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For these prices it should have:
HDR
OLED
65"
No exceptions.
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BeoLab 18's. Beolab 3's. A8. A9. A2. H7.
"The set is not HDR-compatible, meaning that it will not take advantage of the increased range of brightness allowed by HDR content, and does not meet the standards for UHD Premium, a disappointing omission, especially at this price point."
that is the point I'm making 55 upwards see the difference, 40/45 inch according to the tech guys
hardly see the difference, so buy a loews or Samsung 40 inch with hdr not much good to you
malcolm
From B&O site:
BeoRemote One Bluetooth works with both Bluetooth and IR commands, and because it is a two-way remote control it provides automatic synchronisation between your BeoVision 14 and your remote.
What may that sync provide?
Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen: Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom: M3 Homeoffice: M3, Beocom 2 Library: Beosound Emerge, Beocom 6000 Bedroom: M5, Essence remote Travel: Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay EQ, Beoplay Earset
malcolm welborn: hardly see the difference, so buy a loews or Samsung 40 inch with hdr not much good to you
Malcolm, HDR allows wider colour spectrum, which means it certainly will affect any TV, irrespective of size. In the same way HDR photos look more dynamic and you don't view those on your 55" TV.
Darks will look darker, whites whiter and so on. Colours will look more dynamic, whether it's a 40" or 65" via HDR.
B&O have totally lost the plot and have done for some years now. What on earth 'are' they doing and 'who' authorises these ridiculous decisions? No words at all...
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
Agreed
BeoVision Eclipse 55, BeoPlay S8 (sub+rears), BeoPlay A9 MKII (living room), BeoVision Avant 32 DVD (retro gaming, basement), BeoLab 4000 (entertainment room, basement), BeoSound 8 (workshop), 2x BeoPlay S3 (PC), BeoPlay A1, BeoPlay H2/H3 (on the go)
Beoberg:B&O facebook team is removing all comments about support for HDR in the announcement on their page. What a joke BeoVision 11-40 MKI (primary), BeoLab 9 (main), BeoSound 5/BeoMaster 5, ML/NL converter, BeoVision 6-26 MKIV (secondary), BeoLab 3500 (living room) BeoLab 4000 (entertainment room), 2x BeoPlay S3 (PC), BeoLit 12 (kitchen), BeoPlay H2/H3 (on the go), BeoVision MX8000 (retro gaming)
Beolab 50, Beolab 8000 x 2, Beolab 4000 x 2, BeoSound Core, BeoSound 9000, BeoSound Century, BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, BeoPlay P2, BeoPlay H9 3rd Gen, BeoPlay H6, EarSet 3i, BeoVision Eclipse Gen 2 55", BeoPlay V1-40, BeoCom 6000 and so much else :)
moxxey: malcolm welborn: hardly see the difference, so buy a loews or Samsung 40 inch with hdr not much good to you Malcolm, HDR allows wider colour spectrum, which means it certainly will affect any TV, irrespective of size. In the same way HDR photos look more dynamic and you don't view those on your 55" TV. Darks will look darker, whites whiter and so on. Colours will look more dynamic, whether it's a 40" or 65" via HDR.
Only if the source was HDR. Anything filmed wihout HDR will look exactly the same. Same applies to still photography.
vikinger: moxxey: malcolm welborn: hardly see the difference, so buy a loews or Samsung 40 inch with hdr not much good to you Malcolm, HDR allows wider colour spectrum, which means it certainly will affect any TV, irrespective of size. In the same way HDR photos look more dynamic and you don't view those on your 55" TV. Darks will look darker, whites whiter and so on. Colours will look more dynamic, whether it's a 40" or 65" via HDR. Only if the source was HDR. Anything filmed wihout HDR will look exactly the same. Same applies to still photography.
Exactly what Vikinger is saying! Outside of this forum the bulk of B&O clients could care less about HDR and quite frankly can't/won't be bothered chasing another technology standard that requires buying a properly shot source to even enjoy it. By the time HDR is being done as a standard on all sources the client will have bought a newer model. The picture is incredible on it's own on the newer TV"s with out HDR. Read back 6 years ago on this forum and most of same people were saying the same thing about 3D and we see how important it really turned out to be.
Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there
BeoMegaMan:Exactly what Vikinger is saying! Outside of this forum the bulk of B&O clients could care less about HDR and quite frankly can't/won't be bothered chasing another technology standard that requires buying a properly shot source to even enjoy it. By the time HDR is being done as a standard on all sources the client will have bought a newer model. The picture is incredible on it's own on the newer TV"s with out HDR. Read back 6 years ago on this forum and most of same people were saying the same thing about 3D and we see how important it really turned out to be. Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there
Beolab 28s Beolab 9s Beolab 12-3s Beolab 1s Beolab 6000s 2 pairs Beolab 4000s Beovision 7-55 Beovision 10-40 Beoplay V1 32 inch Beovision Avant 32 inch Beosound 1 (CD player) Beosound 3000 Beosound 5 Core Essence MKII Beoplay M5
NO! I truly disagree. SURELY the person who sheds out £5000+ will buy a 4K Blu-Ray player. Come on, a person who spends tons of money on a TV is NOT a person like me who watches it for five minutes a day. It's a person who sits down on their ass and watches, watches, watches. They'll watch these 4K discs WITH HDR!!! NO EXCUSES. It's 2016, I WILL NOT hear excuses from premium priced manufacturers. These customers are truly being taken for a ride!
But that is pretty consistant with the current B&O business model. Chinese and Russian Nouveau Riche is being taken for a ride, while European middle class is disregarded.
djfairley89:Hi, This means if you change the name of a source on either it syncs on the other: on current models you need to rename both the source on TV and the remote. Much more convenient this way, for installers at least 🤓
This means if you change the name of a source on either it syncs on the other: on current models you need to rename both the source on TV and the remote. Much more convenient this way, for installers at least 🤓
And the sources will appear/disappear without extra config necessary in the remote.
Very true AnalogPlanet but any educated consumer does research before spending money on a product. It's very possible that B&O have pulled an Apple on this one - this years new iPhone is really bland but everyone knows that the 2017 model will have OLED etc etc, is it not possible that b&O are more concerned for the 2017 model due next year? I just hope that you guys are not disappointed next year :'(
BeoVision 14 MK II in 6 month will have HDR...
Paul W: NO! I truly disagree. SURELY the person who sheds out £5000+ will buy a 4K Blu-Ray player. Come on, a person who spends tons of money on a TV is NOT a person like me who watches it for five minutes a day. It's a person who sits down on their ass and watches, watches, watches. They'll watch these 4K discs WITH HDR!!! NO EXCUSES. It's 2016, I WILL NOT hear excuses from premium priced manufacturers. These customers are truly being taken for a ride!
Most people who are actually buying the products use it sparingly and often you'll be hard pressed in the US to find a majority of owners with more than a cable box and Apple TV (which btw isn't 4k). I think your perception of the B&O client may be a little off. You are free to get on the ride or not. I rarely hear of people returning their tickets after it's over. :) These ride takers are some of the same ones who can afford a Ferrari or Lamborghini, but yet still go with what some consider as the under-performing Aston Martin. I'd love to be on that ride too! :)
Paul W:Very true AnalogPlanet but any educated consumer does research before spending money on a product.
BeoMegaMan:Most people who are actually buying the products use it sparingly and often you'll be hard pressed in the US to find a majority of owners with more than a cable box and Apple TV (which btw isn't 4k). I think your perception of the B&O client may be a little off. You are free to get on the ride or not. I rarely hear of people returning their tickets after it's over. :) These ride takers are some of the same ones who can afford a Ferrari or Lamborghini, but yet still go with what some consider as the under-performing Aston Martin. I'd love to be on that ride too! :)
Or, like me, who can only dream of owning a "lowly" Aston, but scrimp and save for a few key B&O products which will hopefully last a LONG time.
Doing research: I asked my dealer a TON of questions over multiple weeks, perhaps months before pulling the trigger - it is a wonder my dealer wasn't sick of me at the end of it.
As for TV watching: my wife and I watch between 30min to 60min of TV a day (TiVO'd programs), and perhaps a movie on the weekend. We listen to music a lot, though. We're happy knowing the quality of the picture, sound and overall build are better than most of the products out there. And they're pretty, too. Just based on my watching habits, the BV 11 was a totally irrational purchase, but it makes me smile.
