New tv bv14

Hi all. We have a bit of explanation for our choice. We didn't include HDR since the full benefit will only come with picture material that has been recorded and processed with the HDR standard. 

 

The new 4k Blu-ray standard will support the HDR standard and of course Netflix and Amazon will be promoting HDR – but we expect only very limited content available in HDR in the coming years. One of the reasons for this is that the extra bandwidth, which is double that of today, needed to transmit HDR content will put a limitation on broadcasted HDR content.

 

Hope that helps with some of your concerns.

 

Best regards,

the Bang & Olufsen Social Media Team

L1NO:

Hope that helps with some of your concerns.

Thank you for stepping in to provide some insights.

My thought would be "not really, I make long term investments; if I need a bridge between AV generations then I will look to a less expensive brand"

L1NO:

Hi all. We have a bit of explanation for our choice. We didn't include HDR since the full benefit will only come with picture material that has been recorded and processed with the HDR standard. 

 

The new 4k Blu-ray standard will support the HDR standard and of course Netflix and Amazon will be promoting HDR – but we expect only very limited content available in HDR in the coming years. One of the reasons for this is that the extra bandwidth, which is double that of today, needed to transmit HDR content will put a limitation on broadcasted HDR content.

 

Hope that helps with some of your concerns.

 

Best regards,

the Bang & Olufsen Social Media Team

 

I think it's cool and unexpected that B&O have commented on this.  But I don't think it's enough of a reason.  There is an acknowlegment that HDR will become more available in the future but surely most people buying a TV of this price are not planning on upgrading in a few years. Isn't one of the philosophies behind B&O is that they are as future proof as you can get?  

Thanks for making time to make a comment.

So why did you supply 3D TVs?

You aren't in the business of telling people what they want, but supplying what they want and compared to the opposition, at an astronomical price.

Sorry, but I don't buy it.

Thanks for the insights L1NO.

However, I was ready to buy the new BV14 (upgrading from a BV11) money set aside and all. However, the upgrade is sadly quite underwhelming:

 

1. Android Smart TV <- I am firmly invested in the Apple ecosystem (as I expect most people who care about design and can afford B&O is) and will thus use the Apple TV for my smart tv needs. First reports further seem to indicate that the Android TV is sluggish on the new B&O platform
2. No HDR <- When TVs that cost a fraction of the cost of a Beovision have this, it is not a choice to leave it out. As someone pointed out above, BVs should be future proof given the size of the initial investment
3. Wood fret <- don't like the look, it seems like an afterthought. The original David Lewis (BV10/11) design was clearly made for fabric, don't mess with the master's well balanced work

 

So unfortunately my money is staying in my pocket until B&O releases a well designed TV with HDR and OLED that will hopefully be a worthy successor to my BV11.

M.

 

Sorry double post. Please delete.

Sorry double post. Please delete.

 

L1NO:

The new 4k Blu-ray standard will support the HDR standard and of course Netflix and Amazon will be promoting HDR

That in itself is reason enough to support HDR?

Seems a bit contradictory to me. 

Sky will have hdr to go with there 4K and many others as months go on! I believe that a 4K over the air is in the works also.

B&O social media team just made it very clear regarding the lack of HDR (translated from Danish)

"Hello Mogens (and others). We have not selected HDR because the full benefit requires that video footage is shot and processed with HDR standard. New Blu-ray standards will support HDR, as well as Netflix and Amazon, but we expect only very limited HDR material in the near future. One reason is that it requires extra bandwidth - twice what we see today - for transmitting HDR, which will put a limited on the material that is being sent.

Regarding OLED. We have looked at both the advantages and disadvantages of the technology across the LCD. For BeoVision 14 LCD seemed like the natural choice; we have put a tinted anti-reflection screen, which gives a very good black color. At the same time, it fits well to the design of the aluminum frame when it comes to both picture and sound.

Hope this answers your question.

