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Hi there
My lab 12's come in tomorrow if they are early if not Friday.
Need to work out how high to put brackets.
How to hide the back box behind the bracket, I am so excited but I have to build a timber frame and plasterboard a wall first.
Gutted I cannot put them up tomorrow, and I need to order some premade cat 6 cables and cut the ends off.
So much to do. But so little time :)
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Hi SK did you go for 12-2 or 12-3 btw?
I thought only one type is out at the mo, it's the first ones
Well they have arrived and now I am super sad that I cannot put them up, one is playing on my kitchen table just so I can use it.
I will now have to push myself to get the plasterboard put up and get it painted.
Monday I have the damp proof injections being installed so that's a start.
I have just realised that my beocenter 9300 is going to have to sit low as I never quite realised how low these will be to allow the tweeter to be my head level.
Its going to be a tough few weeks
If u have the time i appreciate a picture of the back of the Labs and the mounting frame. Good luck with the construction!
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SK that looks to me like a lab 12-3, why do you think they are 12-2's?
I don't???
I only thought one version was out 12-3
They are back in their box ow for a while - how sad
Hi everyone, so the manual says put the bracket about 78cm of the ground this makes the tweeter about 4-6 inches lower than my ears.
Is the recommendation meant for normal height people or just an optimum, I would think that speakers should be lelvel with my head for best sound.
So far I have installed one and it's set on corner and I am not impressed, in the shop they sounded great but when I have m music on already I have seen a orange light telling me to turn it down, I am quite disappointed so far as I wanted speakers for a room to dance in.
I have my beocenter set on flat settings and I'm not sure they can Handle the music I play or any real volume. I wonder if it's because I only have oe up.
Seanie_230: So far I have installed one and it's set on corner and I am not impressed, in the shop they sounded great but when I have m music on already I have seen a orange light telling me to turn it down..
So far I have installed one and it's set on corner and I am not impressed, in the shop they sounded great but when I have m music on already I have seen a orange light telling me to turn it down..
Really? A light warning to turn them down? Amazing. I was told the BL12s were more powerful than my BL3s and I can ramp up my BL3s without issues and they certainly fill a reasonably large room.
I had a potential customer call me the other day and ask for a price for his Beolab 3 because he was trading for (the smaller) 12-2 which most people (including myself) don't seem to have heard of or seen before. I must admit - and sorry Mr K - I wasn't that impressed when I heard the 12-3 briefly, sure they didn't have a sub lurking somewhere?!?! How are you anyway, it has been a long time.
Seanie_230: Hi everyone, so the manual says put the bracket about 78cm of the ground this makes the tweeter about 4-6 inches lower than my ears. Is the recommendation meant for normal height people or just an optimum, I would think that speakers should be lelvel with my head for best sound. So far I have installed one and it's set on corner and I am not impressed, in the shop they sounded great but when I have m music on already I have seen a orange light telling me to turn it down, I am quite disappointed so far as I wanted speakers for a room to dance in. I have my beocenter set on flat settings and I'm not sure they can Handle the music I play or any real volume. I wonder if it's because I only have oe up.
I believe this is dependent on the ALT itself. Traditionally, with the ALT, it is supposed to be below the ear. However, I said traditionally - which means tweeter firing up. How do you have yours oriented, tweeter at the bottom or at the top?
And as for the room adaptation, isn't there a 'wall' setting? This would seem more appropriate.
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These can't be the 12-2s as they would only have one bass driver, and clearly in the picture there are two bass drivers.
Hi all, the tweeter will be at the top, I have decided not to judge them until I have both installed and can listen properly, they just don't seem to kick bottom, the music I listen to is quite full of bass for example the new rihanna album and you ca hear the sub's struggle a little.
Maybe I will need a lab 11 in the future with them but I need to wait and see what the are like in a pair.
I used the corner settin as they are in alcoves and wall is for anything away from a corner.
