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Connecting a turntable to a BV11

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rxcohen Posted: Mon, Aug 24 2015 4:48 PM

In the near future I may be buying a high-end non-BO turntable and a phono pre-amp. I am trying to figure out how to best integrated it into my existing set up, while maintaining the highest fidelity.

Current set up is as follows: BV11 with BL1s + BL19, BS9000 connected to the BV11 using SPDIF. In this set up, would I be able to connect the phono pre-amp directly to the BV11 (and which connection/cable??

Another option, I am guessing, would be to connect to the BS9000 AUX. 

 

Any suggestions would be welcomed...

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The best way to do this IMHO is with a NL/ML converter. 

Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there 

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Sal replied on Mon, Aug 24 2015 5:19 PM

Or... a Beosound Moment (using the RCA inputs), of course, more expensive than an NL/ML converter, but it does more too. 

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Raeuber replied on Mon, Aug 24 2015 5:33 PM
You can use AUX input at BS 9000 or mini-scart input at BV 11. You'll need special cables for connection; Steve at SoundsHeaven will help.

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I would advise against using the AV input on the TV direct. It's the worst way to do it sound wise. 

Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there 

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BeoMegaMan:

I would advise against using the AV input on the TV direct. It's the worst way to do it sound wise. 

Hi,

I'm curious about this statement. Could you please be more specific.

Thanks

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I should clarify the statement. Not sound as in sound of the music wise. As in only sound coming into that input with no video wise. The best way to connect to the system with only an analog audio input IMHO would be to connect the pre-amp to the BLC or use the 9000 aux input. Getting a AV input to scart cable to scart cable to RCA adds more connections and is a bulky solution to achieve the results desired. If budget is a concern than obviously this is the least expensive method. Not to mention you would need to P.Mute every time on that input to kill the screen. 

Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there 

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Raeuber replied on Tue, Aug 25 2015 7:51 PM
I would also prefer AUX input of BS 9000 although I wouldn't expect a worse sound if using scart input of BV11. But always pressing PMUTE to switch off the screen is not much fun, especially because it's (still) not possible to start BV11 in audio mode.

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If I understood the op right, the BS9000 is only connected to the BV11 via spdif.

Will the analog AUX (and the radio) be transferred via spdif from the 9000???

For this to happen it would have to have an Analog -> Digital Converter built in too (which I have never heard of).

Personally I would not hesitate to use the AV-input. But I would wish, that it could be possible also for this input to choose, for how long the screen should stay on, if at all.

Having to use the P.Mute, when playing a vinyl, would not keep me from using it.

Note: I am not sure, that you can use the AV-input, if you already use the spdif-input.

If my memory serves me well, this was possible earlier, but 'disapeared' with one of the updates.

So on my V1 - it might be different on the BV11?

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If there is no BLC in the setup (as I understood the op), you can't use the Aux-in of it ;-(

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BeoMegaMan:

The best way to do this IMHO is with a NL/ML converter. 

I agree on that.

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Raeuber replied on Tue, Aug 25 2015 10:57 PM
Millemissen:

If I understood the op right, the BS9000 is only connected to the BV11 via spdif.

Will the analog AUX (and the radio) be transferred via spdif from the 9000???

For this to happen it would have to have an Analog -> Digital Converter built in too (which I have never heard of).

Personally I would not hesitate to use the AV-input. But I would wish, that it could be possible also for this input to choose, for how long the screen should stay on, if at all.

Having to use the P.Mute, when playing a vinyl, would not keep me from using it.

Note: I am not sure, that you can use the AV-input, if you already use the spdif-input.

If my memory serves me well, this was possible earlier, but 'disapeared' with one of the updates.

So on my V1 - it might be different on the BV11?

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If there is no BLC in the setup (as I understood the op), you can't use the Aux-in of it ;-(

MM

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Hi MM,

I didn't ever use SPDIF output of BS 9000. If you only get the digital signal from CD player and not from radio, it's quite sure that you also will not get the signal from AUX input.

I also don't if you can't use mini scart input at BV 11 if already SPDIF input is used. At my BV 7 I have so many scart and SPDIF inputs for many different digital and analogue devices, so it's very sad if you can't even connect two devices (one digital and one analogue) to BV 11.

In my point of view it would be a shame if it is not possible to connect a turntable to BV11-BS9000 combo without buying such an expensive device like ML/NL-converter.

Räuber

BTW: I took already a look into manual of BS9000: Digital output provides only the signal of the CD player.
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You can connect it!

The question is, whether you can use the AV-input AND the spdif-input for two different devices (on a BV11). That still needs to be answered.