Best wishes,
Bang & Olufsen Social Media Team "

I do not buy it. They have messed up big time!

mcm:

1. Android Smart TV <- I am firmly invested in the Apple ecosystem (as I expect most people who care about design and can afford B&O is) and will thus use the Apple TV for my smart tv needs. First reports further seem to indicate that the Android TV is sluggish on the new B&O platform
2. No HDR <- When TVs that cost a fraction of the cost of a Beovision have this, it is not a choice to leave it out. As someone pointed out above, BVs should be future proof given the size of the initial investment
3. Wood fret <- don't like the look, it seems like an afterthought. The original David Lewis (BV10/11) design was clearly made for fabric, don't mess with the master's well balanced work

The supplier (TP?) is probably not ably to deliver 10bit BT.2020 processing and so the BV14 does not feature HDR or officially; Ultra HD Premium. 
Some manufactures like Sony and Visio gave similar statement's like following:  

"As a result, VIZIO remains focused on the Dolby Vision format at this time, as we feel it is technologically superior and has substantially better picture quality resulting from a proper implementation of high dynamic range and extended color gamut."

 Don't forget that only LG has a single(!) licensed implementation of OLED and HDR as Ultra HD Premium, the rest is LCD.

B&O never has the first in adopting features and licenses, there where other signature features they'd compete with. I do feel that they are technical cornered by giants. I never wanted android on my future tv.. I'm still hoping on apple music support and a cheap-ish Bsys5 with HDR or i'll go yamaha receiver route with a fancy beamer and without android.

L1NO:

Hi all. We have a bit of explanation for our choice. We didn't include HDR since the full benefit will only come with picture material that has been recorded and processed with the HDR standard.

The new 4k Blu-ray standard will support the HDR standard and of course Netflix and Amazon will be promoting HDR – but we expect only very limited content available in HDR in the coming years. One of the reasons for this is that the extra bandwidth, which is double that of today, needed to transmit HDR content will put a limitation on broadcasted HDR content.

Hope that helps with some of your concerns.

Best regards,

the Bang & Olufsen Social Media Team

Thank you very much for taking the time to post here. I think the BV14 looks beautiful and the more I look at it the more I would like to buy one. However as I just purchased a pair of Beolab 20s I will have to wait a bit before I buy a new tv. When I buy a new car I do not buy it based on one feature, fastest, best mileage, best stereo, but based I buy based on the whole package. That is why I buy B and O products. I have no doubt that the picture quality on the 14 will be spectacular and look forward to seeing one in person. Seems like everybody here always uses the Beovision Avant CRT as the benchmark for a great B and O tv. Many posts about how great it's picture was compared to other TVs available at the time. Of course it was only a 480p display, not a 720 or 1080 but that never seems to have bothered anybody. So again thank you for posting. Even though one would think this is a forum for people who like B and O all too often it seems like a forum for people to criticize and attack B and O. It is ibtere

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It is interesting reading all of the positive comments on B and O on Facebook. So thank you again for posting. Sadly whatever you might say will never satisfy some people here.

And now the attacks and criticisms of my post can begin.

Not BeoVision 14 but Horizon.

Razlaw:

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It is interesting reading all of the positive comments on B and O on Facebook. So thank you again for posting. Sadly whatever you might say will never satisfy some people here.

And now the attacks and criticisms of my post can begin.

Well it's a clear fail on B&Os behalf. They forgot about hevc and vp9, and HDMI 2.x in 2014. Now they miss the same way with lack of HDR. Most 4K material now is shot for HDR and units do deliver it. It's a strange decision but I guess they had to adopt to a platform that was available for them. Don't forget they fired a lot of people in their own TV staff (seemingly without upsetting many people).

The colors on the Beovision surely so pop but this is not what HDR is. I'm surprised that people here still comment without even understanding what it is before they comment.

I think the image even without HDR is good. But it should be included. They are working on old tech and that is super easy to understand just by the slow android interface : cheap hardware with low specs, old specs. Buy a cheap 50 dollar tablet and you'll understand what I mean. Having to deal with a system like that every day would be very annoying I believe. So I hope it's not as bad as it sounds still.

And when it comes to design. It is exactly the same design as beovision 11. Is could be a mk4. The only change is ports and that there is a wooden fret available - that even fits the beovision 11.

Both units looks very good and if you're planning to buy a new tv sure why not. But going from a 11 to 14, that will be less interesting.