Time will tell, does the lab 11 have power link out like the lab 2 does after the bass has been crossed over?
Mr Klemis, thanks for ignoring my convivial greeting asking how you are! Lab 11 @ 37Hz surely would not be suitable for use with these!! Beolab 2 @ 22Hz would be far better-suited IMHO.
Corner setting dampens the bass output doesn't it since bass is amplified in corners?
Hope it all works out, maybe the material the wall will be made of will be critical too, ideally would be solid or heavily damped rather than pleasterboard/studwork.
Heres a picture of the both
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wow quite a difference in size. As before I wasn't overly impressed with the 12-3 when I heard them briefly, maybe an extended listening test will make a better impression on me.
Quite like the look of the shorter 12-2. Anyone heard them? Comparable to the BL3s?
What's the price difference between the 12-3 and 12-2?
moxxey: Quite like the look of the shorter 12-2. Anyone heard them? Comparable to the BL3s? What's the price difference between the 12-3 and 12-2?
I like them also! Seems like the perfect replacement for BL4000, doesnt it?And they are getting floor-stands, which is obvious since it has a plastic bar that is removable on one of the sides (not where the front speakers are, but the other end).
KingOfSnake: Mr Klemis, thanks for ignoring my convivial greeting asking how you are!
Mr Klemis, thanks for ignoring my convivial greeting asking how you are!
hay there sorry I missed that busy day pulling down plaster. I'm doing ok busy with the house renovations but still good, how are you?
Lab 11 might give a little better sound as the lab 12 only goes down to 45.3 so at least the 11 will give me 37' I don't rate the lab 2 for music it's to slow. I struggled with the choice of speakers for my dancing / music room, lab 1's were just to big as much as I would love them.
Lab 9's perfect sound but to low sound stage.
As I have the speakers running from the power link on my beocenter 9300 I suppose I could use one of the passive connections for a sub, can I bridge the two speakers connections?
Michael: And they are getting floor-stands
And they are getting floor-stands
Yes, my dealer mentioned something about floor stands. I wonder how much though? Got to be quite a chunk less than the BL12-3s.
£1000 less than 12-3's, not huge difference.
@Moxxey, I don't think they will be as good as 3's if my first impressions of the larger ones are accurate IMHO
moxxey: Michael: And they are getting floor-stands Yes, my dealer mentioned something about floor stands. I wonder how much though? Got to be quite a chunk less than the BL12-3s.
I thought these speakers absolutely relied on being fastened to a wall for their bass response - how good are they going to be mounted on stands? (esp. since some have said that the sound is already "limited" by their design).
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Puncher: I thought these speakers absolutely relied on being fastened to a wall for their bass response - how good are they going to be mounted on stands? (esp. since some have said that the sound is already "limited" by their design).
My dealer said months ago (before the BL12s were launched) that a floor stand was coming out eventually. He even described it to me - sort of like a BL9000 backing and the speaker would be attached to the front - so you'd still get a "wall" effect. I did wonder how effective it would be compared to a solid wall, but then remember most modern apartments use plasterboard.....so actually a floor stand might be *more* effective (as plasterboard is very lightweight and hollow).
Would make sense. If you could produce a floor stand with a solid metal backing, no reason why it wouldn't perform as well as it would against a plasterboard wall.
moxxey: Puncher: I thought these speakers absolutely relied on being fastened to a wall for their bass response - how good are they going to be mounted on stands? (esp. since some have said that the sound is already "limited" by their design). My dealer said months ago (before the BL12s were launched) that a floor stand was coming out eventually. He even described it to me - sort of like a BL9000 backing and the speaker would be attached to the front - so you'd still get a "wall" effect. I did wonder how effective it would be compared to a solid wall, but then remember most modern apartments use plasterboard.....so actually a floor stand might be *more* effective (as plasterboard is very lightweight and hollow). Would make sense. If you could produce a floor stand with a solid metal backing, no reason why it wouldn't perform as well as it would against a plasterboard wall.
