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Beovision 7 40 mk 5 ,beovision 6x3, beosound 3000, beogram 3300 , 2 x lc2, 2 x beocom 1401, beocom 6000 x 2, 5 x beo4,
, 4 x beolab 4's, form 2, h2, a2,a1 and a beolab 2 😀😀
BeoSound 3 is really good repairable. Maybe except for that touchpanel but I think this is still available for a reasonable price.
The problem seams to be that the dealers and official repair shops don't want to or aren't allowed to dive any deeper into the product than changing modules...
bramble:I have an idea for your bs3! See afterlife thread.
I received my player just earlier this year and already I have problems
BeoGreg:I paid 598 € in november 2006 (list was 630 €). It drives me mad it can't be repaired at a fair price. I need a radio on a wall bracket with battery so I need my BS3 back. I'll go to the shop next week, if it can't be done seriously I'm out of the game I won't buy anymore B&O product in my life and I'm going to say it at the factory.
Duels:I don't think 9 years is too bad a life for a €600 product to be honest. If it could be repaired then that's a real bonus. Just my opinion.
Did you this thread on our forum?
http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/1432/85173.aspx#85173
Great tip.
Never had the idea to try this. I still have a "spare" touchpad where only half of the volume ring isn't working anymore. Might be worth a try...
Additionally I want to add please don't try to lift the pad by inserting any metal tools between it and the case as it is described there.After unscrewing the bottom you can easily remove the speaker grill by releasing the snaplock and sliding it downwards. Then you gain access to that large metal clamp that holds the touchpad right above the LED displayJust insert a flat screwdriver below that silver clamp and gently push it upwards.It should make CLICK then and the touchpad is loose.
Please make sure using electronically contact spray and not normal oil spray.
Duels: I don't think 9 years is too bad a life for a €600 product to be honest. If it could be repaired then that's a real bonus. Just my opinion.
I don't think 9 years is too bad a life for a €600 product to be honest. If it could be repaired then that's a real bonus. Just my opinion.
I don't know how old you are but 9 years life span for a €600 radio/mp3 player is embarassing -especially if you call yourself a "premium" brand! A €50 Euro product can easily reach that, too.Bang & Olufsen strongly needs to improve their product quality!!! After the 2nd Beosound 3 and the Beosound 1 died, even my wife doesn't like Bang & Olufsen anymore. She now changed her mind and calls it "expensive designer rubbish"! I think this is the worst thing for a company to happen to a customers mind! What to argue against that when her Panasonic compact hifi works fine after 20 years? Same goes for some of my Sony, Technics, Kenwood, Yamaha Hifi components: Working fine after 20-25 years without problems!But I have the feeling that Bang & Olufsen doesn't care about their product quality!
Does anybody know about the price of the top panel? Or maybe one should hack that thing and replace it with a top plate that works for decades - like exepected to do.Maybe it would be doable to copy the faceplate, produce a mechanical wheel like the essence remote controller, make capacitive backlit buttons and use glass or strong (good!) plastics colored in a silver/grey tone with red backlit buttons. :)
TWG:Maybe it would be doable to copy the faceplate, produce a mechanical wheel like the essence remote controller, make capacitive backlit buttons and use glass or strong (good!) plastics colored in a silver/grey tone with red backlit buttons. :)
I like that idea. But the mechanical wheel would be to expensive. Going completely capacitive could be a nice solution.A PCB with capacitive layout on front and a MCU in one of the unused corners of the back.A screen printed glass plate could easily be glued on...
Backlit buttons are not possible since they are too small for placing more than one reversed LED in the middle. One might be possible but then you only have a dot.
TWG:I don't know how old you are but 9 years life span for a €600 radio/mp3 player is embarassing -especially if you call yourself a "premium" brand! A €50 Euro product can easily reach that, too.
600 EUR was an awful lot of money for what is basically just an FM radio. Especially when there wasn't even the provision to connect external speakers apart from to the headphone socket. I don't think more than a 9 year lifespan is unreasonable. I'd expect it to last much longer - especially with little use. There was an inherent design flaw with the touchpad which was never properly addressed by B&O much to their shame.
I bought a second life one last year and it's failed now too. I didn't pay that much for it but it's hardly used and just sits there looking pretty. I'm still disappointed with it and yes, it does affect my views on B&O quality, customer care and B&O reliability even though I'm a brand champion and have had other good experiences.
For B&O haters, this is the kind of product and issue they will sieze on to lambast the brand further.
Dave.
+1
we tend to forget there is more to design than designing.
BeoMotion: I like that idea. But the mechanical wheel would be to expensive. Going completely capacitive could be a nice solution.A PCB with capacitive layout on front and a MCU in one of the unused corners of the back.A screen printed glass plate could easily be glued on... Backlit buttons are not possible since they are too small for placing more than one reversed LED in the middle. One might be possible but then you only have a dot.
I've testet yesterday: The Essence wheel hast exactly the same diameter as the touch volume "wheel" of the Beosound 3. :)I thought there could be some red backlit buttons like in the Beosound Century or the old Beocenter 9xxxx-Series. I thought that could be possible with red SMD-LEDs. As I'm not an engineer: What is "MCU"? The top plate including button text can be precisely cut and engraved with a laser.@Mark: I like the Beosound 3, too. That's why I'm especially angry about its lousy(!) quality!
TWG:I've testet yesterday: The Essence wheel hast exactly the same diameter as the touch volume "wheel" of the Beosound 3. :)I thought there could be some red backlit buttons like in the Beosound Century or the old Beocenter 9xxxx-Series. I thought that could be possible with red SMD-LEDs. As I'm not an engineer: What is "MCU"? The top plate including button text can be precisely cut and engraved with a laser.