Finally, these are probably the final sets made by B&O. Next tv will be LG.

I am mostly curious of how they've implemented powelink, netlink, image processing and true image into the android software. If it truly is running ON android and not with android side by side it must have been a lot of work to do. And everything re-invented. How it will work compared to older models will be interesting to see.

Please let's keep from comparing cars to tvs. But if, skipping HDR is like faking fuel results like VW.

HDR is today's 3D. Well done to B&O for taking the right tech decisions. Likewise with the choice of Android. Finally smart people making the best compromises. It's a far cry from the silliness that was Windows embedded in the Beosound 5/encore.

B&O has no need to chase the stickers that go on the side of TVs.

Lots bigger media agendas coming that need addressing.

Razlaw:

Thank you very much for taking the time to post here. I think the BV14 looks beautiful and the more I look at it the more I would like to buy one. However as I just purchased a pair of Beolab 20s I will have to wait a bit before I buy a new tv. When I buy a new car I do not buy it based on one feature, fastest, best mileage, best stereo, but based I buy based on the whole package. That is why I buy B and O products. I have no doubt that the picture quality on the 14 will be spectacular and look forward to seeing one in person. Seems like everybody here always uses the Beovision Avant CRT as the benchmark for a great B and O tv. Many posts about how great it's picture was compared to other TVs available at the time. Of course it was only a 480p display, not a 720 or 1080 but that never seems to have bothered anybody. So again thank you for posting. Even though one would think this is a forum for people who like B and O all too often it seems like a forum for people to criticize and attack B and O. It is ibtere

I think you are misidentifying why folk on here are so hot under the collar about this release. Speaking for myself, and I honestly suspect everybody else who has been commenting about it. We love the brand and its unique heritage, and like everybody else here do everything we can to promote it.

But if you think this criticism is limited to a bunch on Beoworld, may I remind you they've had to put the same statement on Facebook. Fans are speechless as to why a readily available technology, that simply delivers a class leading picture is omitted. It's inexcusable.

As to the 480p display on the original Avant. The reason nobody was bothered about that, was because it was the only format available at its gestation. I don't understand your statement or comparison I'm afraid.

We want B&O to prosper and enlarge, and I'm sure I can speak for everyone else here that we try and promote it to our friends. Most of my BBQs end up with me boring all the guests to death with a 7-55 demo. But that also qualifies us to be able to genuinely speak out when we see an error made. And this is an error, a big one I'm afraid.

@Chris: My exact words

mawheele:

HDR is today's 3D. Well done to B&O for taking the right tech decisions. Likewise with the choice of Android. Finally smart people making the best compromises. It's a far cry from the silliness that was Windows embedded in the Beosound 5/encore.

B&O has no need to chase the stickers that go on the side of TVs.

Lots bigger media agendas coming that need addressing.

No it is not.

mawheele:

HDR is today's 3D.

Not true. It is increasing the number of different shades of a colour that can be displayed, resulting in more lifelike colours and a genuine increase in picture quality, probably more so than that from the move to 4K screens. It is not a fad and will be part of all new picture standards.

Whether its absence will significantly impact the TV sales is open for discussion but the fact that it can be a real and significant increase in picture quality is not.

mawheele:

HDR is today's 3D. Well done to B&O for taking the right tech decisions. Likewise with the choice of Android. Finally smart people making the best compromises. It's a far cry from the silliness that was Windows embedded in the Beosound 5/encore.

B&O has no need to chase the stickers that go on the side of TVs.

Lots bigger media agendas coming that need addressing.

Please just spend few minutes watching this gentleman's video on UHD/HDR.

https://youtu.be/RtTIaa-ZgL0

I think he sums it up perfectly.

Razlaw:

Thank you very much for taking the time to post here.

They didn't. This is a forum user posting their comment, as far as I can tell.

Razlaw:

Even though one would think this is a forum for people who like B and O all too often it seems like a forum for people to criticize and attack B and O. It is ibtere

Razlaw, as much as I admire your ever-constant "everything you do is great!" approach to B&O, a forum is a discussion point and it's about balance. Like someone rightly pointed out above, the BV14 is no design revolution. Indeed, when I put the wooden fret on my BV11-40, no-one will tell the difference. It will look exactly like a BV14.

