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Chris ,can I ask if you meant to attatch your family photos to the posting?
I'm kind of bemused about their relevance!
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Simonbeo: Chris ,can I ask if you meant to attatch your family photos to the posting? I'm kind of bemused about their relevance!
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Graham
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Andrew: Does a product have to state where it is made? why not just take off the Made in China sticker and replace it with "by appointment to the royal danish court" ? Some of the magic, for me at least, of B&O was the fact that it was made in Denmark - so it seemed special.
Does a product have to state where it is made? why not just take off the Made in China sticker and replace it with "by appointment to the royal danish court" ? Some of the magic, for me at least, of B&O was the fact that it was made in Denmark - so it seemed special.
I'm not clear on this comment, but regarding the first half of it about making it China but putting some slogan on there about Denmark. It's like saying... "Hey, charge me the same amount but make more profit by taking the values that made your company great with great local people and mass produce my product where everyone else who charges a lot less does, too!. After all, it's just money, I'm cool with it!" And if that was the intent of that, I will never understand that line of thinking.
If Rolex, Vacheron Constantin, Patek, Breguet etc. *EVER* tried to get away with that, they would all be burned at the stake and cease to exist in a matter of months. No one ever said something runs with the "precision of a Chinese watch".
Chris, your Leica is absolutely gorgeous and takes amazing pictures!
What model is that?
Playdrv4me: Andrew: Does a product have to state where it is made? why not just take off the Made in China sticker and replace it with "by appointment to the royal danish court" ? Some of the magic, for me at least, of B&O was the fact that it was made in Denmark - so it seemed special. I'm not clear on this comment, but regarding the first half of it about making it China but putting some slogan on there about Denmark. It's like saying... "Hey, charge me the same amount but make more profit by taking the values that made your company great with great local people and mass produce my product where everyone else who charges a lot less does, too!. After all, it's just money, I'm cool with it!" And if that was the intent of that, I will never understand that line of thinking. If Rolex, Vacheron Constantin, Patek, Breguet etc. *EVER* tried to get away with that, they would all be burned at the stake and cease to exist in a matter of months. No one ever said something runs with the "precision of a Chinese watch". Chris, your Leica is absolutely gorgeous and takes amazing pictures! What model is that?
It's a legal requirement here to have the country of manufacture on the item
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Same in the US.
Jeff
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Playdrv4me:I'm not clear on this comment, but regarding the first half of it about making it China but putting some slogan on there about Denmark. It's like saying... "Hey, charge me the same amount but make more profit by taking the values that made your company great with great local people and mass produce my product where everyone else who charges a lot less does, too!. After all, it's just money, I'm cool with it!" And if that was the intent of that, I will never understand that line of thinking. If Rolex, Vacheron Constantin, Patek, Breguet etc. *EVER* tried to get away with that, they would all be burned at the stake and cease to exist in a matter of months. No one ever said something runs with the "precision of a Chinese watch". Chris, your Leica is absolutely gorgeous and takes amazing pictures! What model is that?
Hi guess what I meant was some indication that it is a danish company, although Bang & Olufsen is probably enough - didn't realise it was a legal requirement in some countries to have the country of manufacture on products.
Chris - the Leica is gorgeous, congratulations.
Amazing photos Chris. I could tell immediately the difference between the Leica and iPhone photo. Smartphone pix have no depth and life whereas a proper camera like the Leica ha real 'life' to it. Really nice :)
Huh...are we at a photo forum😂
Whatever B&O does should be interesting. Change is happening quickly and sometime is very unpredictable. Look at this audio system from the Google company Chromcast. These devices are easily compatible with B&O speakers and TVs. Definitely this is competition for Apple TV and maybe Beosound essence.
https://www.google.com/chromecast/speakers/
linder:Whatever B&O does should be interesting. Change is happening quickly and sometime is very unpredictable. Look at this audio system from the Google company Chromcast. These devices are easily compatible with B&O speakers and TVs. Definitely this is competition for Apple TV and maybe Beosound essence. https://www.google.com/chromecast/speakers/
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elephant: Ditto from Sonos ... article makes very interesting reading - many parallels / lessons for our favourite brand ...
Ditto from Sonos ... article makes very interesting reading - many parallels / lessons for our favourite brand ...
Many companies are nowadays working with some kind of room compensation/speakers correction through DSP.
The great question is - is B&O ahead of this development or behind?
Looking forward to hear results of, what Geoff Martin has been writing about in his recent articles.
Next up will be the BL90.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Actually you can do something about the peaks, it's the nulls that are impossible to correct just with eq. Double the loudness at that freq and you get twice as much cancellation.
My Infinity sub has a built in, one band parametric EQ and came with a test disc, SPL meter, and graph paper and a protractor to measure the Q of any peak. It works well for that, damping out a bad peak, but even they point out it's useless for a null, you need to move the sub to address that.
Andrew: Hi guess what I meant was some indication that it is a danish company, although Bang & Olufsen is probably enough - didn't realise it was a legal requirement in some countries to have the country of manufacture on products. Chris - the Leica is gorgeous, congratulations.
Oh. Yeah, it has to be there regardless. But still, what you're saying is that if you didn't have to see the made in China indication you'd be ok with them making it wherever they want, and my counterpoint is that no matter what, quality and workmanship is not typically the same as it is when a brand or product that WAS manufactured to high standards in the home country of a given company is moved to a mass production line in countries known for mass production. And moreover, when it just allows said company to just reap more profits without reducing prices, it's even worse. I'm OK with B&O play being made in China because they are targeted at a different audience than traditional B&O equipment.
Even Swiss watches only need to be 60% Swiss by value. Provenance is not always clear.
This recent article is interesting http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swissness-test_tighter-rules-for--made-in-switzerland--label-by-2017/41639236
Simonbeo: Even Swiss watches only need to be 60% Swiss by value. Provenance is not always clear. This recent article is interesting http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swissness-test_tighter-rules-for--made-in-switzerland--label-by-2017/41639236
60 percent is a lot more domestic part content than anything made in China. And I assure you no Rolex is under probably 99 percent, if not 100. If you've ever visited their laboratory, they pretty much self produce every material they use. Exception is Tudor which uses Swiss ETA movements.
There's also the issue of where the parts that aren't domestic come from. I mean sure, if you put an Italian leather strap on a swiss watch that's a perfectly acceptable reduction in domestic part content because the outside part is also coming from a place known for high integrity and craftsmanship. I doubt any Rolex has a single solitary part from Asia *unless* some Asian country is either the only place to source something, or the best.