UHD Blu-Ray standard finalized

Actually I read the HDR standard has been finalized also - this is what was reported on flatpanelshd so take that with grain of salt. Looks like the minimum requirements are there but there are quite a few optional extras is Atmos, Dolby Vision etc

Honestly it's hard to see 8k taking off before 4k matures. There's apparently only a handful of video cameras that can record 8k in production and the TV manufacturers don't have products near production. Only one TV station is trailing 8k but that's for technology development and not for broadcast soon

UHD BLU-RAY STANDARD FINAL

Ultra HD Blu-ray will support 4K in up to 60fps (HFR), up to Rec.2020 color gamuts (and DCI), 100 Mb/s bitrate, HEVC codec, 10-bit color depth and HDR, but no 48fps or 4K 3D. We already knew all of that.

The standard is now final and BDA (Blu-ray Disc Association) has clarified the HDR support. The open HDR standard based on the SMPTE proposal (ST 2084 and ST 2086) will be mandatory. Two other HDR standards from Dolby Vision and Philips are optional, so manufacturers and content makers will have to decide whether to use / support them. A fourth proposal from Technicolor was discarded.

Paul W:

He's taking the p*** Stuurock, that is exactly what I wrote to Jeff who was insulting and bullying the young guy called Electrified. The Jeff guy was bullying electrified and being completely insulting to him. He should have been suspended as it was true harassment!

Maybe it's time to listen to Travis's song "Digging up Bones" with not too much enthusiasm ....

 

BillC:

Actually I read the HDR standard has been finalized also - this is what was reported on flatpanelshd so take that with grain of salt. Looks like the minimum requirements are there but there are quite a few optional extras is Atmos, Dolby Vision etc

Honestly it's hard to see 8k taking off before 4k matures. There's apparently only a handful of video cameras that can record 8k in production and the TV manufacturers don't have products near production. Only one TV station is trailing 8k but that's for technology development and not for broadcast soon

UHD BLU-RAY STANDARD FINAL

Ultra HD Blu-ray will support 4K in up to 60fps (HFR), up to Rec.2020 color gamuts (and DCI), 100 Mb/s bitrate, HEVC codec, 10-bit color depth and HDR, but no 48fps or 4K 3D. We already knew all of that.

The standard is now final and BDA (Blu-ray Disc Association) has clarified the HDR support. The open HDR standard based on the SMPTE proposal (ST 2084 and ST 2086) will be mandatory. Two other HDR standards from Dolby Vision and Philips are optional, so manufacturers and content makers will have to decide whether to use / support them. A fourth proposal from Technicolor was discarded.

The HDR implementation of HDR into the UHD/BluRay standart has been finalized, yes.

But because there still is no agreement on a/one HDR standart as such, the UHD/BluRay has to support 'different' HDR formats.

The BDA simply could not wait with finalizing the main standarts, because the new devices are sceduled to be out before the end of this year.

The problem however, is: how will the manfactorers of the tv's react - will we see different tv's with support for one of these standarts, will one company try to push one specific standart or will they wait untill an agreement has been made. This might be very important for a small company like B&O.

These are all technical problems. You can have tv's (and receivers) with support for different/multiple HDR standarts - it would probably be cheaper not to have to..

BUT, the main problem is with the discs or rather with the mastering of the material in the studios. They would have to grade to different versions in order to have the discs play HDR on every capable display - not a good solution, a costy one for the studios.

The HDR 'problem' is still not solved - but it probably won't take long, because they all know that avoiding a (HDR) format war would be the best solution.

P.S. The Wide Color Gamut (WCG) 'issue' is not solvet yet either.

 

No need to think about 8K right now - HDR (with or without 4K) is a huge leap ahead in PQ.

 

MM

Paul W:

young guy called Electrified. The Jeff guy

What's worse : bullying or ageism ?

Having support for multiple version of HDR isn't the same as having a format war as there is a compulsory minimum - everyone can move forward.

Manufactures and content providers can choose to incorporate support for the minimum standard plus more if they see advantage in doing so. We already have this situation with the varies surround sound codec that receiver manufacturer can/need to support. TV producers could always alter their support of the standards by offering different grades eg Series A has everything but series B support the minimum. Content providers can also charge more for full support for those who want everything as a feature extra.

The fact is when you insert a disc with Dolby Vision encoded material in a player and TV that don't support Dolby Vision it will still work. You just see the HDR minimum and don't benefit from Dolby Vision. It's the same with the current Avant and bluray - you can watch and hear the bluray but it doesn't play audio in DTS-HD. In fact bluray requirement is that the Blu-ray Disc must implement AC-3, DTS and linear PCM, but Dolby True HD and DTS-HD are optional extras.

Same goes with cars, you can get a fully loaded car with all the driver aid car or just the basic. As long as the car complies with the safety rules it's fine.

Of course it's not a good thing for the consumer who buys the bare minimum only to find that one of the other standard is much better - buyer remorse is a killer

@BillC

Don't tell me that the movie companies are happy with having to provide several HDR format and several multicannel-audio format on their discs.

They would rather go with one standart!

As for the HD-sound formats. These are no problem for the Avant (as it wasn't for the earlier BV's.

Every Bluray Player (with few exceptions) can decode these formats into multichannel PCM, which is perfectly fine for the Avant..

MM

Studios aren't force to encode all three only the prerequisite. The same situation already occurs with Bluray, most disc only encode DTS-HD not both DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD.

If I was going to make a bet which would be the most common it would be the mandatory plus Dolby.

As for the Avant, it support the PCM, AC-3 and DTS ie the prerequisites of bluray. The fact it can play bluray audio is not because it is decoding DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD, rather it's playing the material in the prerequisite stream. Non of the Avant support Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD.

StUrrock:

Jeff:

 

Paul please don't degrade other people like that. You wouldn't like it if people insulted you and thought bad thoughts about you would you? As I mentioned before, there was A LOT of bullying on this site and it must stop immediately. It is very very bad for BANG&OLUFSEN's image and does nothing to remove the stuffy image of the brand that even yesterday newspaper mentioned!

 

If you can't say anything nice about a person, then seriously shut up!

 

Jeff

 

Beovirus victim, it's gotten to be too much to list!

 

 

Nice one Jeff, you are good forum moderator potential.

You need a longer memory, what I said in that post is a direct cut and paste of one of Paul W's frequent whiny rants, to me, with only the name changed. Ironic isn't it?

BillC:

As for the Avant, it support the PCM, AC-3 and DTS ie the prerequisites of bluray. The fact it can play bluray audio is not because it is decoding DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD, rather it's playing the material in the prerequisite stream. Non of the Avant support Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD.

Whether you let a BRP or the prepro/the BSys do the decoding does not matter to the sound - same result.

MM