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We have discussed many times about turntables and whether B&O should have one in their product line. We have also discussed the demographic of turntable users. Most have concluded it surely is older B&O users who refuse to give up their Beograms. It is the 21st century and everyone should be subscribing to streaming music.
And then we see something like this. http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/12/28/amazons-top-home-audio-product-this-holiday-was-a-turntable-besting-an-apple-airplay-compatible-receiver
I have said this before. There shouldn't be any argument over digital and analog audio. No need for a choice of one over the other. It is easy and inexpensive to have both. I have long had my music collection in digital form available from my computer network and various ipod devices. Yet I still want my vinyl records accessible as well as cassette tapes. Streaming makes music accessible from anywhere since most people have some sort of device in their possession to get on the internet. That works great and is very nice. However, many people like myself also enjoy sitting at home and firing up a high end vintage audio system. So there is a growing market there. It is similar to when you purchase a book. Do you buy digital or hard copy? Why not go with both? For a long time Amazon automatically gives buyers digital audio files from their web site when they purchase CD or vinyl music from them. I have found that a nice perk.
-sonavor
Very surprising find that a (horrible quality) turntable player is the bestseller. I guess you could also play your vinyl records with a compass. :)Anyway, if you need a turntable player that is built to last and affordable there's only one serious choice: Technics 1210.
I agree with Sonavor - there is room for both but pointless discussing wether one is better than the other - they compliment each other in my opinion - I don't agree that it is just older people that play vinyl, there are loads of younger people I see in record shops these days and it has rekindled interest in HiFi rather than cheap stereos to listen to music on.
Why do we keep vintage car's?
People(the unenlightened?)say things like "what do you keep that old thing for"?
It will be sad old world if and when we have to decide with our heads rather than hearts,over what items of desire we surround ourselves with?
The plethora of dire quality "record players" that have appeared recently,simply reflect a marketing "profit opportunity".I suspect that many people who purchase these devices,will quickly realise the benefits of owning a proper turntable system?
I'm pleased to see how many youngsters are joining us in appreciating the vintage equipment too.
Nick
I'm with TWG on that one - the 1210 is an incredible beast with superb sound. BUT TODAY, you CAN combine both - Serato DJ lets you connect your MacBook to your 1210 and play your MP4s through the vinyl! All the Pros of vinyl but without discontinued vinyl releases :)
TWG:Very surprising find that a (horrible quality) turntable player is the bestseller. I guess you could also play your vinyl records with a compass. :) Anyway, if you need a turntable player that is built to last and affordable there's only one serious choice: Technics 1210.
I agree Michael, they are also selling purely for vintage nostalgia reasons.
Aussie Michael:👍🏼
Analog vinyl audio never went away, do not get me wrong I still love it very much, but find it so labour intensive.
Keeping the records clean, finding some stowing place for those records in our room, rise from my most comfortable seat every 15 minutes and whats that crackling noise coming out of my speakers... Did I locked a bee in there
I'm finished with it, give me the digital age... and let me sink away into my seat with a Jukebox remote next to me.
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
That $49 Jensen turntable with built-in speakers is surely just a cheap novelty item.
Graham
vikinger: That $49 Jensen turntable with built-in speakers is surely just a cheap novelty item. Graham
Perhaps not for some people. I remember when I was a kid that my parents couldn't afford a nice stereo entertainment system. Because I loved music I bought some records anyway and we finally bought a small, portable, all-in-one system with built in cassette, turntable, radio and speakers. I think it was a Sanyo. It wasn't anywhere close to an audiophile system but it allowed me to enjoy music. Eventually I was able to save up and buy an Elac Miracord 50H turntable, a Sansui receiver and speakers. I thought that was great. Over the decades that grew into where I now have some very nice systems. The important thing is the music and people buy what they can afford. There are probably a lot of folks that find old vinyl in stores and are looking for an inexpensive way to enjoy those records. For some it will just be a passing novelty. For others it will take hold and infect them with the audio virus.
we tend to forget there is more to design than designing.
Mark, the British built REGA's are still as lovely as they were 20/30 years ago. There's no way B&O will launch a turntable, it's a totally different company than it was in the 60s & 70s. Turntables look great in a club or bar, mind you, so do CDJs.
However, I'm with Chris and Michael on this one. For me, music is part of a lifestyle - it has to travel! Nothing nicer than hearing your favourite classics whilst sunbathing on the beach :)
We get enquires for record decks every week, and with good working Beograms in very short supply, I have sourced a fabulous range of record decks that are very 'Bang & Olufsen' looking and perform exceptionally well. Priced between £500 - £7000 they aren't cheap, but we are selling a couple a week and generating a lot of additional footfall as the vinyl resurgence continues.
Visit our Facebook page to see more about them....
SHEFFIELD: We get enquires for record decks every week, and with good working Beograms in very short supply, I have sourced a fabulous range of record decks that are very 'Bang & Olufsen' looking and perform exceptionally well. Priced between £500 - £7000 they aren't cheap, but we are selling a couple a week and generating a lot of additional footfall as the vinyl resurgence continues. Visit our Facebook page to see more about them....
Link? Would love to see what you mean!
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Jeff: Link? Would love to see what you mean!
Not that hard to find:
https://www.facebook.com/BANGandOLUFSENofSHEFFIELD
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Interesting, I didn't know that my turntable had a B&O looking, but I love it! A Pro-Ject with a carbon arm.
BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
One of linns best sellers to this day is a sondek lp12.
Top spec £20k and still sells.
there is a aura with vinyl that you don't get with digital, a sense of occasion you could say.
butch1: there is a aura with vinyl that you don't get with digital, a sense of occasion you could say.
I've been meaning to chime in here but I've had some problems trying to express my feelings. This does an excellent job doing that!
I haven't played a record since the early 80's after I started building my CD collection. I loved how noise-free CD's were compared to vinyl. When it became possible to rip CD's to my computer I started putting my entire collection on computer and enjoyed the new flexibility of playing anything very easily... but it still had its limitations back then. Now I can play anything (or parts of anything) in any room of my house or many rooms in my house with just a touch. I do love it, but I can't help but think I've lost something in the process.
Mostly out of curiosity I purchased a BeoGram 8002 from eBay. Since I gave away all of my old vinyl years ago, I've started buying some new lp's from Amazon US and Amazon JP. It was quite a thrill when I got my first batch and held it in my hands and opened the gatefold up! It was an experience long forgotten! I haven't had a chance to play any yet since I am waiting on a suitable phono pre-amp but the excitement in playing a record again is very high!
I've found that to some degree I have become a little disconnected to the music when playing my digital collection. I often use the Essence remote and choose the DLNA source to see what comes up. Lazy in choosing what to listen to may be a better description. I don't have the Moment but the whole point of that is to let "it" choose what you will listen to based on your mood. It's not necessarily a bad thing, and I do like being able to just listen to random music on occasions. Back in the days of vinyl, you used to spend a little time deciding what you wanted to listen to, and spend 40 minutes or so listening to an artist. It was like spending time with a friend. You can still do that with digital, and I often do, but it feels like that experience is fading away.
CD's provided a similar experience in this respect except for the tactile experience of handling the LP and cover! There is something special in that which I just rediscovered!
on CES 2016- Sony introduces an USB-Turntable with High-Resolution-Audio and PC-/Mac-Software for recording your old beauties
- Panasonic relaunches the Technics 1210 iconic turntable with an additional limited editionI LOVE that the companies slowly go back to high quality audio and corresponding devices! I hated the cheap China-Plastic-era
Mark-N: Back in the days of vinyl, you used to spend a little time deciding what you wanted to listen to, and spend 40 minutes or so listening to an artist. It was like spending time with a friend.
Back in the days of vinyl, you used to spend a little time deciding what you wanted to listen to, and spend 40 minutes or so listening to an artist. It was like spending time with a friend.
I never stopped doing that - even now when a streaming service is my main source for music, this is the way I mostly listen to music.
I don't need a vinyl dics to do that - I do it!
Millemissen: I don't need a vinyl dics to do that - I do it! MM
Correct, you don't need vinyl to do that, it's just for some people a special experience!
Maybe its a form of digital detox!
Or it is just that someone misses the old 'rummble, clicks and pops' sound, that he once thought was a part of the music.
Or maybe it is pure nostalgy - like loving the old outworn slippers.
Or maybe it is because - with so much efford - you start to listen to the music again...without doing thousand other things while listening. Try that with (good quality, of course) filebased music albums - it might be even better?
It could be all those things, including the ability to listen to music if your router or internet is down!
Mark-N: ...including the ability to listen to music if your router or internet is down!
...including the ability to listen to music if your router or internet is down!
Happy vinyl shopping - just in case ;-)))
Thank you! When I got my first LP's from Amazon Japan and held it in my hands I joked to people at work that it must be the same feeling as holding a new born baby in your hands! (I've never had that experience.) But they just looked at me with the same face that you probably have right now!!! Yes, there is a big piece of nostalgia involved!
It will be fun showing off the turntable to friends, some who have never seen vinyl records before, and most who have never seen a tangential tracking turntable! Maybe even more impressive than my 1906 Edison Cylinder record player!
I was looking at an announcement for the "new" SL-1210 from Technics, and they specifically mention that the motor design is now pole-less, specifically to address the "cogging" of the original direct drive motor that caused the LF rumble I mentioned. Nice to see they addressed this major shortcoming of old direct drive tables. They either specifically addressed it, or it's impossible to source the same motor design these days I guess. Still and all, a good improvement.
Mark-N: Thank you! When I got my first LP's from Amazon Japan and held it in my hands I joked to people at work that it must be the same feeling as holding a new born baby in your hands! (I've never had that experience.) But they just looked at me with the same face that you probably have right now!!! Yes, there is a big piece of nostalgia involved!
I have had my BeoGram 4500 for decades now - still have it!
I use it very seldom - mostly to exercise it.
I must admit, that I don't have the described feeling with my (admitted nowadays few) vinyls - but I know the feeling, since I have 3 kids :-)))
Gotten used to having access to (almost) anything, that I want to explore (= listen to and also read about), I find it very limiting just to have your own vinyls (the same goes for CD's).
Have fun with your vinyl days - listening to your nice red/white BL17's.
The BeoGram is hooked up to my BeoSystem 4 / BeoLab 14 system. I'm sure it won't get a whole lot of use, as my digital library is much more extensive and easier to access, but it will be fun to give the occasional LP a spin!
Beovision 7 40 mk 5 ,beovision 6x3, beosound 3000, beogram 3300 , 2 x lc2, 2 x beocom 1401, beocom 6000 x 2, 5 x beo4,
, 4 x beolab 4's, form 2, h2, a2,a1 and a beolab 2 😀😀