope someone can confirm.

 

 

 

 

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mjmedlo replied on Sun, Apr 5 2015 10:33 PM
I agree

It cannot ... At least that I've figured out.

Was that possible with the bsys3?

Hiort:

I don't think BV11 can play two of its own sources simultaneously i.e one in linkroom and one in main room.

Hope someone can confirm.

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Raeuber replied on Sun, Apr 5 2015 11:15 PM
mjmedlo:

I agree

It cannot ... At least that I've figured out.

Was that possible with the bsys3?

Yes, of course!

Only one great feature of masterlink.

And it works not only with Beosys3-based TVs. It also worked with my good old Avant from the year 1998!

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mjmedlo replied on Mon, Apr 6 2015 2:22 AM
So you're playing the hdmi source in one room and then playing the audio from hdmi 3 in another?

Previously .. With the sys3?
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Raeuber replied on Mon, Apr 6 2015 11:08 AM
mjmedlo:

So you're playing the hdmi source in one room and then playing the audio from hdmi 3 in another?

Previously .. With the sys3?

If you want to hear the sound from another source in linkroom you have to connect this source not only digital (HDMI) but also analogue to mainroom TV, because Masterlink is an analogue system.

First I thought the new Netlink system is a full successor of Masterlink. So I was very disappointed that Netlink can only distribute sound but not video. With Masterlink you can watch videos from any mainroom source on a linkroom Beovision while another person can watch a video from (another or the same) source in mainroom.

And now it seems to be that you can't listen to another source connected to mainroom TV than the source actually working in mainroom. If this is true the NL/ML converter is nearly worthless, it's only a connection of analogue Masterlink sources to a Netlink Beovision. Very disappointing.

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doun replied on Tue, Apr 7 2015 8:28 AM

Hello everyone,

 

I try to have the confirmation of B&O.

I tried to have two different audio sources from the Beovision 11 connected to the Beolink NL/ML (one for the link room and another directly for the Beovision 11) but unfortunately until now I am not able to do it. Perhaps not the right setting!!! I hope so!!!!!

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doun replied on Tue, Apr 7 2015 8:28 AM

Hello everyone,

 

I try to have the confirmation of B&O.

I tried to have two different audio sources from the Beovision 11 connected to the Beolink NL/ML (one for the link room and another directly for the Beovision 11) but unfortunately until now I am not able to do it. Perhaps not the right setting!!! I hope so!!!!!

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doun replied on Tue, Apr 7 2015 2:59 PM

Dear all,

I received the answer from B&O. The Beovision 11 is not able to handle two different sources. Therefore it  is not possible to listen to a source on the Beolink NL/ML and watching another source on the Beovision 11. As soon as you will select a Beovision 11 source from the Masterlink, the TV will switch to this source.

I lost a big feature...Angry

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Raeuber replied on Tue, Apr 7 2015 3:31 PM
Unbelievable and very poor. If my BV 7 dies some day I have to look for a second hand BV 7 or 10, I would never go for an Avant/BV 11 then without this feature.

Thank for your info though!

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lonfred replied on Tue, Apr 7 2015 3:37 PM
That was not good to hear at all. Seems that I will get stuck with my BV10-46 as main TV....
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elephant replied on Tue, Apr 7 2015 10:51 PM
Anyone know if this new constraint applies to the new Avants as well ?

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It applies to NL as it stands right now.

Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there 

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mjmedlo replied on Tue, Apr 7 2015 11:59 PM
Some scuttlebutt that this will be updated in the summer.

We shall see.

As of now you can go analog to digital but not visa versa.

I'm seeing this in connecting a third party panel to my system.

I am going to connect the line out of the third party panel in to the line in on the blc and then use the bs5 a.aux to connect my essence.

This way I'll have streaming across the entire system and be able to pull all network and masterlink sources to the blc.

This would not work the other way.. For instance there's no way now to pull the beolink sources over the a masterlink active kit.
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Raeuber replied on Wed, Apr 8 2015 6:58 AM
I think this constraint will not only apply with connecting a Masterlink system to NL-BV using the NL/ML-converter, but also if you connect two NL-BVs using a router.

And I don't think this issue can be solved by a software update, I fear it's a matter of hardware.
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stefan replied on Wed, Apr 8 2015 2:32 PM

doun:

Dear all,

I received the answer from B&O. The Beovision 11 is not able to handle two different sources. Therefore it  is not possible to listen to a source on the Beolink NL/ML and watching another source on the Beovision 11. As soon as you will select a Beovision 11 source from the Masterlink, the TV will switch to this source.

