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Hi everyone
Would appreciate tapping into the the collective brains here to help be design an audio solution to complement & extend my Beovision 11 TV setup. These will co-exist in the same downstairs living space, but generally be used separately - ie. multiroom is interesting to me, but not essential.
I have a HUGE investment (time, equipment and emotion!) in an iTunes ALAC uncompressed & increasingly Hi-rez library of digital music. This sits on a DAS Drobo into a Mac Mini and renders out through Audirvana into a (good) Sony amp & passive speakers. I don't yet own an off board DAC, but am very warm to buying a Chord Hugo or similar.
I use TIDAL as a streaming music service to supplement my own collection, and i'm musing a move to Roon at some point to merge these two into one digital source. I also have a lot of old & new Vinyl and love that analogue sound, and all that goes with playing vinyl! And finally, I often need to listen this this through High-end Headphones.
Quite a set of sources and outputs to deal with, and ideally i'd like to hide much of this complexity away.
So, I started to think about an Beosound Moment to drive via WISA some Beolab 18's (and hopefully have the option of allowing the TV to also use the 18's occasionally. My Beovision has the WISA option built in. This could also be extend to include a Beolab 19 for some extra bass power for both music & TV watching.
I haven;t used the moment's mood wheel interface, but i'm open to trying it. I'm more of an album guy, rather than playlists or curated music. If that interface 'works' for me, then fine. If it doesn't, or as I suspect, I'll move to a Roon platform to bring the ALAC, Hi-rez and streaming together - it'll run into the line-in of the moment, and i'll use companion apps to select the music.
This though, will require an input switcher to allow me to switch between the vinyl pre-amp and a line in source, or the Roon / DAC digital input. I wish the moment has a second line in (a RIAA vinyl input if anyone in Struer is listening!) so we can auto sense, but I can cope with a switch box if necessary.
For headphones, can I create a speaker group on a Moment that takes a Wired power link output into a headphone amp. So I can direct music via that speaker group for headphone listening, or via the WISA to the beolab 18's for room listening. Does the moment support speakers groups in the same way the BV11 does?
Would welcome any thoughts or observations on my plans.
Thanks in advance!
One thing you might consider is connecting a B&O turntable to a BeoMaster and then connecting that to a Beolink (ML to BeoLink) Converter, which you would then connect to your Moment. You could then map the turntable to an available B&O audio source. With this, you would actually be able to control the B&O turntable (pause, play, forward, back) with your B&O remote.
Oh, you would want to connect the turntable using the DIN connector to one of the older BeoMasters that supports datalink.
Thanks Jeff.
Again, i've got quite a lot invested in my turntable setup, and it's the one aspect i'm happy having a manual process to play. I'd like auto-sensing source changing if possible, but as explained, would live with an input switcher box between Vinyl & the Line-in from the mac Mini or DAC
I guess the pertinent questions are:
Can the BS Moment support speaker groups, so it's output can be directed to either wired power link (and onto a headphone amp) or via WISA to room speakers -eg. Beolab 18's
And, if the Beolab 18's are paired to a BS moment, can they also be paired to the BV11 for occasional use - without having to re-pair back to the BS Moment?
hostler: Can the BS Moment support speaker groups, so it's output can be directed to either wired power link (and onto a headphone amp) or via WISA to room speakers -eg. Beolab 18's And, if the Beolab 18's are paired to a BS moment, can they also be paired to the BV11 for occasional use - without having to re-pair back to the BS Moment?
hostler - There is no speaker grouping option in the BS Moment setup and pairing speakers with multiple source is not possible, a WISA limitation that a member of the WISA group confirmed to me.
BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
Thanks mbolo01!
Very, very helpful to know, though dissappointing.
I wonder - is there a way of using headphones with the any B&O audio masters? Considering how many headphone models they sell for parables, it;s odd none of the Audio systems have headphone ports.
Is there a 3rd party solution?
hostler:I wonder - is there a way of using headphones with the any B&O audio masters? Considering how many headphone models they sell for parables, it;s odd none of the Audio systems have headphone ports.
With the growing market of Bluetooth headsets they may think leveraging the BS Moment BT chipset for output, who knows ....
To answer to one of your previous question rel. to the MoodWheel I can answer that even if the feature far from being perfect, it brings what I expect when I'm not able to decide what to listen but just the mood.
What I'm expecting too, and that I don't get yet, is an easier way to navigate through my album collection, the BS Moment Jukebox is just a machine interface, not a user interface, and the BeoMusic app does not help at all on this front unfortunately. So wait and see :-)
Since you want to use your speakers (WiSA-wise) and you want to use different Speakers Groups, your BV11 must be the hub in your setup.
Connect your Mac via spdif (converter from optical to coax needed or USB to coax) to the digital input of the BV11. Configure the source as you need it (see the Technical Sound Guide on the B&O homepage) and use the BeoRemote to open the port and for volume control, speaker group srlecting etc. Use the interface of the player on the Mac (maybe through an app on a tablet) to choose the music.
Connect a BS Essence (2nd Gen) through wired or wireless connection to the BV11. Use the line-in connection of the Essence for your turntable - the line-in has autosense. Configure the Essense on your BV11 in order to map the line-in (of the Essence) as a source to a 'button' on the Remote. Configure the audio settings of that source, as you need it (as with the other input). Control volumen, Speaker Group selecting etc....with the Remote.
If your BV11 has the headphone out, use that. Otherweise use this:
http://soundsheavenly.com/televisions/32-headphone-adapter-for-beoplay-v1-beovision-1112avant-rj45-powerlink-to-minijack.html
or configure one of the PL-outs as line for an external headphone amp and configure a Speakers Group for that PL-output.
Enjoy!!!
P.S. This is a NL-setup of the two B&O components and can later easily be extended to multiroom, if you would want to.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Boom!
Millemissen - a really detailed and helpful answer - thank-you for taking the time to write that all down.
I shall have to think carefully about how to approach this, as (not surprisingly) the TV & audio systems are not proximate to each other. Same room, but opposite ends, and hiding cables will be a challenge.
Once again - to all who answered - thanks!
My solution was a McIntosh MHA100 and one cable (soundheavenly) from the MHA100 to the BV11. The MHA100 is probably one of the best integrated DAC/headphone amp in the market, and it also happens to support a multitude of analog/digital input, as well as digital out which I used to connect to the BV11 (which in turns is connected to BL1s/BL19). In my set up I have a macmini, a BS9000 and a turntable/phono connecting in to the MHA100, and headphone and connection to the BV11 as outs. I am not very familiar with the BS Moment, so I am unclear how to connect it to either the MHA100 or the BV11.
The MHA100 is not cheap, but it is a great solution particularly if you are investing in high end headphones (and you are probably set for the next 20 years with it).
BV11-55, BS9000, BL1, BL19, Transmitter 1, Beo4, Beocom 6000, BeoTalk1 200, Sennheiser HD600, McIntosh MHA100
Thanks rxcohen
That sounds like a lovely system you have there. McIntosh makes some lovely kit.
I'm having a (lovely) dilemma. On the one hand i'd love to integrate my TV & Audio setups as described above, and enjoy the benefits. However physically this would require a great deal of upheaval to run the cables. I'd also worry about the noise pollution from the Mac Mini & NAS all moved to be proximate to the TV (it would have to hang of the back via a STB System 9 bracket)
I might have to settle for two separate systems - one audio & one TV.
Still designing / thinking / head scratching ...