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Orfeof Posted: Sat, Nov 7 2015 10:47 PM

Hello, please I need help.I have a BV7 MKIII only screen, I connected it to my BEOSYSTEM 7000 using a Converter 1611 because I want to hear the audio of the TV on Pentas connected to BS. I have set 1 on BV and 1 on BS  but does not feel anything.

What have I wrong about it?

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Are the TV and Beomaster in the same room or different rooms?  Are you sure you set the Options correctly?  Which remote are you using to do this?

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Push 'AV' and then 'TV' (or any souurce button of the BV).

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Orfeof replied on Sun, Nov 8 2015 10:33 AM
Hi, Dave, in the same room there are Beosystem 7000, Beovision 7-40 MKIII, Beovision MX4000, Beolink 7000.
I heve used to set the options Beo4, and Beolink 1000.
The user manual, that I have says for device in the same room set option 1.
Do you know if I the Master Link socket on the tv must be anabled?
I thinking the the prolem is on tv or converter, because when I set option on Beomaster  I can see on its display "oI", but on the tv I see only  the  flashing red dot "stand-by" .
Thanks

 

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Orfeof replied on Sun, Nov 8 2015 10:34 AM
Hi MM,
sorry but I not understand, please can you explain in detail, I'm not so expert.
I for got to writhe that the tv has installed  the tuner DVB-T. 
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The socalled 'AV' function was used to shift the sound of one system (e.g. a BV) to another system (e.g. an audiomaster).

Pushing the 'AV' button on the BeoLink 1000 (it should be there as a hardbutton) before you push the (?) 'DTV' button (= 'SAT') should shift the sound from the BV7 to the BSystem7000 - if properly set up.

Note: be sure that the converter is the last device to be powered on after the BV and the BSys7000!

However, a much better solution would be to connect the speakers to the BV7 - the handling is much easier then, since it automatically turns on the speakers for, what is needed.

In that case the BV should be in Option 2 and the audiosystem in Option 0.

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Millemissen:

However, a much better solution would be to connect the speakers to the BV7 - the handling is much easier then, since it automatically turns on the speakers for, what is needed.

In that case the BV should be in Option 2 and the audiosystem in Option 0.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Which is what I was coming to next. That's by far a better solution.

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Orfeof replied on Sun, Nov 8 2015 4:11 PM

Thank you for your answers, I have tried but noting has happened.

I prefer to leave the Pentas connected to Beosystem for a better audio quality.

I listen more music.

Have you other suggestions?

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Are you sure there will be a difference in sound quality? Can't see it myself. Why don't you try it and see. It's a much simpler solution and these types of units are designed to be used via TV's.

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Orfeof replied on Sun, Nov 8 2015 5:45 PM

I have not tried, but many people are agree with this point of view . I believe that however the sound is modified slightly by passing through the television.

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I'm sure the TV won't alter the signal and is effectively just a conduit between beomaster and speakers. If you perceive a difference, you can adjust it to your taste via bass, treble adjustments. No signal will be lost so I think this is just a perceived effect.

I'd be interested to hear other's comments on this as by implication, anyone who is using these systems as designed by B&O (for example by Masterlinking their Beomaster or Beosound systems) are sacrificing sound quality. I can't believe this is the case.

I've run systems both ways and I couldn't tell you f any difference.

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@Orfeo

How is your converter connected?

Which cable(s) do you use.

By the way - I would support Dave in his view on keeping the speakers on the 7000 vs on the BV!!!

P.S. You wrote 'BV7 MKlll only screen' - does that mean, that there isn't any speaker(s) connected to it at all?

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Orfeof replied on Sun, Nov 8 2015 9:47 PM

You're right, Dave, it would be interesting to hear the opinion of people who use this type of connection. For MM, the converter is connected with cable Masterlik to TV, and  to Beolink with Data Link cable to the socket Aux .

In any case Idon't understand, by manual  the setting seems easy to do.

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And the answer to my P.S. question???

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Orfeof replied on Mon, Nov 9 2015 7:57 AM

Sorry MM , I forgot there  is no speakers connectet to BV (I bought only the screen).

Must I use Pentas (possible connected to the BS).

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Orfeof replied on Mon, Nov 9 2015 8:33 PM

Hello everyone, today I contacted support B & O, he said that by connecting the speakers to the BV sound quality does not change. This confirms your opinion.In any case I'm still working about setting the system how I'd like.I'm not able to do it.

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Orfeof replied on Mon, Nov 9 2015 8:44 PM

Hello everyone, today I contacted support B & O, he said that by connecting the speakers to the BV sound quality does not change.

This confirms your opinion.

In any case I'm still working about setting the system how I'd like.I'm not able to do it.

Orfeo

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If the BV7 has no speakers connected, it makes no sense to put it into Option1 - which would mean, that it receives the ir commands and tries to output sound.

However, putting it into Option 0 would mean, that you can't send any controls to it.