I lost a big feature...Angry

Agree - very disappointing! Sorry about my ignorance, but can anybody explain what the benefit of Netlink is...? :(

I don`t get it...

Thanks

Stefan

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mjmedlo replied on Wed, Apr 8 2015 4:02 PM

net link gives two way for automation; 

automatic update of the PUC table

apps; 

future proofing with over the air updates; 

my thoughts on it's value anyway

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Raeuber replied on Wed, Apr 8 2015 4:26 PM
stefan:

Agree - very disappointing! Sorry about my ignorance, but can anybody explain what the benefit of Netlink is...? :(

I don`t get it...

Thanks

Stefan

Hi Stefan,

Netlink is the most difficult way to connect a source to a pre-amplifier. And the opposite to an easy handling of a video-audio-system for what the brand 'B&O' stood for until Netlink.

Just my 2 cents...

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From an all ML stand point you lost a feature. If you get more than one product of NL you will see the doors open right back up. This is the same as when MCL died and everyone wanted datalink over ML. The fact that B&O even give you any access to 20+ years of old infrastructure should be commended. Nobody in the industry gives as much care to the integration of legacy products as B&O has. No one. With that some features have to be retired unfortunately. The realities are that very few people that actually owned B&O to that extend actually used that feature. It hurt me that the av mode is gone too on the new chassis..... Trust me I feel the pains sometimes out there. I also enjoy looking at the picture of my new stuff over any of the older stuff I've owned through the years (7-55 is the only older product that can hang with the new stuff picture wise), the price of owning and enjoying the new stuff. Something has to give I guess. There is a sw update coming soon to make the moment a NL capable system. One would think small things that are missing would have the chance to pop back up as a feature as more updates are applied. We forget there hasn't been a NL audio master (if you want to call it that) yet. Maybe that feature can't be executed from ML, but if you get a Moment it may reappear on the all digital NL based system.

Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there 

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Raeuber replied on Wed, Apr 8 2015 10:44 PM
Ok, but I would like to repeat Stefan's question:

"can anybody explain what the benefit of Netlink is...? :("

I don't know the answer yet...

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mjmedlo replied on Thu, Apr 9 2015 1:44 AM
See my post two lines upSmile
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Raeuber replied on Thu, Apr 9 2015 7:34 AM
mjmedlo:

See my post two lines up

Thank you. So 'Netlink' is the ability to get access to the internet, nothing else and no successor of Masterlink. A friend of mine has a cheap Samsung TV for 300 EUR with Netlink.
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I guess we have not seen what NL is capable of, I am really hoping that the roll out of the multiroom function will show us that NL is the ML. From what has been promised NL should be able to push sound between NL products, I don't think it will be capable of video and B&O are recommending the use of a HDMI matrix for video distribution!

 

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lonfred replied on Thu, Apr 9 2015 9:12 AM
I cant understand why they stoped production of the ML before the NL was completed. Now atleast I have been waiting to buy new products untill I have seen what NL will be like....
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Raeuber replied on Thu, Apr 9 2015 9:40 AM
badgersurf:

I guess we have not seen what NL is capable of, I am really hoping that the roll out of the multiroom function will show us that NL is the ML. From what has been promised NL should be able to push sound between NL products, I don't think it will be capable of video and B&O are recommending the use of a HDMI matrix for video distribution!

A HDMI matrix is a very sophisticated and expensive solution.

With older Beovisions you can get the video signal via RF LINK, Scart and HDMI out. With the new BSys4-based Beovisions (Avant, BV 11) you have NONE of these options anymore!
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Hiort replied on Thu, Apr 9 2015 12:08 PM

Raeuber:

With older Beovisions you can get the video signal via RF LINK, Scart and HDMI out. With the new BSys4-based Beovisions (Avant, BV 11) you have NONE of these options anymore!

Distribution over RF is not an option since it is analogue transmission. No one would accept such poor picture quality anymore. Since there are no more Beovisions in the product line with DVD/Bluray anymore, a HDMI out does not makes sense. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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mjmedlo replied on Thu, Apr 9 2015 12:17 PM
I have sound from other rooms now.

I guess I'm not sure what all the fuss is?
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mjmedlo:
I have sound from other rooms now.

 

So - then all you have to do is to tell us, how you did it/what you did!

MM

 

There is a tv - and there is a BV

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Hiort replied on Thu, Apr 9 2015 1:02 PM

mjmedlo:
I have sound from other rooms now.

 

I guess I'm not sure what all the fuss is?

Main issue is that a NL Beovision only can distribute one of its sources at a time over NL/ML. E.g if you watch TV in the main room and want to listen to radio (from the BV source) the Beovision will not be able to show TV in mainroom.

