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Elephant, save your money and wait for the B&O OLED. The LG OLED TVs are great but their smart TV is a bit lacking (Netflix is rather unreliable for me in Sydney ) and there's some crush in shape details though that might have changed for 2016 models. Also the audio is very lacking though you can output it via SP-DIF to your B&O speakers. LG media player isn't that great in reading different formats.
We couldn't wait as our TVs were quite old tech and poor compare to current versions. Now i'm stuck with a Samsung s-uhd tv and LG OLED, worst still I can't justify upgrading and throwing away tvs
BTW I find it ironic that some people are dreading LG making B&O TVs under contract. After all CZ is a well known centre of excellence for electronics and LG can build the best large OLED in mass scale but they can't assemble TVs?? I might whinge about LG design and audio performance but I had zero defects using their TV daily for 5yrs++. Personally having owned cars and lots of gears over the years made in many different countries, what I noticed is country of manufacturing doesn't dictate reliability. It's the quality control, design and material that matters. Look at BMW and Mercedes - their SUVs are made in USA not Germany and they are fine ( I own two with no problems for years). They both also make their core models C-Class and 3 Series outside Germany. After all people used to mock Japan as poor quality but would anyone say that's the case now?? I remember my in laws owing German made Loewe TVs that were absolute trash, constantly breaking down and expensive to fix. I'm optimistic that this partnership will leverage the best from both brands and give us better models that are sustainable for the companies. Both brands have different core competencies and could uplift each other to better things
BillC: Elephant, save your money and wait for the B&O OLED.
Elephant, save your money and wait for the B&O OLED.
I'd find it pretty hard to give anyone an advice on what to do!
We don't know anything of that tv - other than it will be made in cooperation with LG and will feature an OLED display.
In addition, we don't have any details on the 2016 (adverticed/rumoured) BV's either.
Choosing a tv/a BV also very much depends on your personal preferences (and possibilities).......
Speculating/guessing can be fun - I prefer to wait for further details.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
I'm with BillC on this one. It's a fantastic partnership. WHY? Because LG now in 2016/15 even, produce the best screens and they've probably got the very best factories to produce B&O TVs in with H U G E investment. I have a lot of faith in South Korea, I was there on business in 2013, and my gosh, it is light years ahead of Europe in terms of tech etc. They are proud of what they do.
Just wait and see!
@Elephant - I guess you'll make up your mind next month :)
My concern is that I'm afraid of a rebadged LG tv with B&O stickers just like the HP collaboration wich is absolute rubbish (I own one laptop " with" B&O speakers).
What I like about my danish tv's for years is the aluminium and glass combination, that you find nowhere else at that quality level.
Maybe CZ is find but they had a lot of problems with the Avant.
In the articles they say that B&O will make an economy of 130.000.000 € not building tv's anymore, that's a sign for me for a B&O badge on a lookalike aluminium/plastic LG crap.
A tv in a living room is an experience for years not just a matter of best oled picture ever made untill the next 6 months.
Hi BeoGreg,
I'm looking at it in a real positive way for these reasons... With LG behind it,
1. There won't be software issues
2. Build quality AND reliability will be high
3. It'll have the best panel available
4. B&O will ALWAYS have the latest in what's out there from LG
5. Hopefully B&O will employ a great designer, tune the audio and LG will construct it.
Whilst B&O stuff have always looked great, often their internals or software really let them down. They often didn't please me. This should really be a turn around.
Plus, at the end of the day, there are millions of young, highly creative, buzzing designers out there in every country of the globe. Now that David Lewis is in Heaven, there isn't such a thing NOW as a BANG&OLUFSEN design is there? So have hope, this could be the greatest thing ever for B&O!
Also, the thing is, BeoGreg it's not LG 'crap'. They are at the front of TV electrical now! Maybe, some of their design are plastically but remember these are top performing screens selling at £400 not £3000+ B&O price.
It's up to Tue and his little boys to tell LG what they want from their TVs etc. I'm sure LG won't dictate design wise! It's all sounding very much like the Honda and Rover car days isn't it ;)
Paul W: It's up to Tue and his little boys
It's up to Tue and his little boys
Seriously Paul?
I'd trust things built in South Korea more than China, I think SKorea has more of a reputation for building quality items than China, though Apple does OK there. You do have to watch the quality control and such in China like a hawk. At one time Korean stuff had a poor reputation, but lately things I've experienced from Samsung and LG were all quite high quality, if not constructed out of metal and such as the ultra high end B&O gear is. But that's cosmetics, the underlying quality of SKorean gear has been fine. And Samsung and particularly LG have been THE drivers of OLED technology, in many ways they have taken over from the Japanese companies like Sony and Panasonic in terms of technical advancement.
Same with autos, at one time Korean Hyundai was complete junk, now they rival Japan at lower prices. It's been interesting watching them do to the Japanese auto industry what the Japanese did to the US auto industry. What goes around comes around.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Duels: Paul W: It's up to Tue and his little boys Seriously Paul?
Ditto.