Only way - as I see it - is to activate the tv (probably using the DTV/SAT command) and after that send the sound to the BM7000 via the AV command followed by the DTV/SAT command. This should be easy with the BL1000 - if you use the Beo4, you will have to add it to the 'List'.

Did you test that (I have already asked this above)?

But this is not a very 'simple' way of controlling your setup ;-(

Please try out - at least as a test - how things work with the speakers connected directly to the BV7.

Use Option 2 for the BV7 and Option 0 for the 7000-master.

MM

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Orfeof replied on Mon, Nov 9 2015 10:27 PM

Hello MM, I tried using the buttons BeoLink 1000 and AV followed by the DTV / SAT now hear the audio, but you're right is not comfortable.

Connect the Pentas to BV is complicated, the routing cables is difficult to change, but at this point I think I'll try.

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stefan replied on Mon, Nov 9 2015 10:41 PM

Just set your BV to V.OPT 0 and the BM to A.OPT 2.

Now everything should work as you want. The BV will be controled via your BM.

 

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Orfeof replied on Tue, Nov 10 2015 8:39 AM

Hi Stefan, with the you recommended set up using the Beo4 when I press DTV the BS and BV turn on, I listen the  audio BV properly, but I see nothing on TV, probably I wrong something.

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kallasr replied on Tue, Nov 10 2015 9:38 AM

Please search for

   Masterlink Handbook PDF

online and read it to understand what your are trying.

To change options setting you must have the systems in standby.

 

 

Taken from a post from Vienna


A.OPT for audio components like BSd 4, Ouverture,...

V.OPT for video components like BVi 7 / 8 / ...

L.OPT for link products like BLb 3500, BeoLink Aktive, ...

Main-system:
1 and 2

Link rooms:
5 and 6 functions correspond to 1 and 2 but are for secondary "slave" components in additional "Link" rooms
4 functions correspond to 2 but need "LINK"

 

0 = IR disabled - unit can only be operated manually or receive commands via ML

1 = accepts NO commands for "the other side" of main AV system
       V.OPT 1 only commands for video sources like TV, V.MEM, ..
       A.OPT 1 only commands for audio sources like CD, RADIO, ...

2 = accepts all commands for audio and video
      (eg TV receives all commands and sends the audio commands to the audio system in A.OPT 0

3 = not used in the ML system

4 = accepts all commands for audio and video (functions corresponds to 2)
      BUT you'll either have to press "LINK" before the command or have to select a"L.xxx" command
      from the "LIST"  - used to adress eg an additional  BLb 3500 in your living room where the main
      system is also installed.

5 = accepts NO commands for "the other side" (local components and main AV system)
       V.OPT 5 only commands for video sources like TV, V.MEM, ..
       A.OPT 5 only commands for audio sources like CD, RADIO, ...

6 = accepts all commands for audio and video ((local components and main AV system)
       local components have priority - if you have a BSd 9000 in your main room (A.OPT 0/1/2)
       and a BSd 4 (A.OPT 6)  in your secondary room
       - pressing CD will start the local CD of the BSd 4
       - pressing LIST > LINK >CD will get you the sound from your 9000

 

 

Cordiali saluti
Ralf

Living Room: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-2 (Center), Beolab 9 (Fronts), Beolab 8000 (Rears), no Subwoofer. Screen: Sony KD-85XH9096
Dining Room: Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 4000 on stands, fed by Amazon Echo Show 8
Home Cinema: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-4 (Center), Beolab 1 (Fronts), Beolab 4000 (Rears). Projector: Sony VPL-HW55
Home Office: Beosystem 3, Beolab 7-4, Beolab 5000, Screen: Sony KD-55XH9005 on Beovision 7-40 stand, ML to Beosound 9000 MK3 and Beosound 5/Beomaster 5 (1 TB SSD version)
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Orfeof replied on Tue, Nov 10 2015 8:55 PM

Hi Ralf, thanks for the information that you give me, are the same in my manual.

I know what I'm looking for, I want that when I turn on the BV turn on the BS too, and hear the sound by Pentas, connected to stereo.

I can not do this. I have tried many options, but I'm not able to do it .

As  many people suggested, it is easier connect the Pentas to BV.

Kind Regards

Orfeo

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Michael replied on Wed, Nov 11 2015 12:38 AM
I'd suggest in the future not to write, in capital letters, such a general request as the thread subject.

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BeoSound Core, BeoSound 9000, BeoSound Century, 
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kallasr replied on Wed, Nov 11 2015 8:41 AM

Millemissen:

@Orfeo

How is your converter connected?

Which cable(s) do you use.

MM

Maybe a powerlink cable would do the trick?

