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Can folks with some experience with the following devices please let me know if the following behaviors are possible based on what my use case may likely be.
I’m planning on having the Moment (or) Essence in a dedicated music listening area directly connected to a set of Beolab speakers.
I have an always on Mac mini with an iTunes Library, and twonky server running. I also have a NAS with Plex running, but that NAS currently doesn’t have much music on it. I can confirm that the Beovision 11 can “see” both servers in HOMEMEDIA, both Plex and Twonky, and I can choose from media between the two.
1. Can the Moment or Essence be connected to two servers at once (ie. Twonky on the Mac Mini and Plex on the NAS. I don’t need either device to consolidate the media or anything like that, but it would be nice if they could.
2. I have no experience with the Beomusic app, how does it access media located on servers on the same network, or does it?
3. If I select some media from the Beomusic app, and click Play, is it streaming from the phone to the Moment or Essence via what -- WiFi or Bluetooth? How does that work?
4. Let’s say I have a Moment or Essence in a different room, but on the same network, ie. they’re netlinked to the Beovision 11 which has a pair of speakers connected to it. What do I need to do in order to listen to music from the speakers connected to the Beovision 11, and exactly what, if anything will show on the Beovision 11 screen?
5. If I’m playing a piece of music selected on the screen of the Moment’s tablet, and I open the Beomusic App, will I see the piece of music playing on the Moment? With the album artwork? Is it basically like a two-way remote?
6. Let’s say I have both an essence and a Moment, how would I control both from the same remote, that is, what function key / button would I require for the Essence, which for the Moment? Or would one keypress operate both?
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That’s all for now. Thanks for all your help!
Hi, Sal
Here is the answer to your questions hope it will help you.
1. Yes. as long as you use beomusic app. this apps will give u the oportunity to select which server u want to use. try to navigate your beomusic and learned how to use it. but remember all bno unit must be in same network as your nas storage. or whatever server you use as long as it was a dlna certified.
2. you must download the beomusic apps to your phone. connect you phone or mac pc to network where u connected bno unit and your nas storage.
they should be connected to same network, then try to navigate your beomusic apps the media service will be visible its content using that apps.
3.In moments case you can stream music both wifi and bluetooth but the essence case it was wifi only
4.you must first Identify the exact model of your bno tv. because there is different kind of bv-11 or you can give the serial number of the tv so that i will check if its capable of link speaker via network.
5. yes.
6. in moments case u can use beo remote one the latest remote of bno. set the remote to beo 4 audio in order to control the beosound moments in case of essence you can only control it via remote control if you connect it with I.R. sensor other than that it is impossible to control it using bno remote control.
ghed_16: 4.you must first Identify the exact model of your bno tv. because there is different kind of bv-11 or you can give the serial number of the tv so that i will check if its capable of link speaker via network.
There are no difference in BV11 that has to do with the question from the poster. All will be able to have Beosound moment connected and let Moment use the speakers. I have that setup. On the screen you see what is played (but no coverart).
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Sal: 4. Let’s say I have a Moment or Essence in a different room, but on the same network, ie. they’re netlinked to the Beovision 11 which has a pair of speakers connected to it. What do I need to do in order to listen to music from the speakers connected to the Beovision 11, and exactly what, if anything will show on the Beovision 11 screen?
You can do a setup so that you e.g. press radio on the remote to play "TuneIN" or Musik to play Deezer. Screen on Beovision will show what channel and music played. No cover art.
Hi, Hiort.
Thanks for your shared Idea and your right. im just want to have the serial number of the tv make a actual programing on the set up. because i was just confuse if it is 11- 40. 46, or 55.
ghed_16:Hi, Hiort. Thanks for your shared Idea and your right. im just want to have the serial number of the tv make a actual programing on the set up. because i was just confuse if it is 11- 40. 46, or 55.
Hiort is right - what matters is the actual software running on the tv - not the screensize.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Sal: 6. Let’s say I have both an essence and a Moment, how would I control both from the same remote, that is, what function key / button would I require for the Essence, which for the Moment? Or would one keypress operate both?
I assume, that you mean from the physical remote (Beo4/BeoRemoteOne) not the app!
Usually when you have both (Moment/Essence), you would have them in seperate rooms.