There's always a bit of irrationality / impracticality when purchasing a luxury item.
Sal: BeoMegaMan:Most people who are actually buying the products use it sparingly and often you'll be hard pressed in the US to find a majority of owners with more than a cable box and Apple TV (which btw isn't 4k). I think your perception of the B&O client may be a little off. You are free to get on the ride or not. I rarely hear of people returning their tickets after it's over. :) These ride takers are some of the same ones who can afford a Ferrari or Lamborghini, but yet still go with what some consider as the under-performing Aston Martin. I'd love to be on that ride too! :) Or, like me, who can only dream of owning a "lowly" Aston, but scrimp and save for a few key B&O products which will hopefully last a LONG time. And as for me, I asked my dealer a TON of questions before pulling the trigger - it is a wonder my dealer wasn't sick of me at the end of it. As for TV watching: my wife and I watch at the most about an hour of TV a day, if that much and perhaps a movie on the weekend. We listen to music a lot, though. We're happy knowing the quality of the picture, sound and overall build are better than most of the products out there. And they're pretty, too. Just based on my watching habits, the BV 11 was a totally irrational purchase, but it makes me smile. There's always a bit of irrationality / impracticality when purchasing a luxury item.
And as for me, I asked my dealer a TON of questions before pulling the trigger - it is a wonder my dealer wasn't sick of me at the end of it.
As for TV watching: my wife and I watch at the most about an hour of TV a day, if that much and perhaps a movie on the weekend. We listen to music a lot, though. We're happy knowing the quality of the picture, sound and overall build are better than most of the products out there. And they're pretty, too. Just based on my watching habits, the BV 11 was a totally irrational purchase, but it makes me smile.
I would agree that the bulk of the remaining segment of customers are just like Sal! :)
So I am not defending not including HDR in the new model but you are way off what a B&O customer is.
My parents have the Avant and they only see cable tv and that is your average customer. You dont see a blu-ray player in a B&O store either.
I my self is the kind of customer you describe and I do not have a B&O television as I go for the newest tech (LG OLED) and would not invest in an B&O as I want to change tv every year, at least I have done that for the last 8 years.
Anyhow I enjoy my Beolab 20 as they do not obsolete as the televisions does.
Beovision Harmony 77" 2nd Gen, Beolab 5, Beolab 17, Beosound 1, Beoplay M3, Beoplay Portal, Beoplay Earset, Beoliving Intelligence
Meanwhile the low end manufacturer Visio upgrades their sets through software to support more HDR.
http://www.cnet.com/news/vizio-upgrades-tvs-to-work-with-both-hdr-formats/
Hi Emil,
I agree, the older CRT Avant did indeed sell to very old people at the time. However, on this forum alone, there are two guys aged 30ish and under 30 that own the new Avant. And quite frankly, B&O are so damn desperate for sales - they'll see to anyone. I know that when I lived in Liverpool, the only people that bought the BV9 were the drug dealers! I know that as the old sales guy told my vulgar radio sales woman and she told everyone. And yes here in the UK, many B&O shops do use Blu-Ray players and my gosh, it will make sense for them to use the new 4K Blu-Ray HDR players as that does seem the best possible way to watch 4K films to many enthusiasts.
Paul W: Hi Emil, I agree, the older CRT Avant did indeed sell to very old people at the time. However, on this forum alone, there are two guys aged 30ish and under 30 that own the new Avant. And quite frankly, B&O are so damn desperate for sales - they'll see to anyone. I know that when I lived in Liverpool, the only people that bought the BV9 were the drug dealers! I know that as the old sales guy told my vulgar radio sales woman and she told everyone. And yes here in the UK, many B&O shops do use Blu-Ray players and my gosh, it will make sense for them to use the new 4K Blu-Ray HDR players as that does seem the best possible way to watch 4K films to many enthusiasts.
Not sure what your statement even means?! Only drug dealers bought BV9!?! Get ready for the BV9 people to let you know how many drugs they sold to afford their wonderful kit. I don't know whose worse the salesman for saying that or you for believing it. Just WOW. I know a few of the BeoWorlders who still love theirs and rightfully so, even as not 3D :).
