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Apologies for what seems like a relatively simple question:
Can a Beosound 5 connect to music on the Beomaster 5 AND a NAS at the same time? Or does the user have to choose one or the other during setup?
I read the manual, and it says Beomaster "or" NAS... so I'm thinking it is one or the other but not both at the same time.
If this is the case, is it easy to switch access points on the Beosound 5 so that a user can get quick access to play music off a NAS and then switch to the Bombaster without much fiddling?
You have to choose one or the other. And once you select your source, it can takes hours to days for the MOTS calculations to be performed.
However, if you just want to listen to some songs, that you have on the NAS, once in a while - and you have a device with a DLNA controller (such as the PlugPlayer or the 8Player app) - you could use that to 'push' these songs to the BM/BS5.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen: However, if you just want to listen to some songs, that you have on the NAS, once in a while - and you have a device with a DLNA controller (such as the PlugPlayer or the 8Player app) - you could use that to 'push' these songs to the BM/BS5. MM
MM, can you explain "pushing" please.. Do you mean streaming them from the NAS through the iPhone apps which can access the files on the NAS? Does that require any additional dongles on the Beosound 5.
I know I can access the NAS songs from the HOMEMedia on the BV11, but it would have been nice to have both local songs and All the NAS songs accessible from the Beosound 5. Or as it is much less complex, just transfer over songs to the BM5 and have then accessible at all times no fuss.
Thanks!
beojeff: You have to choose one or the other. And once you select your source, it can takes hours to days for the MOTS calculations to be performed.
Official the correct answer!
But learn / read how to setup / manipulate Twonky, especially the way how to access the setup pages (the access is turned off) or how to work the settings with RCP commands
Then turn the Music Server of the BS5 to ON (Twonky is running). Goto the Service Menu. Then add the Directory of your music on the NAS in the Twonky setup page.
I am also considering to buy an BS5/BM5. This thread is very interesting to me. A few related questions:
1) Do I read it right that I can make the BS5 work without the BM5, but instead connect it with the music on my NAS?
2) Has an update to support apple lossless been released by now?
3) Can I connect the BS5 directly to my BV5? If so, will the BS5 turn on the BV5 automatically and steer the BLs attached to my BV (without turning on the screen?
4) Does the BS5 somehow integrate with ITunes and/or what is the best use case to keep itunes library and BS5 in-sync?
steve1977: I am also considering to buy an BS5/BM5. This thread is very interesting to me. A few related questions: 1) Do I read it right that I can make the BS5 work without the BM5, but instead connect it with the music on my NAS? 2) Has an update to support apple lossless been released by now? 3) Can I connect the BS5 directly to my BV5? If so, will the BS5 turn on the BV5 automatically and steer the BLs attached to my BV (without turning on the screen? 4) Does the BS5 somehow integrate with ITunes and/or what is the best use case to keep itunes library and BS5 in-sync?
Steve, based in the current answers and my experience with a prevous master link only setup I think I can answer some of your questions:
1. Yes, but you need the beomaster box to be the interface to your network/master link.
2. According to the latest info on B&O FAQ site: no
3. The only way to connect the BS5 to a BV is via the BM5 box via masterlink; think of the beosound 5 is the interface and the beomaster box as the socket unit which just happens to also have a hard disk and be a computer should you choose to use it that way. When you do connect it via masterlink to a bv5 it should act as my old avant did connected to a BS9000 via masterlink: the screen should remain blank and sound will come from the tv or attached speakers.
4. I'm thinking the same server DLNA software For the Moment would apply, twonky or something else. Unlike the moment, though, I don't think the beosound 5 can directly "see" an iTunes library, as is apparently depicted in the moment setup video. there are many synchronization utilities available depending on the computer platform you're using. I use Chronosync on the Mac for some backup purposes but it can also be used to synchronize specific folders, and theoretically for itunes libraries as well.
Carolpa: But learn / read how to setup / manipulate Twonky, especially the way how to access the setup pages (the access is turned off) or how to work the settings with RCP commands
Search on the BS5 for the file: Twonkyserver.ini. (D:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\twonkymedia) Open the file with a texteditor.
change the settings as shown:
# access to web config pages, 0 for denied, 1 for local only, 2 for openenableweb=1
Save the changes
Exit service menu, reboot the BS5. Goto Service menu again. Start Twonkyserver (programs). Start: http://localhost:9000/webconfig#setup (Twonky version 7.x.x) in a Browser on the BS5.