Since the Beo4/BeoRemoteOne uses ir for controlling, you would (normally) only be controlling one of these at the time.
Note: the Essence would in that case need the extra ir-receiver for ir-controlling.
However, if you mean control these from the BV11 via one of the remotes, it is different.
You don't control the Moment (or the Essence), you control the sources, that are on the NL-network (and that are connected to the tv).
You will have to set up (as Hiort wrote above) these sources via the 'product connection' menu and you must map the wanted sources (e.g. the Tune-in radio from the Moment) to a 'button' of your own choice. Most people would use the 'radio button/keystroke' for that. This means, that (all done) you will just have to push 'radio' to listen to Tune-IN from the Moment.
You do exactly the same to get access to other sources of the Moment/Essence, when they are network-linked.
Hope this helps!
Sal: 1. Can the Moment or Essence be connected to two servers at once (ie. Twonky on the Mac Mini and Plex on the NAS. I don’t need either device to consolidate the media or anything like that, but it would be nice if they could. ... That’s all for now. Thanks for all your help!
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Hi Sal,
Maybe there is a missunderstanding, In my experience the BS Moment can not be connected to two different servers at the same time. You have to choose a (one!!) server in the settings. When you select a Server (DLNA/Twonky...) the Moment will start the processing of your files (about 1 hour per 1000 tracks). When you change the server you have to start the whole process again. You can not switch between the servers without a day-eating processing between.
Cheers Beroli
if you have different content on both server locations, why not just let the Mac point to the files on the NAS as well.
This way you could have access to all files from the server running on the Mac - and you would not have to switch between different servers.
Sal: 2. I have no experience with the Beomusic app, how does it access media located on servers on the same network, or does it? you can stream music from Phone and Tablet to the Moment, if you pair the device with the Moment. These Devices will act like a crutch to play their content on the Moment. 3. If I select some media from the Beomusic app, and click Play, is it streaming from the phone to the Moment or Essence via what -- WiFi or Bluetooth? How does that work? Booth 4. Let’s say I have a Moment or Essence in a different room, but on the same network, ie. they’re netlinked to the Beovision 11 which has a pair of speakers connected to it. What do I need to do in order to listen to music from the speakers connected to the Beovision 11, and exactly what, if anything will show on the Beovision 11 screen? If your BV had all updates, you will see the titel/artist and the duration from the "now playing" song on the screen 5. If I’m playing a piece of music selected on the screen of the Moment’s tablet, and I open the Beomusic App, will I see the piece of music playing on the Moment? With the album artwork? Is it basically like a two-way remote? You will not see any coverart in the "now playing" screen on the Moment. If the artist provided a artist picture to deezer you will see this picture on the now-playing-screen - even if the Moment is playing your content from your server. The only was to see the coverart is while browsing your Album and only when your tracks are tagged properly. If you music is tagged well, then you ill see the coverart in your BeoMusic-App as well. ...
you can stream music from Phone and Tablet to the Moment, if you pair the device with the Moment. These Devices will act like a crutch to play their content on the Moment.
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If your BV had all updates, you will see the titel/artist and the duration from the "now playing" song on the screen
You will not see any coverart in the "now playing" screen on the Moment. If the artist provided a artist picture to deezer you will see this picture on the now-playing-screen - even if the Moment is playing your content from your server. The only was to see the coverart is while browsing your Album and only when your tracks are tagged properly. If you music is tagged well, then you ill see the coverart in your BeoMusic-App as well.
Beroli:Hi Sal, Maybe there is a missunderstanding, In my experience the BS Moment can not be connected to two different servers at the same time. You have to choose a (one!!) server in the settings. When you select a Server (DLNA/Twonky...) the Moment will start the processing of your files (about 1 hour per 1000 tracks). When you change the server you have to start the whole process again. You can not switch between the servers without a day-eating processing between. Cheers Beroli
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Millemissen: Hi Sal, if you have different content on both server locations, why not just let the Mac point to the files on the NAS as well. This way you could have access to all files from the server running on the Mac - and you would not have to switch between different servers. MM
Hi, yes this is the only way, to have your whole content on the BS-Moment. Just point the Twonky-Server on your Mac to your NAS and your itunes-collection. But be aware - the Twonky-Server must be always "on". The Moment will of course struggle, if you switch your mac off or you change something in your collection. In some cases you have to start the whole processing again.