Please remember, just because one person likes to be ever-positive about a brand, it doesn't mean the rest of us *don't* buy B&O kit. I have more than the majority of people on here: BV12-65, BV11-40, BS3, BL20, BL18s, BL3s, etc etc etc. You *can* be critical *and* support the brand. It's about giving criticism in the right areas.

Don't take other people's comments personally. If everyone here simply said "yes B&O, love your stuff, will buy instantly, no issues at all", what would be the point of a forum? It would be very boring.

moxxey:

as much as I admire your ever-constant "everything you do is great!" approach to B&O, a forum is a discussion point and it's about balance. Like someone rightly pointed out above, the BV14 is no design revolution. Indeed, when I put the wooden fret on my BV11-40, no-one will tell the difference. It will look exactly like a BV14.

So true, as I stated in my earlier message. I like the new BV14 but only seen as a update to the BV11( Scandinavian style with wood is my favorite ), but for me its by no means a new revolutionary tv-set.

And driven by an advertising engine as Android, pffff. It sure looks B&O has no money anymore to invent and design an own engine. Look at the Moment, using cheap hardware and an old tablet from third parties in a non plastic case. They are really lost now...

 

It might be an idea to wait and actually see one working before getting obsessed with the technology - personally I would rather have a natural picture on a 40 inch screen than some massive screen with the colour and contrast turned up to impress everyone.

Andrew:

It might be an idea to wait and actually see one working before getting obsessed with the technology - personally I would rather have a natural picture on a 40 inch screen than some massive screen with the colour and contrast turned up to impress everyone.

For goodness sake.

That's the whole point of HDR. To accurately display colours and brightness with a far bigger colour gamut than ever possible with HD etc

Andrew:

It might be an idea to wait and actually see one working before getting obsessed with the technology - personally I would rather have a natural picture on a 40 inch screen than some massive screen with the colour and contrast turned up to impress everyone.

It has nothing to do with screen size, it is about accuracy of colour reproduction and so will apply to all TVs.

Andrew:

It might be an idea to wait and actually see one working before getting obsessed with the technology - personally I would rather have a natural picture on a 40 inch screen than some massive screen with the colour and contrast turned up to impress everyone.

He does have a point.

In the recently released annual report B&O's TV sales were around DKK 840 million last year.  This compared with DKK1,100 million the year before.  This is a very significant drop of nearly a quarter. 

The question is whether the new TVs can reverse this.  I am personally struggling to see how an updated BV11 but without the latest HDR technology (albeit with a very good-looking oak lamella option) will do this.  Time will tell I guess and I'm sure the availability of the Horizon will help but will it be enough?

B&O really need to get their 2017 LG-based release right.

I'm also puzzled that the oak lamella can be retro-fitted to the BV!!.  Don't get me wrong it is fantastic news for an existing BV11 owner (at least those with 40" or 55") but it removes what could have been a reason to upgrade to BV14.  (I can also see people now buying second hand BV11s and adding the oak as a cheaper alternative that looks the same as the BV14.)

 

 

mjmedlo:

does the "house" button pull up Home Control?

Also, I'm assuming these remotes can be programmed for non BlueTooth? I.E. current Avant, 11? etc?

 

Lastly, can you bluetooth pair this remote with an a6?

 

The home button is for use in the menu structure and apps. The remote supports both IR for legacy products and BT for all newer products. 

 

The BR1 BT will pair with other products to control volume etc. 

moxxey:

Razlaw:

Thank you very much for taking the time to post here.

They didn't. This is a forum user posting their comment, as far as I can tell.

Razlaw:

Even though one would think this is a forum for people who like B and O all too often it seems like a forum for people to criticize and attack B and O. It is ibtere

Razlaw, as much as I admire your ever-constant "everything you do is great!" approach to B&O, a forum is a discussion point and it's about balance. Like someone rightly pointed out above, the BV14 is no design revolution. Indeed, when I put the wooden fret on my BV11-40, no-one will tell the difference. It will look exactly like a BV14.