Go under Settings to Sharing: add the directory of your NAS (maybe you have to give the BS5 permission to see/search for the NAS). Don't forget to Save the Changes (button).
Note: if on your BS5 Twonky version 6 is running try 127.0.0.1:9000/config to access the setup page
Thanks Sal. This sounds really great!!!
Sal:4. I'm thinking the same server DLNA software For the Moment would apply, twonky or something else. Unlike the moment, though, I don't think the beosound 5 can directly "see" an iTunes library, as is apparently depicted in the moment setup video. there are many synchronization utilities available depending on the computer platform you're using. I use Chronosync on the Mac for some backup purposes but it can also be used to synchronize specific folders, and theoretically for itunes libraries as well.
Help me understand a bit better. Are you saying that the BS5 can also act as an DLNA client? If so, does the BS5/BM5 cache the artwork or will it be incredibly slow with a large library? What DLNA fields will it read?
Sal: steve1977: I am also considering to buy an BS5/BM5. This thread is very interesting to me. A few related questions: 1) Do I read it right that I can make the BS5 work without the BM5, but instead connect it with the music on my NAS? 2) Has an update to support apple lossless been released by now? 3) Can I connect the BS5 directly to my BV5? If so, will the BS5 turn on the BV5 automatically and steer the BLs attached to my BV (without turning on the screen? 4) Does the BS5 somehow integrate with ITunes and/or what is the best use case to keep itunes library and BS5 in-sync? Steve, based in the current answers and my experience with a prevous master link only setup I think I can answer some of your questions: 1. Yes, but you need the beomaster box to be the interface to your network/master link. 2. According to the latest info on B&O FAQ site: no 3. The only way to connect the BS5 to a BV is via the BM5 box via masterlink; think of the beosound 5 is the interface and the beomaster box as the socket unit which just happens to also have a hard disk and be a computer should you choose to use it that way. When you do connect it via masterlink to a bv5 it should act as my old avant did connected to a BS9000 via masterlink: the screen should remain blank and sound will come from the tv or attached speakers. 4. I'm thinking the same server DLNA software For the Moment would apply, twonky or something else. Unlike the moment, though, I don't think the beosound 5 can directly "see" an iTunes library, as is apparently depicted in the moment setup video. there are many synchronization utilities available depending on the computer platform you're using. I use Chronosync on the Mac for some backup purposes but it can also be used to synchronize specific folders, and theoretically for itunes libraries as well.
1, you allways need a BM5. A BS5 is the UI and the black box; the BM5 only the black box
4. Twonky can be an in between. But if you cannot play Apple Lossless, on a BS5 what is the point. The good thing is though Twonky can be tweaked to transcode music streams so in principle it should be possible.
Sal: Millemissen: However, if you just want to listen to some songs, that you have on the NAS, once in a while - and you have a device with a DLNA controller (such as the PlugPlayer or the 8Player app) - you could use that to 'push' these songs to the BM/BS5. MM MM, can you explain "pushing" please.. Do you mean streaming them from the NAS through the iPhone apps which can access the files on the NAS? Does that require any additional dongles on the Beosound 5. I know I can access the NAS songs from the HOMEMedia on the BV11, but it would have been nice to have both local songs and All the NAS songs accessible from the Beosound 5. Or as it is much less complex, just transfer over songs to the BM5 and have then accessible at all times no fuss. Thanks!
The BM/BS5 acts like a DLNA renderer - just like the HomeMedia on the tv's does.
You choose that as player, and it starts to play showing the cover (if it is in the tags of the file)
You can't connect to two servers at the same time!
Why not just have ALL your music on an external server (best let a modern Twonky run on it)?
You don't need to have any music stored on the BM5!
Or use the BM5 as your 'NAS'/put ALL your music on that (if it fits) - and have access to it from there on the tv/HomeMedia and on any DLNA player app on a mobile device.
In case you choose the (external) NAS solution - and you want to let the Twonky server do some transcoding (from Apple lossless) - be sure, that the NAS is powerfull enough for the job.
And....be sure, that it doesn't transcode to MP3 - otherweise there wouldn't be much sense in keeping your files (Apple) lossless.