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Paul W: Also, the thing is, BeoGreg it's not LG 'crap'. They are at the front of TV electrical now! Maybe, some of their design are plastically but remember these are top performing screens selling at £400 not £3000+ B&O price. It's up to Tue and his little boys to tell LG what they want from their TVs etc. I'm sure LG won't dictate design wise! It's all sounding very much like the Honda and Rover car days isn't it ;)
In the industry LG are at the front now only because they make a product to a price point. LG have stuck with OLED, but it is far from being perfect, and Panasonic has tried to rectify this by extensive R&D and micro-processing to support the LG screen.
So the question is, can B&O commit the huge reserves required to create bespoke processing ? I very much doubt it, this will be a re-badged LG.
I doubt that a leader (Tue) of a company that has been led to ruin will be telling LG what to do!!
Next tv update no Oled
koning: Next tv update no Oled
And what is it, then?
Don't know
355f: Paul W: Also, the thing is, BeoGreg it's not LG 'crap'. They are at the front of TV electrical now! Maybe, some of their design are plastically but remember these are top performing screens selling at £400 not £3000+ B&O price. It's up to Tue and his little boys to tell LG what they want from their TVs etc. I'm sure LG won't dictate design wise! It's all sounding very much like the Honda and Rover car days isn't it ;) In the industry LG are at the front now only because they make a product to a price point. LG have stuck with OLED, but it is far from being perfect, and Panasonic has tried to rectify this by extensive R&D and micro-processing to support the LG screen. So the question is, can B&O commit the huge reserves required to create bespoke processing ? I very much doubt it, this will be a re-badged LG. I doubt that a leader (Tue) of a company that has been led to ruin will be telling LG what to do!!
But LG's 2016 four model ranges- B6, C6, E6, and G6- will hit several price points.
The G6 Signature range will not be cheap.
It is being suggested that the G6 is superior to Panasonic's first effort at an OLED TV.
As technology advances the newer models will outshine the previous generation. At the time of launch the Panasonic set the standard.
If B&O lovers wish to pay the 150% tax for the badge for a product made by LG- best wishes!.
The management team at B&O have presided over a disaster
Sorry Duels and Simon - translated wrong - meant staff! Apologies
Unless the partnership is a takeover of B&O by LG, Tue can definitely tell LG what to do especially if its a contract manufacture. Its up to B&O to specify materials, design, quality tolerance and testing. Don't confuse B&O cost cutting with manufacturing prowess. The facts are you pay for what you get; if Tue cost cost and goes plastic its Tue fault. In Australia, the retailers often buys the cheapest quality cotton for their house brand clothing, feels horrible and thin. When I visited China I found there's a massive quality range, some are right up in the quality spectrum. Facts are lots of companies take the lazy and greedy way out find the cheapest stuff to sell - even though it doesn't cost much more to spec and use higher quality stuff.
If Korea can make computer CPU, most TV panels in the world, the largest tankers in the world, cars, memory chips, pcs, smartphones, I think its very skeptical that they can't make a simple TV. Most of those items are order of magnitude more complex than a tv.
I'm not a video electronic engineer so I'm speculating -B&O investment to move to OLED might not be as much as what Panasonic did. B&O already has a good video engine and LG already has the tech to drive the panels. Even if they had to engineer a custom chip, its actually better to do so with LG. LG is spending lots of money doing improvements to their video processing, B&O knowledge can be shared and if proven to be better LG and B&O could build/use the same processor. That's something B&O will struggle or pay a lot if it did it by itself. Look at Leica, for years it couldn't compete with the Japanese for the latest new technologies but now with Panasonic it can have 4k recording and better sensors. I have a Leica branded Panasonic compact camera, it's look and feel is all Panasonic but the colour and glass quality is definitely Leica. B&O still can keep true to its heritage: spec out its quality requirements and components, LG builds to spec (with B&O spec video processing algorithms) and ship the inner components to B&O workshops, B&O makes aluminium parts and assemble the final tv with the aluminium parts that we love. LG could even do the assembly. One things for sure LG is not a fan of built-in colour calibration, that's very unique to B&O.
As for the HP B&O branding, that's something else. B&O hardly knows anything about PCs. HP gained B&O audio knowledge and a name to replace the Beats cobranding that has been dropped. Whether this branding tarnishes B&O name we have to see how it unfolds though I suspect B&O gets paid royalties for the branding
Totally agree with you Bill! Of course Tue can specify what he wants from LG - he's the client!
PLUS, B&O fans should be happy because it's guaranteeing the B&O name for TVs for at least quite a while!
Kind of agree with you 355f but that's always been the B&O crowd and that's why they are a niche group of people. I guess saving up for something is totally subjective and up to the individual - now I couldn't spend 3K on a TV but i'd definitely spent that on a carbon fibre bicycle :) Totally up to the individual and what they enjoy in life. Also, the Panasonic, whilst currently the best on the market is at £8K double the price of the equivalent LG model even though, they share the same LG OLED panel.