I am running a lot of tests with different server configurations lately and talked with some guys from the B&O HQ in Denmark. It was quite productive and they a willing to listen and to improve the device regarding the NAS. Soon I will post the Twonky-Raspberry-setup-guide for all of you, who don't have a Twonky-based NAS or for those, who won't have their Mac always on.
Beroli:I am running a lot of tests with different server configurations lately and talked with some guys from the B&O HQ in Denmark
Hi Beroli,
Did you mention the problems with 7.2.7 on a Mac mini?
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
elephant: BeoMusic app detects and displays DLNA and Twonky servers as they come and go. The Moment is more sophisticated than a simple directory / file server ... However the cost is " a day-eating processing"
BeoMusic app detects and displays DLNA and Twonky servers as they come and go.
The Moment is more sophisticated than a simple directory / file server ... However the cost is " a day-eating processing"
Hi,
That is really interesting. I don't own a essence - just the BeoSound Moment and a couple of servers. But my BeoMusic App don' show any of these DLNA/Twonky-Server at all. Maybe you will need a essence to see your DLNA-Servers.
The day-eating processing is needed fo the mood-wheel and pattern-play functions of the BS-Moment
Chris: Beroli:I am running a lot of tests with different server configurations lately and talked with some guys from the B&O HQ in Denmark Hi Beroli, Did you mention the problems with 7.2.7 on a Mac mini?
We talked about anything on my list posted under the thread from Hiort (One month with the Moment). Yes - now they know my real name ;-) We talked about the Twonky-Server-Settings and about the flaws/bugs I experienced. I sent everything (screenshots, notes) I had to B&O. They were very kind and interested - I had a much better response and feeling, than after the standard answers with no solutions from BeoCare. Let's hope for us all that my hours were spent for good.
Beroli: Let's hope for us all that my hours were spent for good.
Well, let's hope so, I've noticed nothing else but problems with multiroom behaviour since the Moments last update.
I'm also in constant connection by mail with the dealer and Beocare about it.
Beroli: I am running a lot of tests with different server configurations lately and talked with some guys from the B&O HQ in Denmark. It was quite productive and they a willing to listen and to improve the device regarding the NAS. Soon I will post the Twonky-Raspberry-setup-guide for all of you, who don't have a Twonky-based NAS or for those, who won't have their Mac always on. Cheers Beroli
It will - more or less - allways be a problem to have a DLNA server (Twonky or not) on a computer (regardless of Mac or PC), that is used for other things.
When my Mac has to restart because of new updates, the DLNA servers mostly stop and have to be restarted manually.
For a setup with the Moment this is 'deadly' (because of the calculations for PatternPlay).
For a setup with the Essence surely less important.
In general (for the Moment) it would be better to run the server off a NAS.
However - as those of you, who have followed the discussions and (especially) the posts of Beroli, there are certain problems with which NAS's and which version of which server.
Therefore I am looking forward to the 'Twonky-Raspberry-setup-guide', which Beroli is working on.
This might be the right way to go for the BS Moment users - especially for those with large/larger off-line music collections.
Maybe some day that could even evolve into a 'B&O-approved' solution, that the dealers/installers could offer their costumers ;-)
Keep up the nice work, Beroli.
There are now (sigh!) several threads on the subject Essence and co.
Because this is the actual thread, that most people might be reading, I choose to post the info here.
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elephant: If the Moment can link to a V1 and activate it, why does the BeoMusic app's link of the Essence to the V1 fail ?
If the Moment can link to a V1 and activate it, why does the BeoMusic app's link of the Essence to the V1 fail ?
Just to be sure - you mean, that we should be able to 'see' the sources of the Essence in the sourcemenu of the BV's (like it is with the BS Moment)?
And we should be able to turn these on using the 'wheely', the app or the remote, if the essence is (NL-)networked to BV?
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my comment:
I guess - as mostly anything today - it is a software-thing!
Maybe they don't want it to?
Maybe they did not see the need for the use of the BS Essence in this way (could canibalize the sales of the BS Moment?)?
Maybe they just did not have the time for writing the software needed (and other tasks had priority), or they are waiting with that functionallity untill later?