You refer to the BV7, but do you really use/need these many inputs nowadays?

Of course the NL/ML Converter is not cheap, but it is still the best way to connect a ML-device and a turntable to a NL-based tv. Considering what you had to pay for the BV7, the costs for the converter should not be the problem ;-))

Imo - using the spdif (of the BV11) for connecting a BS9000 is not the most elegant solution. Rather fussy to control and limited to the transfer of the cd-part of it.

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Raeuber replied on Tue, Aug 25 2015 11:26 PM
Sometimes I use the analogue inputs of BV7. E.g. I have a camcorder with analogue in- and outputs and a few months ago I tested my 30 years old Onkyo tape deck with some of my hundreds of tapes; it was much fun to see that all is still working.

The best solution to use a turntable would be to connect it to AUX of BS9000, replacing BV11 by BV10 and connecting BV10 and BS9000 via Masterlink. Then life becomes easy again... Big Smile

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One step forwards and two steps backwards - brings you on safe grounds 😎

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rxcohen replied on Wed, Oct 7 2015 5:30 PM

So a quick update - had Steve at Sounds Heavenly make a cable (RCA-miniDVI) to connect the integrated amp to the BV11 and it works perfectly. And MM you are correct, you can only use SPDIF or the DVI, not both. At the end this is a cleaner setup - I now have the BS9000, turntable/phono and macmini all feeding into the integrated amp, and just one cable going to the BV11. So no ML/NL converter needed. I am more impressed with the flexibility of the BV11 every day. 

Thanks everyone for the input.

 

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Sal replied on Wed, Oct 7 2015 5:58 PM

What cable is going from the integrated amp to the Beovision 11?

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rxcohen:

Another option, I am guessing, would be to connect to the BS9000 AUX. 

Any suggestions would be welcomed...

Connecting it to the BS9000 AUX won't help you, when the 9000 is connected using spdif - the spdif won't pass through the sound from an analog connected device.

Whether you can use/configure the spdif-in and the mini-A/V port of the BV11 independently or not, I am not sure?

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rxcohen replied on Thu, Oct 8 2015 6:41 PM

Sal:

What cable is going from the integrated amp to the Beovision 11?

 

I used this cable http://soundsheavenly.com/input/137-9-pin-av-cable-for-beovision-11-12-new-generation-avant-v1-and-beosystem-4-rca-phono-input.html from Steve, except I asked him to build a bespoke version. It works very nicely. The only drawback to the whole solution is that I do not have remote control capability on the BS9000, but this is very minor. 

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rxcohen replied on Thu, Oct 8 2015 6:45 PM

Millemissen:

rxcohen:

Another option, I am guessing, would be to connect to the BS9000 AUX. 

Any suggestions would be welcomed...

Connecting it to the BS9000 AUX won't help you, when the 9000 is connected using spdif - the spdif won't pass through the sound from an analog connected device.

Whether you can use/configure the spdif-in and the mini-A/V port of the BV11 independently or not, I am not sure?

MM

 

You can't - you can only configure one or the other which is rather strange. I am not sure why it was designed this way. 

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rxcohen:

You can't - you can only configure one or the other which is rather strange. I am not sure why it was designed this way. 

Thanks for clarifying.

It is the same with my V1 - however, I was not sure, if this was so with the BV11, too.

So - it seems, that there is no solution for your wanted setup....other than buying the NL/ML Converter.
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rxcohen replied on Fri, Oct 9 2015 1:27 PM

Millemissen:

rxcohen:

You can't - you can only configure one or the other which is rather strange. I am not sure why it was designed this way. 

Thanks for clarifying.

It is the same with my V1 - however, I was not sure, if this was so with the BV11, too.

So - it seems, that there is no solution for your wanted setup....other than buying the NL/ML Converter.
MM

 

You may have missed part of the thread, as the solution was very simple. I ordered an RCA-miniDVI cable and connected the integrated amp to the miniDVI port on the BV11. The BS900, turntable and macmini now all connect to the AMP. Works great and no NL/ML converter needed.

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Sorry rxcohen,

I don't know of any 'miniDVI' port on the BV11!

Could you post a picture of the cable and the 'AMP', that you are using.

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I just re-read the post with the link to the cable.

What you mean, is the 'mini-din input' for the A/V port on the BV.

DVI was, what puzzled me - that is a video interface!

Then you must have some kind of switch or pre-pro with line-out connected to the RCA's, since you have more sources connected this way (?).

A possibility, yes - but not the easiest way to control your periferials. It would be much smoother using the converter.

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