And yes the shops will and should use the 4k UHD HDR players. The underlying fact is that few customers will notice or care that it's not HDR on the picture they are seeing.
I did not mean the CRT Avant ;) I do not think many have those anymore
There are off cause culture difference, but since B&O stopped making dvd players I havn't seen any in a B&O store not in Denmark not anywhere.
Young people do off cause also buy new Beovision, and If I may take Michael as an Example who has the Avant and do have a Tech interest, fits you profile from before in some degree (not the drug dealer profile)
But the generel B&O customer do not care about 3D, 4K, and so on. They would like a pretty Tv which work great, have great sound and simply to use and the AVANT and other new models do these things perfectly. My LG OLED is really slow and have a bad software compared to my parents AVANT, and dont get me started on the remote control.
In many ways I am a customer for a Beovision, but until the development settle I am not.
Actully I dont know what I want to say other than your profile is wrong for the general B&O customer because I agree with you that HDR should have been implemented.
Great points by both of you! Could not agree more.
When I lived in Liverpool and/or frequented the Liverpool dealership, I never once met an 'Old Sales Guy'.
And the original Avant sold well to 'Very Old People'? Really????
And the old sales guy sold BV9's to drug dealers because he was desperate for sales??????
What kind of fantasy world do some people live in? (But congratulations on not referring to 'Pipe & Slippers'.)
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
KMA
B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.
BeoMegaMan: These ride takers are some of the same ones who can afford a Ferrari or Lamborghini, but yet still go with what some consider as the under-performing Aston Martin. I'd love to be on that ride too! :)
These ride takers are some of the same ones who can afford a Ferrari or Lamborghini, but yet still go with what some consider as the under-performing Aston Martin. I'd love to be on that ride too! :)
And the is the nub of the problem. Most people can't handle the full potential of any of those beasts anyway.
The claim about the BV9 and drug dealers...
It actually does have a bit of merit. The guy pictured below, Mads Dinesen, a flamboyant danish embezzler, brought a BV9 to his cell when he was finally convicted! The setup is an actual shot from his cell!
Paul W:Hi Emil, I agree, the older CRT Avant did indeed sell to very old people at the time. However, on this forum alone, there are two guys aged 30ish and under 30 that own the new Avant. And quite frankly, B&O are so damn desperate for sales - they'll see to anyone. I know that when I lived in Liverpool, the only people that bought the BV9 were the drug dealers! I know that as the old sales guy told my vulgar radio sales woman and she told everyone. And yes here in the UK, many B&O shops do use Blu-Ray players and my gosh, it will make sense for them to use the new 4K Blu-Ray HDR players as that does seem the best possible way to watch 4K films to many enthusiasts.
it was 2007 and the recession has bitten that city very hard and they were the only people who wanted to blow that kind of money on something as silly as a TV. I can tell you, that city was hit very very hard by the recession and sadly we're in for another one which is not going to help B&O.
Razlaw:+1
BeoMegaMan: I would agree that the bulk of the remaining segment of customers are just like Sal! :)
But are there really that many of those old-school customers left? I know quite a few in Bath (loads of spare money, in their 50s, 60s, don't understand technology), but they do read reviews and do some research before spending £7000 on a TV. If reviews state that the BV14 lacks HDR, thus rates is lower as a result, then people will notice. This is 2016, not 1996. The market has changed and that's why B&O stores are struggling - there aren't enough of these "remaining segment" customers who just don't care about tech, but care about how their TV looks in their room etc etc.
There are one or two - note one or two only - on here who say that anything B&O does is "amazing", but most of us are far more critical than we used to be and rightly so.
I might come across as negative, but I'm sitting surrounded by B&O kit: BV12-65, BV11, BL18s, BL20, BL3s, A1, A9, A8, etc etc. I'm a core customer. You can't say I've not supported the brand :)
Am I the only one wondering why you would go for a 4k TV, just to play Netflix or Youtube on a smart TV platform?
Highly compressed and reduced bitrate!
Am I the only one wondering why a TV that boasts "imaculate" sound technology still can't decode DTS HD MA?
Am I the only one wondering why BT audio for headphones is considered progress?
Have we completely given up the quest for quality? - Remember the true meaning of High Fidelity ?
To me, it looks like every time we are given better technologies, the less we care.