???
Anyway, that it is not possible, is the answer, that I got from Beocare a couple of days ago - the BV/BV's will always assume, that there are loudspeakers connected to the Essence.
On my request, this is passed on as a 'wished-for functionallity' to the team, that works with the Essence.
A couple of days later I got an unexpected mail from the 'fair lady' in Struer/Beocare, that I had had the answer to my original youstion.
She wrote, that she now had talked to 'someone', who told her, that it is possible to registrate the Essence (2nd gen) to the tv (my V1) and map the (joinable) sources - even if the Essence has it's own speakers (in another room).
However, it is not possible to start these sources using the 'wheely' or the app. Also not if you have the Essence solo in the same room. This is only possible with the BS Moment, when linked to the tv.
Since that was just what I (and especially my wife) wanted - to start TuneIN (from the Essence installed in another room) with a push on the (in my case) 'Radio' button - I was very pleased.
Of course I immediately send her a 'bunch of roses'. Great service from Beocare - I think!
Two days later I was in Struer (General Annual Meeting) and had the chance to let 'somebody' show it to me 'in the flesh'.
After the correct setup you push the Radio button and TuneIN starts to play. On the tv screen you see the source (TuneIN from BS Essence) and the name of the played station.
I thought I should post this, since my former post stated, that it is not possible.
So, as of now ----- you can integrate the BS Essence with a NL-tv - but....for the complete integration (starting the source on the tv from the 'wheely', the jukebox or the app) you will need the BS Moment.
This site and it's membership are absolutely knock-your-socks-off amazing. Thank you so much for your insights and help. Unfortunately, it is making my decision even more difficult based on the use case for me and my wife at home. It seems the cleanest approach for the Moment is to place my music on the NAS we have. Unfortunately, there's no Twonky build for the NAS we have. And since the NAS and it's functionality is already pretty well integrated into our workflows, moving to another one just for Twonky is an ordeal I'd like to avoid. Yes, it runs Plex, but the uncertainty of how the Moment will or won't deal with the data makes things difficult as well. Be that as it may...
Here are some more questions, I think I read through this thread that if we wanted to control the essence via a Beo4 or BeoRemote One, we'd have to install and IR receiver (eye) connected to the hideaway box is that right?
Additionally, Can the Essence remote be programmed to control the volume of other B&O devices? For example, can I have one essence remote in the living room, whose sole purpose was a quick way to control the volume of the Beovision11 and whatever sound was coming from the speakers connected to it. That is, would multiple Essence remotes have to be outside of line of sight for the devices they control?
I'd have one essence in the living room, for quick access for volume control for the BV, but another Essence at the other end of the large living room / dining room area, which controls an essence hideaway box?
Can Essence remotes control functions (volume / track) of any BeoPlay devices? (a la the A6 perhaps?)
Finally, unrelated to the Moment or Essence, Can multiple iDevices be connected via bluetooth pairing to an A6? That is to say, if I come home, and my wife is listening to some music on an A6, but I want her to hear something, does she have to unpair her iDevice, and would I have to pair mine, or can she just stop playing her audio, and I can start playing mine with my iDevice pointed to the A6 (having already paired both or all of our iDevices to the A6 at an earlier date?)
Sorry if that's a silly question, but it has been nagging at me. We have an A2, but I haven't had time to experiment device pairing yet.
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Sal:Can Essence remotes control functions (volume / track) of any BeoPlay devices? (a la the A6 perhaps?)
It can control A9 MkII. I bought the wheely for that purpose exactly, very happy with it.
Not sure on A6 or other Beoplay products though. (I wouldn't be surprised to support A6 too, being multiroom product and all...)
1: Yes, you can control the Essence with the Beo-remotes, if you add the ir-eye.
Last thing I heard is, that the ir-eye is not officially supported, but it definitely works.
There may be some changes (and new things) - especially with the direct control on the ir-eye - in time.
In the FAQ's on the B&O website -> costumer service you can find some details on how the sources are mapped to the buttons of the remotes.
2: The 'wheely' can be programmed to send (different) ir-codes and this way control the volume of a tv.
Again, look in the FAQ's to find some details how to do this.
And yes, you can have different programmed 'wheelies' for different devices.