I'm not sure that's the case - I thought that the wall plays an "active" part in the sound reproduction process - just sealing the back of the speaker isn't the same (as I understand it).
Puncher:I'm not sure that's the case - I thought that the wall plays an "active" part in the sound reproduction process - just sealing the back of the speaker isn't the same (as I understand it).
I'm sure this floor stand, if there's ever going to be one, isn't going to seal the back, but rather work as small wall (wallet? ) to attach to. Otherwise the wall shouldn't work as an active part - if it moves or vibrates, it will inevitably colour the sound. The wall behind will alter the sound greatly as opposed to playing into free space, so I guess there might be some configuration where the speaker would work satisfactorily when mounted on such a contraption... sort of a tuned log line turned inside out or something. I fear the end result has the potential to look totally silly, but I'll wait and see.
Even Vox/Lab 5000's depend on the wall behind them, and they are a closed enclosure firing forward, not into the wall! I had mine on the floor leaning to the wall for a night before I drilled the mounting holes, and they really didn't sound too special that way.
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Chris am with Puncher/Tournedos on this one. Similar to saying you can put a solid material behind Beolab 5000 on stands and performance will be the same, resonance is the key word here (I think!)
See my other thread re: Beovox 2-2 and the wall cabinet thing that I don't know exactly what it is or what it does, understand the principle but am waiting on more info - customer had bought these and I in turn secured the package after their intended recipient fell through.
I was thinking of saying to Mr Klemis hold on, if you are unhappy with the Beolab 12-3 try Beovox 12-2 with this wall cabinet thing mounted in the wall. Pretty sure it won't be as good but for half the price would be worth trying surely? With a bl2 subwoofer they and Beolab 4000 happily filled a 6m x 10m+ room
Anyway judging by the head-banging do's Mr K has I doubt any B&O wall-mounted speaker would do justice to the demands :)
KingOfSnake: Chris am with Puncher/Tournedos on this one. Similar to saying you can put a solid material behind Beolab 5000 on stands and performance will be the same, resonance is the key word here (I think!)
I'm only guessing Ian. I know as much as you do. All I know is that there will be a floor stand. The dealer thought it would have to have some kind of back to it, so that the BL12 will resonate against it, as you say. How it's connected, or whether that will happen, is anyone's guess.
Walls are very different - a solid wall is very different from a plasterboard wall. One has a very hollow backing, the other, of course, is solid. It will produce a very different sound. I'm sure they could recreate the plasterboard effect fairly easily.
I do like the design of the BL12s and the shorter BL12-2 could be appealing, either on the wall or floor stand. I'd be interested to know how much of a difference the resonance has using plaster compared to a solid wall. Luckily for me, my walls are mostly solid. But, does that affect the resonance?
moxxey: KingOfSnake: Chris am with Puncher/Tournedos on this one. Similar to saying you can put a solid material behind Beolab 5000 on stands and performance will be the same, resonance is the key word here (I think!) I'm only guessing Ian. I know as much as you do. All I know is that there will be a floor stand. The dealer thought it would have to have some kind of back to it, so that the BL12 will resonate against it, as you say. How it's connected, or whether that will happen, is anyone's guess. Walls are very different - a solid wall is very different from a plasterboard wall. One has a very hollow backing, the other, of course, is solid. It will produce a very different sound. I'm sure they could recreate the plasterboard effect fairly easily. I do like the design of the BL12s and the shorter BL12-2 could be appealing, either on the wall or floor stand. I'd be interested to know how much of a difference the resonance has using plaster compared to a solid wall. Luckily for me, my walls are mostly solid. But, does that affect the resonance?
I would assume that a solid wall that does not vibrate (i.e. absorb energy from the speaker) would be the ideal. Any unaccounted or uncontrolled vibrations can only a). absorb energy and b). produce sound discolouration.