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Hi,
I need some help to setup my installation for music listening... My BV11, in my living room, is connected to my Mac Mini through HDMI cable and I just bought a Vifa Copenhagen speaker to listen to some music upstairs. By the way, amazing speaker, beautifully crafted (it's also a danish brand!)
The problem is that when I airplay my music using the remote app on my mobile, and select both my Mac Mini and the Vifa speaker, there is a slight delay between the two making the listening experience impossible.
I tried already different setup:
_Vifa connected to my Airport Express with RCA cable
_Vifa connected wirelessly on the same network as my Mac Mini
whatever the setup is, the delay is still there...
Any advices to avoid this problem?
If I do not solve the problem, I will consider replacing the Vifa speaker with lets's say a A6 from B&O and use their Beolink Multiform system. Do you think I will have the same issue though?
Thanks for your help
FREDPERT
BeoVision 11-46 full black - BeoRemote One
Hi Fredperl,
your Mac is outputting the sound direct (not via AirPlay, but via HDMI - I assume) and the Vifa wireless through AirPlay - thus the delay!
This will be a problem with any combination of the Mac/HDMI and an AirPlay device.
The only (Apple/Vifa) solution I see, is to connect another AirPlay device (ATV/APE...) to the BV11 and choose this as output with the Vifa within the Remote app.
But do consider the benefit of adding e.g. an A6 (instead or in addition of/to the Vifa). (Do also look out for, what may come next/soon from B&O.)
Setup as NL you can use the sources of the BV on the A6 and vice versa.
You could (as an example) map the TuneIN/netradio of the A6 on the BV11 and access it directly via your BeoRemote One.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
I think the cause for the delay is the BV11.
I'm also having an old macbook connected to a surround receiver, and most of the time I let it play in itunes and select both the mac and my beolit 12 via airplay. Both are playing in perfect sync.
The problem is your mac is outputting its sound through the HDMI to your tv, which does some processing probably and is causing the delay.
To be certain, try adding simple computer speakers to your mac mini, and let it play through those speakers instead of through your BV11, if they play in sync, then your BV11 is causing the delay.
I'm not sure whether you could connect your mac's sound using an analog connection, so your tv is not processing any hdmi input when playing the sound. For watching video content from your mac, the software could probably be set to use the hdmi as audio output, while itunes is using the analog output?
Beolit 12 - Beolab 4 pc (dead now) - Beoplay H5 - Beolab 9 - BeoRemote One BT - Beoplay M3
@fredperl
'a slight delay between the two'!
Which one is first?
Hi Millemissen,
Thanks for your reply,
I also tried to use the ATV as a source but there's a delay as well, I guess it is because ATV is connected to BV11 through HDMI if I understand correctly what you're saying.
I do not really get what you advise though "The only (Apple/Vifa) solution I see, is to connect another AirPlay device (ATV/APE...) to the BV11 and choose this as output with the Vifa within the Remote app." What do you mean?
What is NL?
Thank you crossbytje, apparently your feedback is consistent with Millemissen's one.
I will try to look after this solution on different forums to see if I can use the analog output for Itunes only. How would I connect the Mac Mini to the BV11 then?
Thanks
@ millemissen, Vifa is the first one.
@fredpert
What I meant, is exactly what you already have done - unfortunately without a good result :-(
NL means NetworkLink - and is the interface used for connecting modern B&O devices (the former - analog - version was MasterLink). You mentioned In your post above: 'BeoLink Multiform' = B&O multiroom. The B&O NL compatible devices can be connected wired or wireless.
Hi fredpert,
try to activate GAME or MONITOR picture mode on the HDMI source where your MacMini is connected to.This will reduce the internal delay (video + audio) in BV11 to its minimum.
BR,BeoMotion.
Good idea 👍
I did not think of that.
Hope it helps (enough).
I quickly tried and it reduces considerably the delay? Thank you very much! I will have to try tomorrow again just to be sure.
@millemissen, you're mentioning something about new B&O speakers that may be released soon... Do you know more about this? I might be interested because I am not a big fan of the A6 that's why I went for Vifa actually...
No, but it was mentioned several times in threads on the forum (and somehow announced from B&O), that a new multiroom speaker will be presented during the CES2015.
