Beogram 4000 series tone arm transport red locking clip and carriage locking screw?

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kent_goldy Posted: Tue, May 26 2015 12:20 PM

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I am going to be shipping my two Beogram 4002s I have the original boxes, but have misplaced one of the red 'E' shaped clips that secures the two tone arms and the 3 mm shouldered screw for locking the tone arm carriage when shipping.  A couple of simple parts that most of us discard once they set up their turntables. I move quite frequently and therefore always like to put the turntables back in their safe shipping cartons. Does anybody know where I can get one of the red shipping clips for the tone arms or the correct shouldered screw or at least the B & O part numbers for these shipping clips and lock down screws?

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Dave Farr replied on Tue, May 26 2015 1:34 PM

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Welcome to Beoworld.

If you have one clip, you could try finding someone with a 3D printer and get a new one made.  Alternatively, just use foam or polystyrene to pack around the tonearm and fasten with low tack tape - it works just as well.

I wasn't even aware of a carriage locking screw!

Dave

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kent_goldy replied on Wed, May 27 2015 3:03 AM

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Dave

I had considered using a 3D printer with a digitizing scanner and duplicate the red 'E' tonearm transport clip, while making it out of a pliable plastic same as B & O did. That is an option, and will consider after locating someone local that has that capability and equipment. Hopefully, I'll see if by chance someone in this forum has a lead on just obtaining the original supplied 'E' clip with each turntable. Obviously, B & O did their development with great success on this simple securing clip. Mostly I am upset at myself for misplacing the one for my second 4002.

As for the carriage locking down screw. I bought both of my 4002's new one is a type 5503 and the other is a 5513. In fact, I used to be a partner in a B & O dealership in the 1970's. All 4002 came to us with a carriage lock down slot headed 3 mm screw about 12 mm long with an incorporated 4mm x 8 mm sleeve. There is a red strip of paper attached saying "Transport Screw Remove Before Using" It was mounted at the bottom end of the cue solenoid coil, looking from above there is a hole in the tone arm carriage casting that will line up with threads on the cast floating suspension when everything is in the off position. What this screw does is relieve the stress on the worm drive system during shipping. My thought is especially with the rough handling of today's shipments why not be safe and secure everything possible especially on such a delicate mechanism .

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joeyboygolf replied on Wed, May 27 2015 7:25 AM

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All the 4000 series had one.

If all else fails.........read the instructions!

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Dave Farr replied on Wed, May 27 2015 9:17 AM

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joeyboygolf:

All the 4000 series had one.

If all else fails.........read the instructions!

It isn't in any of the user manuals - it only says that the unpacking and set-up is in a seperate manual.  I can't find that on Beoworld or anywhere else for that matter.

I've never received one of this series of TT's with it used.  That's why it was a surprise to me.  I've got the tonearm clips but no info on the lock down screw.  I can't even remember it being referred to before either.

Dave..

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kent_goldy replied on Wed, May 27 2015 9:42 AM

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Dave

New to this forum and not certain that I can post pictures like I can on the Luxman forum, if you send me your e-mail address I will shoot a couple of quick pictures of the transport lock down screw with the red tag. No reason for anybody to get snippy I'm certainly not an authority on which versions of which owners manuals and installation manuals were included for all the different markets through out the world that  B & O distributing the assorted Beogram 4000 series to. I can only speak for the ones that we got here in the States back in the late 1970's all we sold including a carriage transport shipping lock down screw. On another note,  , I will be certain that I can say I have the very first 4002 type 5503 that was ever brought here to the State, it came direct from the Colorado B & O rep, George Grant who had just come from B & O in Chicago, our shop was his first stop and it never left,  in fact first USA sample went into my living room that night. To this day never seen one with as beautiful a rosewood base. So as you can imagine I am very attached and careful shipping these Beograms around the world as I move.

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Dave Farr replied on Wed, May 27 2015 9:50 AM

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They deserve to be shipped with utmost care as they are incredible decks and It's great that you are so considerate in your shipping.  Many of these have been destroyed by bad shipping.

Nobody is 'snippy'.  As someone said to me recently 'only cowards read instruction manuals'.  It's not something I subscribe to though as there are usually all sorts of hidden gems in manuals that make life easier.

I'll send you a PM.

Pictures are actually easy to post here.  There is a tutorial thread somewhere.  If you have a picture in Photobucket for example, just copy the direct link to it, click on the 'insert media' tab on the Beoworld post you're starting, copy the link into the field under the 'from a URL' section, change the size to something like 800x760 and hit 'insert'.

Dave.

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joeyboygolf replied on Wed, May 27 2015 2:37 PM

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It is in the user manual for the 4002 in the BeoWorld library!

http://www.beoworld.org/download.asp?file=BG4002_user-eng.pdf

Look in the section headed assembly after transport.

I used the screw on every 4000 series that I ever sold. Hence I could send them all over the world and they didn't get wrecked in transit.

I kept it quiet for commercial reasons.

I gave up selling them after several years because they still needed installation by a competent person. In particular, the shutter system at the base of the tone arm moved during transit and needed setting up by someone who knew which end of a screwdriver to hold. Not much of a job for an enthusiast but not all clients were enthusiasts!

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Ben_S replied on Thu, May 28 2015 6:44 PM

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I managed to find a spare red clip from Martin (Dillen) so drop him a PM.

I have seen the screw in place on a few of these decks but not all, I guess they do go missing after many years, especially if they are well travelled. 

Ben