BillC: Elephant, save your money and wait for the B&O OLED. The LG OLED TVs are great but their smart TV is a bit lacking (Netflix is rather unreliable for me in Sydney ) and there's some crush in shape details though that might have changed for 2016 models. Also the audio is very lacking though you can output it via SP-DIF to your B&O speakers. LG media player isn't that great in reading different formats. We couldn't wait as our TVs were quite old tech and poor compare to current versions. Now i'm stuck with a Samsung s-uhd tv and LG OLED, worst still I can't justify upgrading and throwing away tvs
Thank you Bill I much appreciate the advice, the specificity of it, and the fact that its based on personal experience.
Although I would lean on my Apple TV (latest generation, to be upgrade on Monday PST) and not rely on any WebOS or equivalent. I think panel manufacturers should stick to their panels
BeoNut since '75
I expect that the saleprices are becoming much lower now B& O televisions are assembled in South Korea!
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Schuifschoen: I expect that the saleprices are becoming much lower now B& O televisions are assembled in South Korea! .
I don't see Audi Q7 prices reduced to reflect they're produced in Slovakia where the monthly salary is 25% of the average in Germany?
I also believe that the Korean manufacturer of TVs makes their products for Europe not far from there, in Europe.
BillC: It's the quality control, design and material that matters. Look at BMW and Mercedes - their SUVs are made in USA not Germany and they are fine ( I own two with no problems for years). They both also make their core models C-Class and 3 Series outside Germany.
It's the quality control, design and material that matters. Look at BMW and Mercedes - their SUVs are made in USA not Germany and they are fine ( I own two with no problems for years). They both also make their core models C-Class and 3 Series outside Germany.
You seem to have had luck but the US made SUVs from Mercedes, especially the first M class made in the US where a disaster in terms of quality! They did not match the quality of german made cars and had many problems. C-class was problematic, too and the all time favorite E-Class has problems with rust.(Not only) for my german understanding of quality standards this is unacceptable!After a few months of experience with my curved OLED TV I can say that I hope that B&O only sources the panel and its electronics from LG. I paid 2000,- Euro after a discount and I was able to scratch the screen with my fingernail... this is not a good sign. The smart platform and the TV operating system is slow in general. I hate slow and crappy userinterfaces! We are in the year 2016 and not 1985 :-)The OLED panel itself is simply great. Wonderful natural colors (not oversaturated as many Samsung OLED phone screens) and in dark scenes or when the screen goes blank you could think that the TV is switched off. Black = Black. :-)Netflix is unreliable, too on this TV and the remote... this is nothing to write home about.Let's hope TUE get's it right this time and is not failing again as with ugly systems like the Moment.B&O should manufacture its new OLED TV in Denmark and tune the sound and picture to the expectation level of B&O customers with a chassis and an exterior that match my beloved Bang & Olufsen brand.
By that time they should revise the Beoremote one: Make it as big as the original Beo 4 and give it better physical distinguishable (and backlit) buttons!
The Beo 4 and 5/6 are still far more comfortable for me than the Beoremote one.
BeoGreg:My concern is that I'm afraid of a rebadged LG tv with B&O stickers
Actually I think that will be the outcome. Bad or good? Its good because LG is at the forefront in todays picture technology.
But it will be bad if B&O still asks a premium price after two years of age as they do for the Avant. Only a nice case and good sound quality can't justify such a price point. Would you really pay your hard earned money for a new television with old technology, just because it has a shiny case around it.
If they really want to do booming business with their televisions at a premium price, then renew the inside every 6 months for your new customers.
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
Chris: BeoGreg:My concern is that I'm afraid of a rebadged LG tv with B&O stickers Actually I think that will be the outcome. Bad or good? Its good because LG is at the forefront in todays picture technology. But it will be bad if B&O still asks a premium price after two years of age as they do for the Avant. Only a nice case and good sound quality can't justify such a price point. Would you really pay your hard earned money for a new television with old technology, just because it has a shiny case around it. If they really want to do booming business with their televisions at a premium price, then renew the inside every 6 months for your new customers.
I tend to agree with you. What I personally wish B&O made was a surround decoder/electronics box, say built into a soundbar or including a center channel, that could easily be setup with any panel or projector. The Beosystem 4 is good but not updated to 4k, but the problem is you need a center channel speaker and they no longer make them. But their philosophy is to sell fewer, more expensive systems it seems than to service a larger market with a different design approach. If you can get away with it it's always better to make the same amount of money on fewer sales as you have fewer people you have to provide after sale service and support to.
Which is why years ago I severed my two systems even though they sit in the same room. I use a Panasonic VT series 65 inch plasma, with a Marantz AVR and Infinity speakers for surround, and a BS9000 and BL9s for audio. While I would love it if they were merged, the price is just too high for me to justify that when, as others have mentioned, video technology changes as rapidly as it does. At the time I severed the systems I was using a AV7000, not one of B&Os better sonic achievements, but when I got it I wanted to unify everything. It was a poor substitute for the Fosgate processor it replaced though.
TWG -Well I didn't say I bought Mercedes or Gen 1 - both are BMWs
On a serious note I try not to buy gen 1 models. I'm getting quite excited by the X7 though the Bentley does look quite appealing (well interior anyway)
I totally agree with you about the chassis and UI. That being said I find B&O tv UI a bit boring/flat. I'm more inclined to the UI look of Kaleidescape systems which looks a bit more modern and appealing.