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Michael:However(!) what if I would use my Mac to play material with DTS 5.1? What would happen? I am not sure plex or vlc can decode and send the audio as PCM. or does the Mac lack's codec's? Anyway, I know for sure that XBMC can convert DTS5.1 to PCM Michael:And how does the DTS 2,0 work in the V1? DTS2.0??? Isn't this equal to PCM? The interface of Plex/XBMC is superb. But I changed from a MacMini to DuneHD because of the quality of sound and the decoding capabilities of the Dune (Flac multichannel, DTS HD MA, DD TrueHD etc)!
or does the Mac lack's codec's? Anyway, I know for sure that XBMC can convert DTS5.1 to PCM
Michael:And how does the DTS 2,0 work in the V1?
DTS2.0??? Isn't this equal to PCM?
The interface of Plex/XBMC is superb. But I changed from a MacMini to DuneHD because of the quality of sound and the decoding capabilities of the Dune (Flac multichannel, DTS HD MA, DD TrueHD etc)!
Carolpa:But not for dts2.0
If it is DTS then it is encoded.
Michael: Carolpa:But not for dts2.0 If it is DTS then it is encoded.
ever encoded a format to DTS 2.0?
What do you get?
Carolpa:so is WAV. PCM, etc....... ever encoded a format to DTS 2.0? What do you get?
This lack of codecs was of concern to me when I was evaluating the set with a view to purchase.
I'm not sure on which thread without searching, but I did ask Steve at Sounds Heavenly on this one, and as I presumed from the experience of owners with 7 series TVs/Beosystem 3's etc, and from the supported formats guide for the V1, that a similar solution applies.
Basically the V1 supports linear PCM. As It's a multi-channel processor, one would assume that also means multi-channel PCM
Most Bluray players will either output the 'raw' bitstream, that is to say the lossless compressed, Dolby Digital True HD, OR DTS HD Master audio file, OR they can decompress it onboard, and output it as high res linear, multi channel PCM
In fact, the audio file is PCM anyway; it's just compressed but without information loss, and the player decompresses, or 'decodes' it and sends it as decompressed or decoded if you will, LPCM which the V1 should handle perfectly OK.
If someone else can confirm, that would be very helpful as well - the theories one thing, but having it happen is another - I don't want to add B&O speakers to my V1 with the intention of selling all my separates kit, only to find it won't work re the aforementioned codecs either!
Kind Regards
John...
But in this case it's decoded by your cheap ass blu ray player or mediaplayer instead of your dedicated surround processor in the beovision.
When there should be no noticable difference in soundquality, why do we have dedicated separate surround processors?
Desmo:When there should be no noticable difference in soundquality, why do we have dedicated separate surround processors?
Not least because the manufacturers want us to buy stuff.
--mika
Carolpa:Confirmation Let the connected device decode the format to (multichannel) PCM. Input this format to your V1. Then all formats are possible (DTS5.1 DTS HD MA, DD TrueHD, etc)
Let the connected device decode the format to (multichannel) PCM. Input this format to your V1.
Then all formats are possible (DTS5.1 DTS HD MA, DD TrueHD, etc)
That's really great to hear - thank you!...
Is DTS lossy, DTS HD MA is for sure a lossless format.
Michael:And bear in mind not all players can decode to PCM internally. Most new players probably do, at least the more expensive. I don't think all manufacturers pay licenses for it in their players.
Since I play SACD and DVDA through HDMI (from 2004 onwards) I had players which could output multichannel PCM. But you're right not all player had/have this option.
Carolpa: Is DTS lossy, DTS HD MA is for sure a lossless format.
Which even the BV7 Blu-ray didn't support until recently.
Carolpa: Is DTS lossy, DTS HD MA is for sure a lossless format. Michael:And bear in mind not all players can decode to PCM internally. Most new players probably do, at least the more expensive. I don't think all manufacturers pay licenses for it in their players. Since I play SACD and DVDA through HDMI (from 2004 onwards) I had players which could output multichannel PCM. But you're right not all player had/have this option.
DTS is lossy but not DTS HD MA. That is the big difference. Before HDMI there was bandwith limitations that also made a codec such as Dolby necessary but now with modern HDMI we can transfer a lot of data. The limitations is in the media we download, buy on dvd/bluray or watch on TV where bandwith still is an issue.I also have a DVD-player that can play DVDA (I have one such disc :P). As said, some players can decode, some cant. Most can probably decode the simplest and most usual formats but perhaps not the more advanced that requires more cpu or higher licensing costs.
Michael: Carolpa: Is DTS lossy, DTS HD MA is for sure a lossless format. Michael:And bear in mind not all players can decode to PCM internally. Most new players probably do, at least the more expensive. I don't think all manufacturers pay licenses for it in their players. Since I play SACD and DVDA through HDMI (from 2004 onwards) I had players which could output multichannel PCM. But you're right not all player had/have this option. DTS is lossy but not DTS HD MA. That is the big difference. Before HDMI there was bandwith limitations that also made a codec such as Dolby necessary but now with modern HDMI we can transfer a lot of data. The limitations is in the media we download, buy on dvd/bluray or watch on TV where bandwith still is an issue.I also have a DVD-player that can play DVDA (I have one such disc :P). As said, some players can decode, some cant. Most can probably decode the simplest and most usual formats but perhaps not the more advanced that requires more cpu or higher licensing costs.
If it's any help to Michael, all the current Sony Bluray players available here in Australia, can internally 'decode' the likes of DTS HD Master Audio and Dolby True HD etc.
You can choose in the setup whether to output the raw bitstream, or the 'decoded' PCM over HDMI.
Additionally, when playing back multi-channel SACD, you can choose whether to output DSD over HDMI, or again have the player convert it internally to PCM.
I am currently using such a player - thinking about getting an Oppo down the track, as Sony are not currently making any ES series Bluray players - I have a couple of ES DVD players in my current separates system, and they're quite superb IMV. Of course, Sony is not an audiophile 'name' but they're more than capable of making components of the highest order - as well as a few not so good!
So here at least, you can get a player that will do what one needs to interface with a V1 for less than A$200.00 - i.e. a budget machine.
HTH
Kind regards