3: The 'wheelies' can be used with all NL-enabled B&O Play products (via bluetooth).
4: As far as I remember the bluetooth devices remembers 5 (or 6?) transmitting devices when once paired.
The scenario, that you describe, should work well.
Please do tell us about your results with pairing multible devices to the A2, once you have had time for it ;-)))
Razlaw:Thanks for the great questions and answers as I am also trying to decide between the Essence and Moment. I prefer the Essence as it has Spotify. But if I am understanding correctly, there is a bit more functionality, perhaps ease of use, with the Moment. As a side note, I emailed Deezer support with a question. They steadfastly maintain that Deezer is not available on the Moment in the US. LOL.
Essence as it has Spotify. But if I am understanding correctly, there is a bit more functionality, perhaps ease of use, with the Moment.
As a side note, I emailed Deezer support with a question. They steadfastly maintain that Deezer is not available on the Moment in the US. LOL.
It is a tough decision.
I usually say, that you will have to decide, if you want to use the two main functions of the Moment (MoodWheel and PatternPlay) for you main listening.
If yes, you should highly consider the Moment. Using the Moment preferably with online (Deezer) content is rather uncomplicated.
If you are more the guy, who wants actively to pick your own music (from your own collection and or from a streaming service), you might be happier with the Essence and the BeoMusic app. If you use Spotify Connect and/or AirPlay, you are good to go with the Essence.
But the Moment might overall be a handier device, since you have everything in one place (the Jukebox) and don't need externals like the 'wheely', a remote or a phone/tablet with the BeoMusic app to control things.
A tough decision, that only you can make!
I connected the IR-eye to the Essence (mk1), and am now able to control the Essence with Be04, Beo5, and to my enjoyment: my BeoTime alarm clock and my A9 keyring.
The alarm´s speaker is broken, so the alarm doesn't sound, it simply turns on TuneIn or spotify.
The A9 keyring turns TuneIn on and off :)
"You think we can slap some oak on this thing?"
Millemissen:It is a tough decision. I usually say, that you will have to decide, if you want to use the two main functions of the Moment (MoodWheel and PatternPlay) for you main listening. If yes, you should highly consider the Moment. Using the Moment preferably with online (Deezer) content is rather uncomplicated. If you are more the guy, who wants actively to pick your own music (from your own collection and or from a streaming service), you might be happier with the Essence and the BeoMusic app. If you use Spotify Connect and/or AirPlay, you are good to go with the Essence. But the Moment might overall be a handier device, since you have everything in one place (the Jukebox) and don't need externals like the 'wheely', a remote or a phone/tablet with the BeoMusic app to control things. A tough decision, that only you can make! MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
vlohjr1: Millemissen: It is a tough decision. I usually say, that you will have to decide, if you want to use the two main functions of the Moment (MoodWheel and PatternPlay) for you main listening. If yes, you should highly consider the Moment. Using the Moment preferably with online (Deezer) content is rather uncomplicated. If you are more the guy, who wants actively to pick your own music (from your own collection and or from a streaming service), you might be happier with the Essence and the BeoMusic app. If you use Spotify Connect and/or AirPlay, you are good to go with the Essence. But the Moment might overall be a handier device, since you have everything in one place (the Jukebox) and don't need externals like the 'wheely', a remote or a phone/tablet with the BeoMusic app to control things. A tough decision, that only you can make! MM There is a tv - and there is a BV. The reason why 12 months free deezer is included is to enable bo to secure another music streamer hopefully spotify within a year I've been told
Millemissen: It is a tough decision. I usually say, that you will have to decide, if you want to use the two main functions of the Moment (MoodWheel and PatternPlay) for you main listening. If yes, you should highly consider the Moment. Using the Moment preferably with online (Deezer) content is rather uncomplicated. If you are more the guy, who wants actively to pick your own music (from your own collection and or from a streaming service), you might be happier with the Essence and the BeoMusic app. If you use Spotify Connect and/or AirPlay, you are good to go with the Essence. But the Moment might overall be a handier device, since you have everything in one place (the Jukebox) and don't need externals like the 'wheely', a remote or a phone/tablet with the BeoMusic app to control things. A tough decision, that only you can make! MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
There is a tv - and there is a BV.