The best practice is to just copy all of your music over to the hard drive on the BeoMaster 5. That way, you're not constantly dependent on your network. As you add more music to your iTunes library, you just drag and drop those new files to the BeoConnect utility that stays in the dock at the bottom of your screen on your Mac. BeoConnect then transfers those new files over to your BeoMaster 5 via your wifi network, and then the BeoMaster 5 starts performing the MOTS calculations on the new files.
The DLNA feature was added really just to allow you to push songs from a portable device, such as your iPhone or the IPhone of a friend who is visiting. The resolution of the cover art when doing this is really bad.
For anyone who is considering getting a BeoSound 5, I highly encourage you to take the time first to go through your iTunes library and make sure all of the cover art is at a good resolution and that the tags are all good. It's also important to tick the "Part of a Compilation" box when tagging so that songs on an album stay together on the BeoSound 5. When you are using your BeoSound 5, bad or missing cover art and bad tagging become really obvious.
The BeoConnect program keeps all of your music organized in proper artist and album folders on your BeoMaster 5 hard drive. This was not always the case. The early version of BeoConnect just dumped all of the files into one folder -- which was a horrible mess. About a year ago, I deleted all of my music from the BeoMaster 5 and did a fresh transfer to correct this problem.
Since Apple Lossless is not supported and I had not ripped my music as Apple Lossless, I chose to use iTunes Match to match all of my music as iTunes store quality. After doing the iTunes Match scan of my iTunes library, I deleted the entire library on my computer (after backing up, of course) and then dowloaded the iTunes store files from iTunes Match. This way, I had a music library of consistent quality to transfer over to the BeoMaster 5. Of course, there are those who will argue that iTunes store quality is not good enough for them and who want lossless files - but I prefer having a library of consistent quality that can also work with all of my iOS devices. I don't want the headache of having two different libraries with different types of files.
beojeff:The resolution of the cover art when doing this is really bad.
This is actually quite easily to be tweaked to resolutions of f.e. 600*600 (or higher)
Carolpa: beojeff:The resolution of the cover art when doing this is really bad. This is actually quite easily to be tweaked to resolutions of f.e. 600*600 (or higher)
I'm referring to pushing music from my iPhone or iPad to the BeoSound 5. The resolution always looks horrible.
beojeff: Carolpa: beojeff:The resolution of the cover art when doing this is really bad. This is actually quite easily to be tweaked to resolutions of f.e. 600*600 (or higher) I'm referring to pushing music from my iPhone or iPad to the BeoSound 5. The resolution always looks horrible.
I know, but it can also be an issue with Twonky used as Music server. The easiest way is to delete convert-jpeg.desc and jpeg-scale.desc from Twonky. Or you can change them with a text editor to your taste. I didn't use the pushing music for some time, but I think it solves this issue also
beojeff: I'm referring to pushing music from my iPhone or iPad to the BeoSound 5. The resolution always looks horrible.
Never had issues with the resolutions of the coverpics, when I 'pushed' the files to a BM/BS5.
But it depends on the server - some are just sending a downsized version, even if a better one is available.
Got it, very clear and indeed should be more of a local storage device then.
It is really a huge pity that apple lossless is not supported yet. Given the codec is opensource, is there any work-around installing the codec manually? or any other way to get around it when using local storage.
Also, does Beoconnect also sync itunes playlists?
How does photo sync work? Would this be based on iphoto and anyone with experience with the new photo app - now hat iphoto has been discontinued?
beojeff: The DLNA feature was added really just to allow you to push songs from a portable device, such as your iPhone or the IPhone of a friend who is visiting.
The DLNA feature was added really just to allow you to push songs from a portable device, such as your iPhone or the IPhone of a friend who is visiting.
The DLNA renderer function was added, as the Beo6 came and made a two-way connection with the server running on the BM5 possible.
beojeff:For anyone who is considering getting a BeoSound 5, I highly encourage you to take the time first to go through your iTunes library and make sure all of the cover art is at a good resolution and that the tags are all good. It's also important to tick the "Part of a Compilation" box when tagging so that songs on an album stay together on the BeoSound 5.
Besides the lack of alac, this may yet again be a deal breaker My music is perfectly tagged with nice coverart. However, I do not use the "part of a compilation" tag. Not even itunes requires it anymore, so I was hoping that the BS5 may also not? Instead, I have albumartists. I.e., a compilation artist does show "various artists" as albumartist, but I do not have "part of a compilation tagged. Works in itunes to keep things together. Also on the BS5?