MCU - microcontrollerWe would need one to emulate the original keypad. If there are capacitive buttons or a rotary encoder we get digital signals (1/0) from them. As far as I know the original one is "analog" and works similar like the old resistive touchscreens. So we need to translate digital into analog signals the BS3 mcu understands.
The only possibility when it comes to the price is using capacitive buttons as I have written above. Everything else would be too expensive.
It is possible to put larger cooper areas on the topside of a PCB. Those can be used as capacitive buttons. If the layout is done correctly you can even have a capacitive rotary wheel. This is exactly how the wooden side of the BS Moment works.
On the topside of this PCB you can then glue a glass plate where the button text was screen printed before. Since there is no space between PCB and glass it is not possible to have backlit on the buttons. Only simple dots are possible using a special LED that gets reverse mounted on the backside and shines through a little hole in the PCB.
If there is really a demand for it since the original top gets to expensive or isn't available any more such a solution could be sold for somewhere around 100,- Euro.
The new interface could be equipped with a serial port so that it is possible to control all functions also via a Raspberry Pi that can be easily mounted inside the BS3. This way it would be possible to extend it with AirPlay and Bluetooth.
I unplugged the charge cable to my BS3 about a month ago as it was not responding to the touch panel or was erratic - touch 'Delete' and the radio played but then wouldn't turn off, aerial wouldn't go up or down, volume control inoperative etc. I thought it was about to become a flower vase too.
However, once the battery was completely dead, I've plugged it in again and it's as new! Everything works as it should, very gentle touch needed to make anything work etc. I don't know how long it will last?
@BeoGreg - if you have no need for your BS3 wall hanger, I'd take it off your hands (or wall). I hope you can get it fixed - mine mysteriously works 100% after letting the battery drain completely and then just plugging it in again!
BeoMotion: MCU - microcontrollerWe would need one to emulate the original keypad. If there are capacitive buttons or a rotary encoder we get digital signals (1/0) from them. As far as I know the original one is "analog" and works similar like the old resistive touchscreens. So we need to translate digital into analog signals the BS3 mcu understands. The only possibility when it comes to the price is using capacitive buttons as I have written above. Everything else would be too expensive. It is possible to put larger cooper areas on the topside of a PCB. Those can be used as capacitive buttons. If the layout is done correctly you can even have a capacitive rotary wheel. This is exactly how the wooden side of the BS Moment works. On the topside of this PCB you can then glue a glass plate where the button text was screen printed before. Since there is no space between PCB and glass it is not possible to have backlit on the buttons. Only simple dots are possible using a special LED that gets reverse mounted on the backside and shines through a little hole in the PCB. If there is really a demand for it since the original top gets to expensive or isn't available any more such a solution could be sold for somewhere around 100,- Euro. The new interface could be equipped with a serial port so that it is possible to control all functions also via a Raspberry Pi that can be easily mounted inside the BS3. This way it would be possible to extend it with AirPlay and Bluetooth.
If it's expandable I would also argue for Beo 4 control with the commands "Radio" or "A.Tape" :-) The IR-Sensor could be hidden behind the grill without being seen or down in the black plastic base.
TWG: Ok, understood. So it would be 1.) easier and 2.) cheaper to use standard analog buttons? Maybe clear plastic/silicon which could be easily backlit. For example like these soft buttons (Nr. 5 and Nr.7 are active on the picture): http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/yamaha-dx200-735163.jpg If it's expandable I would also argue for Beo 4 control with the commands "Radio" or "A.Tape" :-) The IR-Sensor could be hidden behind the grill without being seen or down in the black plastic base.
Ok, understood. So it would be 1.) easier and 2.) cheaper to use standard analog buttons? Maybe clear plastic/silicon which could be easily backlit. For example like these soft buttons (Nr. 5 and Nr.7 are active on the picture): http://medias.audiofanzine.com/images/normal/yamaha-dx200-735163.jpg
No, the best solution is to use capacitive buttons. When using normal push buttons you are either limited to ugly plastic ones or have to put a huge amount into developing nice and tactile caps for it.Nice buttons with great looking backlit are always causing a lot of headache during development...
See this video how capacitive buttons work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUxbehXSiJA PCB layout is a bit tricky but as soon as it works it is undestroyable and will nearly last forever.
Let me finish that ML project first. Then I come back to this one. Ultimately we could even build in wireless ML functionality as soon as the BeoPi ML PCB is working. That would be cool... :-)
Dave Farr:@BeoGreg - if you have no need for your BS3 wall hanger, I'd take it off your hands (or wall).
I had one of the original Tivoli radios, in the wood case, plug in, no batteries, for years. Finally gave it to a friend as I got to where I didn't use it as radio sucked. Did use it for a long time on my desk at work, plugging my iPod into it. Great little radios, amazing sound quality for the size. Mine was reliable as a rock too, nothing ever broke.
Good choice!
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Dave Farr:Not what my wife will be having on the kitchen table tonight! Dave
Dave
After this mornings success when I just plugged it in and it all worked perfectly, now the battery is fully charged, it's back to square one! I can't turn it off, change volume or anything. I think I may try to invest in a new battery and see if that helps! It's in a cupboard running down the power where nobody can hear it. Strange as the touchpad worked flawlessly when the battery was low.
TWG: Dave Farr:Not what my wife will be having on the kitchen table tonight! Dave This sounds like "censored scenes"....
Tried to raise a smile - about all I can at my age now! I meant that we will be having sausages and eggs etc tonight for our meal with no radio on the table! What did you think I meant?