Ralf

Living Room: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-2 (Center), Beolab 9 (Fronts), Beolab 8000 (Rears), no Subwoofer. Screen: Sony KD-85XH9096
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Home Cinema: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-4 (Center), Beolab 1 (Fronts), Beolab 4000 (Rears). Projector: Sony VPL-HW55
Home Office: Beosystem 3, Beolab 7-4, Beolab 5000, Screen: Sony KD-55XH9005 on Beovision 7-40 stand, ML to Beosound 9000 MK3 and Beosound 5/Beomaster 5 (1 TB SSD version)
Bedroom: Sony KD-65XH9077, Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 6002 and Beolab 11 (all white, wall-mounted)

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kallasr:

Millemissen:

@Orfeo

How is your converter connected?

Which cable(s) do you use.

MM

 

Maybe a powerlink cable would do the trick?

Ralf

No - the onlay 'trick' with adding a PL cable (to the Aux cable) is, that you can start the playback (on the BV/speakers) of an audio source direct from the audio device.

You just have to insert e.g. a CD and push play on the player. No activating through remote control nescessary.

P.S. I never used the PL cable with my 1611 converter setups - no problems there.

MM

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Orfeof replied on Wed, Nov 11 2015 9:08 PM

Michael, you're right, but I thought it was simple.

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Orfeof replied on Wed, Nov 11 2015 9:38 PM

I use a cable Masterlink from Bv to converter and a Data link cable from Beomaster (Aux Sochet) to converter.

So we read in the manual, I also asked confirm to Heavenly Sound that sold me the cables.

Today I have connect the Pentas to Bv (in this way BV op.2 BM op. 0 the Beolink7000 doesn't work),  I confirm that the audio quality is different.

It isn't bad, but it isn't neutral. I think that I'll connect the Pentas to Beomaster, but I hope somebody can help me.

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stefan replied on Wed, Nov 11 2015 10:20 PM

Orfeof:

Hi Stefan, with the you recommended set up using the Beo4 when I press DTV the BS and BV turn on, I listen the  audio BV properly, but I see nothing on TV, probably I wrong something.

The setup will work. It is important to set the BV to V.OPT 0. Try an additional Powerlibk cable between BM and 1611. It will detect the status of the audiosystem. After programming disconnect the 1611 and the BV from the mains. Reconnect some minutes later - 1st BV 2nd converter.

while option setting the whole system must be in stdby mode.

Stefan

 

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Orfeof replied on Thu, Nov 12 2015 9:17 PM

Sorry Stefan , bur where do I connect another power link cable on BM? The Power link socket are occupied by the Pentas .

Orfeo

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kallasr replied on Thu, Nov 12 2015 9:52 PM
You need a y splitter cable, check soundsheavenly (sponsor) to attach the two penta directly. Don't know if pentas can be daisychained (2 powerlink sockets on each speaker?)

http://soundsheavenly.com/bang-olufsen/26-powerlink-compatible-splitter-doubler-2-fully-wired-powerlink-compatible-sockets.html

Ralf

Living Room: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-2 (Center), Beolab 9 (Fronts), Beolab 8000 (Rears), no Subwoofer. Screen: Sony KD-85XH9096
Dining Room: Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 4000 on stands, fed by Amazon Echo Show 8
Home Cinema: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-4 (Center), Beolab 1 (Fronts), Beolab 4000 (Rears). Projector: Sony VPL-HW55
Home Office: Beosystem 3, Beolab 7-4, Beolab 5000, Screen: Sony KD-55XH9005 on Beovision 7-40 stand, ML to Beosound 9000 MK3 and Beosound 5/Beomaster 5 (1 TB SSD version)
Bedroom: Sony KD-65XH9077, Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 6002 and Beolab 11 (all white, wall-mounted)

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Orfeof replied on Thu, Nov 12 2015 10:32 PM

"The setup will work. It is important to set the BV to V.OPT 0. Try an additional Powerlibk cable between BM and 1611."I've tried it, but unfortunately it does not change anything. 

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Orfeof replied on Thu, Nov 12 2015 10:46 PM

Sorry, I meant "The setup will work. It is important to Set the BV to V.OPT 0. It will detect the status of the audiosystem. After programming disconnect the 1611 and the BV from the mains. Reconnect some minutes later - 1st BV 2nd converter ",

I've tried it, but unfortunately it does not change anything.

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stefan replied on Sat, Nov 14 2015 2:45 PM

Orfeof:

Sorry, I meant "The setup will work. It is important to Set the BV to V.OPT 0. It will detect the status of the audiosystem. After programming disconnect the 1611 and the BV from the mains. Reconnect some minutes later - 1st BV 2nd converter ",

I've tried it, but unfortunately it does not change anything.

When you quote me, please do it correctly...

V.OPT 0 won't detect the status of the audiosystem, and I never wrote that.

Please reread my post.

I don't know what's going wrong here, but maybe it is easier to connect the BLs to your BV.

Set them to the correct type of speakers in the BV connections menu, and you will have beautiful sound.

Stefan

 

 

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Orfeof replied on Wed, Nov 18 2015 8:40 PM

Sorry Stefan, I just wanted to say that still is not working.

However, I  have decided to connect the Pentas to BV, everything seems easier.

Thank you all for your cooperation.

Orfeo

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