In a couple of weeks we will know more.
You could use the headphone jack on the mac, you could connect this to the BV, and keep the hdmi connection for playing video content.
I just checked the manual of the BV11, it does not have a separate analog audio input, but you could maybe use the s/p dif input but I'm afraid the BV will keep on trying to proces the videosignal, and introducing delay. Ideally, the BV would have an audio-only input on which it just ouputs the sound without any delay.
Back in the beginning, I tried to airplay to my Beolit12, and to the XBMC application on the mac, which also resulted in a delay. It was solvable by using some software which handled the airplay streaming and allowed to manually adjust delays. It was not very practical, as the delay was different every time, and using the software was not elegant at all. Now, itunes runs on the mac, outputting its signal directly to a receiver/amplifier, itunes' multispeaker function airplays the sound to my beolit 12, when switched on, in sync. This ofcourse only works if the receiver/amp does not introduce any delay.
The only real solution will probably be using the BV network link like MM suggested, and adding a beoplay speaker, letting B&O manage it's own multiroom streaming.
(This is making me rethink my own setup, which is now old, not integrated, waiting to be upgraded to a nice TV of the likes of BV11/Loewe reference and some B&O speakers, but it's actually working well. Ok, I have to use three remotes, but I can get sound out of my tv-room speakers, and if I switch on my beolit, it automatically picks up the sound in sync. Newer tv's introduce processing and lag!)
I run some tests today with Monitor/Game mode on my BV11. It reduces the delay between the TV and the Vifa speaker but not enough...
I am more and more thinking about buying a B&O speaker featured with Beolink Multiroom. One question though, I only have a BV11 so far. To be able to use the Beolink Multiroom from B&O do I need to have an Essence or a Moment in addition to let's say for exemple an A6 or any coming speaker (let's hope for a new one in the next CES)?
With the Beolink Multiroom, will the delay disappear?
Or would Sonos be a solution? For example, can I use a Sonos Connect linked to the BV11 to avoid the HDMI problem which creates the delay apparently... Then I will have to buy Play speakers instead of my Vifa. Not the same look but... Do you guys have any good or bad expereince with sonos system?
Thanks for you help
Actually, I'm thinking about another solution, what if I connect my Airport Express to my BV11 (you have to tell me how by the way! Audio-in or Spdif... ) Will it solve the problem? Then what source to select on the TV to access those line in (weither it's the analog one or the spdif)?
That is, what I suggested in my first post.
You'll need an adapter for connecting analog audio to the small A/V-in port. You can by that from your B&O dealer.
And you will have to configure the input in the settings of the tv = choose a button on the remote, name the input etc - look in the user guider for howto. Benefit - you can make specific sound settings just for this source and you could even use one of the 3 quick button to activate it (and the settings, you made).
I would try it out to see, if that works better.
Personally I use the spdif input for an audio source on my V1, but - since it isn't an AirPlay receiver - I have no experience with a possible delay of sound.
There is no "audio pass through" function for audio only sources on BV11.There will always be a delay regardless of the input. There won't be any advantage in using the analog input or spdif.
The only change you have is to use the open source AirPlay receiver software "shairport-sync".Since the airplay stream has a latency of about two seconds it is possible to use this offset for sync correction.Please have a look at shairport-sync LINK and the variable "audio_backend_latency_offset".
I think it should be quite self explaining since the documentation is quite good.
thank a lot Beomotion but I am really bad with those kind of technical stuff... How does that work and how do you install it?
After some research on internet it looks like shairport is available for Linux and other systems but not OS X... Am I correct?
I just found Airfoil from Rogue Amoeba... It seems a great solution as apparently it outputs the sound from the Mac Mini as an airplay source... I'll try that tomorrow ;)
Keep you posted.
Cheers
well, shairport is open source and will also run on any mac if compiled correct.
It is also included in the homebrew package manager. Have a look at BUILDING ON MAC OS and HOMEBREW.So according to this you only have to install homebrew and then install shairport with "brew install shairport-sync".I never tried it on a mac but on linux is works perfect.
I'm not sure whether airfoil can solve your sync issue.Does it offer latency settings? Outputting the system sound via airplay is directly integrated into OS X. So no need for airfoil if this is your intention.
Hi Beomotion,