The reason why 12 months free deezer is included is to enable bo to secure another music streamer hopefully spotify within a year I've been told
Not true. The 12 months free is the work around for the US exclusives that Bose and Sonos have with natural subscribing. If it comes as a "gift card" from a company in Denmark Deezer doesn't mind it happening. Until Spotify opens up their API I wouldn't expect the Moment ever to have it beyond the Spotify Connect feature so you can "sudo" distribute with the system.
Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there
I echo Razlaw's comments. Thank you for the comments and answering the questions.
It continues to be a difficult decision... Heck I might have to get one of each and try them out.
leosgonewild:I connected the IR-eye to the Essence
Some more questions about the Essence and Moment in no particular order:
1. If I have speakers connected to my BV11, and have an Essence mkII white box connected via ethernet in the same room as my BV 11, how would I listen to music from the Essence from the BV11 speakers? I don't think the Essence is a Netlink product like the Moment is, so merely hitting play in BeoMusic wouldn't do anything, right?
2. If I have a NAS with music on it, as well as another always on-Mac with music, both the NAS and the Mac have Twonky (or some kind of DLNA SW running on it)... Can the moment be told to look for media on both machines at the same time? Or does the Moment allow the user to set up only one local source for music?
2a. If the Moment does allow multiple local sources for music (ie. 2 Macs with Twonky on them, or a combination of a NAS and Computers)... does the Moment combine the media into one pooled library for the user to choose from?
3. How often does the Moment rescan the library for new music? I think this was answered early on when the Moment was first released, but I wanted to know if the behavior has now improved. If you add a few tracks to your music library on your NAS or MAC running Twonky every week, lets say.... How long would it take for the two newly available tracks to appear on the Moment's screen? And, would patternplay / moodwheel require a total rescan of the entire library?
3a. I remember early on, a restart of a NAS or computer would require a complete rescan, is this still the case, or does the moment now remember a "snapshot" to make the rescan take less time?
Thanks so much!
1: you won't be able to start the (Essence) playback on the tv by using the 'wheely', no.
You will have to configure the BV11 to connect to the BS Essence, and assign the commands/the buttons on the remote to the available sources. This is the way you use the Essence with a NL-BV as described to me and demonstrated in Struer a week ago.
That this works different than with the BS Moment does not mean, that the Essence (2nd gen) isn't a 'Netlink product'. It just means, that this is the way the software was written.
2: the Soundheart can only connect to one DLNA/Twonky server at the time. You best let it stay connected to one of tours!!! Otherweise it will take hours (depending on the amount of files, you have) for the MoodWheel/PatternPlay calculation to finish. User Beroli has written a lot about this in several posts.
3: the Moment does not rescan for new tracks - this is done by the server. How often depends on the settings there. Don't confuse this with the MW/PP calculations. These are different and a unique B&O/Moment feature.
For further information on 2 and 3: search for the posts of Beroli. He is the man to answer these questions!
Thanks MM for the answers. That makes sense. Both products have their strengths and weaknesses. I'm still a bit torn.
The Moment has the flexibility of placement in a B&O network that the Essence does not. Yet the Essence seems to be more source agnostic than the Moment. That being said, maybe the killer App here is BeoMusic, which can be the source for both the Moment or the Essence, is that right?
I can play a song selected from the BeoMusic App on a Moment, correct? Therefore, If everything in my setup is off. And I open Beomusic, select a source, and a title, and play it... will the Moment activate, and play via either directly connected speakers, or speakers connected to a BV when netlinked?
In the above situation, what will show on the Moment's screen / on the BV sceen?
If Beroli is reading this, maybe he can respond as well as others?
Sal: Some more questions about the Essence and Moment in no particular order: 2. If I have a NAS with music on it, as well as another always on-Mac with music, both the NAS and the Mac have Twonky (or some kind of DLNA SW running on it)... Can the moment be told to look for media on both machines at the same time? Or does the Moment allow the user to set up only one local source for music? 2a. If the Moment does allow multiple local sources for music (ie. 2 Macs with Twonky on them, or a combination of a NAS and Computers)... does the Moment combine the media into one pooled library for the user to choose from? 3. How often does the Moment rescan the library for new music? I think this was answered early on when the Moment was first released, but I wanted to know if the behavior has now improved. If you add a few tracks to your music library on your NAS or MAC running Twonky every week, lets say.... How long would it take for the two newly available tracks to appear on the Moment's screen? And, would patternplay / moodwheel require a total rescan of the entire library? 3a. I remember early on, a restart of a NAS or computer would require a complete rescan, is this still the case, or does the moment now remember a "snapshot" to make the rescan take less time? Thanks so much!