 

 

 

 

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mjmedlo replied on Thu, Apr 9 2015 1:31 PM

Correct Hiort. .

I have several of the NL televisions; I can "connect" one to another for distributing audio; 

but I do not believe I can watch (for example) the Living Room BV11 of Source HDMI1 and pull up source

HDMI2 audio on the Bedroom BV11; I will try this when I get back home this evening.

I'm in the US so it's 7:30am here.

I shall report back; 

 

As far as Connecting; the various NL products can pull sources from each other and from the masterlink

side through the beolink converter; I regularly listen to sources one panel on another; I do understand your

question/concern about multi sourcing from one beovision.  I shall investigate that this evening.

 

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stefan replied on Thu, Apr 9 2015 1:41 PM

mjmedlo:

net link gives two way for automation; 

automatic update of the PUC table

apps; 

future proofing with over the air updates; 

my thoughts on it's value anyway

- That`s what I thought: It has two way mode for home automation - but does it have two way mode for the Beolink system too?

I`m using the xhome visualisation software for my KNX automation system - it is also able to handle the whole Beosystem via MLGW,

http://xsolution.de/

- online update for PUC is a new feature, that`s why my Beovisions got complete PUC collections when I bought them for free.

- online updates for my stb boxes is a feature, that I use since years, so no much excitement here, sorry.

The main purpose of a Beolink system - an MCL system or later the ML system - was to distribute sound/picture all over the house and the ability to control global sources - from all (link) rooms. This can also be timer controlled - the old MCL system was even able to distribute (LINK) LIGHT commands to all linkrooms and control directly LC2s via IR from extra speaker kits, MX BVs or all two way Beo- souns/systems.

Missing features in a Netlink system: (please correct me if I`m wrong...)

- Masterlink with stereo sound distribution

- Cinema function

- Timer

- AV mode

- PandP (?)

- possibility to watch a video source in the main room, while listening to an audio source in connected linkrooms (?)

- possibility to watch a video source in the mainroom while watching another video source connected to the videomaster in the mainroom (?)

 

Missing features in a Masterlink system: (please correct me if ...)

- online update for PUC table

- online update BV firmware

- smart TV feature (?)

- two way mode for (selected?) home automation systems

Stefan

 

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stefan replied on Thu, Apr 9 2015 1:59 PM

BeoMegaMan:

From an all ML stand point you lost a feature. 

A feature...? I just made a list of missing features in the NL some posts above....

BeoMegaMan:

The fact that B&O even give you any access to 20+ years of old infrastructure should be commended. Nobody in the industry gives as much care to the integration of legacy products as B&O has. No one. 

That`s right I think, but that`s not the point. We don`t compare companies, because you can`t compare Beo with anything else on the world 

It`s a bit special and unique (what we love...), but we compare Beo from 1985 - 2000 - 2015. And that`s also a story of loosing features over the time.

BeoMegaMan:

Maybe that feature can't be executed from ML, but if you get a Moment it may reappear on the all digital NL based system.

Can you please explain a bit, what an all digital NL based system is?

Will it be controled digitally? Will the sound be distributed digitally ot simply streamed?

Thanks

 

Stefan

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Raeuber replied on Thu, Apr 9 2015 3:50 PM
Hiort:

Distribution over RF is not an option since it is analogue transmission. No one would accept such poor picture quality anymore. Since there are no more Beovisions in the product line with DVD/Bluray anymore, a HDMI out does not makes sense.

I accept such poor picture quality for sure, because it's NOT poor. I am using RF distribution since 1998 (first with old Avant and MX 4002 and since 2011 with BV 7 and BV 10) and I don't want to miss it anymore!

You can connect many sources (settop-box, bluray-player, Apple-TV) not only via HDMI but also via Scart to a mainroom TV and then you get access to all these sources in linkrooms with Masterlink.

HDMI out is necessary if you want to use a projector, a nice feature of Beovisions for so many years and now sorted out with BSys4-based BVs. Very poor!

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mjmedlo replied on Thu, Apr 9 2015 4:28 PM

Rauber,

maybe it's best for you that you stay with ML products?

I certainly see your side of this coin has merit.

 

Maybe NL is not the right direction for your?

 

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Raeuber replied on Thu, Apr 9 2015 4:40 PM
mjmedlo:

Rauber,

maybe it's best for you that you stay with ML products?

I certainly see your side of this coin has merit.

Maybe NL is not the right direction for your?

Absolutely correct, dear mjmedlo. A replacement of my ML system by a NL system would mean a real downgrade for me.
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