Just some short answers - I am a little down under - less time to weite down all the stuff I achieved/struggled with the Moment. I am away until the end of next week. Therefore the answer is not perfect - maybe some stepps are missing.
Question 2, 2a
The BS Moment can not be connected to two different servers at the same time. You have to choose a (one!!) server in the settings. When you select a Server (DLNA/Twonky...) the Moment will start the processing of your files (about 1 hour per 1000 tracks). When you change the server you have to start the whole process again.
The only solution for you would:
1. run a Twonky-Server on your Mac (name The Server eg. BeoServer)
2. connect your Mac to your NAS (permanent Network-Drives) / shared Folders or Computers
3. Make sure, that the mac is reconnecting to these network-drives after every reboot/restart
4. In the media-setting of your Twonky-Server you can add more than a local music folder just point the BeoServer to your music-folders of all your network-drives - choose mediatype "music", save it. Now clear the cache under advance and force the BeoServer to do a complete rescan. Wait until the processing is done ( status) disable the refreshing of the BeoServer (0)
5. now you should have all your music combined in one collection
6. Check it by entering the music tab on the upper right corner
7. Choose the BeoServer on the Dlna-Settings in the BS Moment
8. wait until the processing is done - 1hour/1000 tracks (dependng on your network and CPU-Power of your Mac)
Done
But be aware, this solution is only working as long you have your Drives always on and connected. Please check the Power-Saving options on your NAS as well, if the NAS needs to wake up some times, this will have a impact on the delivery speed to your Tonky-Server and finally to your BS Moment as well.
With Twonky 8.1.2 came a feature to combine/merge your music-collection from different shares or Twonky-Servers. I didn't tested it - no time and my music collection is well sorted in one place. If you combine different network shares, please make sure you don't have the same music-track on all shares. If so, you will see double/tripple entrys in your combined collection and therefore on your Moment too.
Question 3, 3a
The BS-Moment won't refresh your music-collection by itself. This is a good decission - because of the first-setup-processing-time. It would be a disaster if, you had to start again, just because one of your shares is switched off. If you want, you can force the Moment to scan for new content in the settings-menu of the BS-Moment. The said issues with the faulty scan fot new content was fixed 2 updates before. So you will only see new content if you start the check-up.
3a)
a complete restart won't have any impact on your Moment, Just follow 3 simple rules, if you are missing some of your content on your BS-Moment.
1. check - if your Server is up and running
2. do a Pin-reset on the BeoSound Moment (Soundheart & Jukebox)
3. if you do some maintenance on your Server shut down your BS-Moment in advance
my previous post is still pending moderation.
...That being said, maybe the killer App here is BeoMusic, which can be the source for both the Moment or the Essence, is that right?
The BeoMusic App is not the source - it's a Remote to start sources like the Moment or the essence. it's a streaming source if you want to stream tracks from your Mobile Device to your Moment/Essence
YES
In the above situation, what will show on the Moment's screen/ on the BV sceen?
It should display your chosen track on the BeoSound Moment. If your BV was switched on, than the Screen should display the said informations as well - if your BV is a newer NL TV
Sal:The Moment has the flexibility of placement in a B&O network that the Essence does not.
Sal:Yet the Essence seems to be more source agnostic than the Moment.
Sal:That being said, maybe the killer App here is BeoMusic, which can be the source for both the Moment or the Essence, is that right?
Beroli: If your BV was switched on, than the Screen should display the said informations as well - if your BV is a newer NL TV
If the Moment is set to use the speakers of the NL-BV, it will turn on the tv, playing the requested 'source'.
The problem (!) with the BS Essence is, that you can't set it to use the speakers of the NL-BV.
Would be nice, if we could - wonder if they will change that some day.
I don't see any technical reason, why it should not be possible - will be a matter of sw.
I have reported that as a request to Beocare - maybe someone else should do that as well!