Please remember, just because one person likes to be ever-positive about a brand, it doesn't mean the rest of us *don't* buy B&O kit. I have more than the majority of people on here: BV12-65, BV11-40, BS3, BL20, BL18s, BL3s, etc etc etc. You *can* be critical *and* support the brand. It's about giving criticism in the right areas.

Don't take other people's comments personally. If everyone here simply said "yes B&O, love your stuff, will buy instantly, no issues at all", what would be the point of a forum? It would be very boring.

I do not and did not take any post personally. Unlike your post directed directly at me, in which you clearly try to make it personal, I merely made a general post expressing my opinion. You are the one who appears to take things personally and resorts to ad hominem posts.

 

Here we go!!!

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Chris Townsend:

Razlaw:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As to the 480p display on the original Avant. The reason nobody was bothered about that, was because it was the only format available at its gestation. I don't understand your statement or comparison I'm afraid.

 

 

Wrong.

HD TV was introduced in the USA in 1993. The Avant was introduced in 1996 according to the Beoworld page and the DVD version in 2002. At the time I purchased my Avant in 2000  (here in the US there was no DVD or VCR in the Avant) I compared the picture to TVs with the higher resolution. Clearly B and O was offering the 480p Avant well after higher resolutions were available. And as it was introduced three years after the introduction of HD, it did not have the latest technology. That is why when I purchased my Avant it was described/advertised as HD compatible, but not true HD.

Just as HDR is a new technology, so was HD in 1996, although it was three years old at the time. Yet I have never heard one complaint about the Avant not having the latest, three year old technology upon introduction, Only praise for it having the best picture of it's day.

 

 

 

Razlaw:

Wrong.

HD TV was introduced in the USA in 1993. The Avant was introduced in 1996 according to the Beoworld page and the DVD version in 2002. At the time I purchased my Avant in 2000 (here in the US there was no DVD or VCR in the Avant) I compared the picture to TVs with the higher resolution. Clearly B and O was offering the 480p Avant well after higher resolutions were available. And as it was introduced three years after the introduction of HD, it did not have the latest technology. That is why when I purchased my Avant it was described/advertised as HD compatible, but not true HD.

Just as HDR is a new technology, so was HD in 1996, although it was three years old at the time. Yet I have never heard one complaint about the Avant not having the latest, three year old technology upon introduction, Only praise for it having the best picture of it's day.

Razlaw, why do you so strongly think it's a good thing to not have HDR? Having good color and correct color first and foremost is something I've wanted for a long time in a world of badly calibrated screens. Now we finally can have it. B&O usually takes pride in being very picky about giving the viewer the best and most accurate picture and sound.

Wouldn't have been hard to work on proper tech today. Trust me. did you watch the YouTube video Chris linked? Or watch the graph over the color space?

Michael:

Razlaw:

 

Wrong.

 

HD TV was introduced in the USA in 1993. The Avant was introduced in 1996 according to the Beoworld page and the DVD version in 2002. At the time I purchased my Avant in 2000 (here in the US there was no DVD or VCR in the Avant) I compared the picture to TVs with the higher resolution. Clearly B and O was offering the 480p Avant well after higher resolutions were available. And as it was introduced three years after the introduction of HD, it did not have the latest technology. That is why when I purchased my Avant it was described/advertised as HD compatible, but not true HD.

 

Just as HDR is a new technology, so was HD in 1996, although it was three years old at the time. Yet I have never heard one complaint about the Avant not having the latest, three year old technology upon introduction, Only praise for it having the best picture of it's day.

 

 

 

Razlaw, why do you so strongly think it's a good thing to not have HDR? Having good color and correct color first and foremost is something I've wanted for a long time in a world of badly calibrated screens. Now we finally can have it. B&O usually takes pride in being very picky about giving the viewer the best and most accurate picture and sound.

 

 

Wouldn't have been hard to work on proper tech today. Trust me. did you watch the YouTube video Chris linked? Or watch the graph over the color space?

Please direct me to where I said "it's a good thing to not have HDR"?  I never said any such thing.  Saying a TV without HDR may still be a good TV and have a great picture and saying that I look at the entire package not just one feature, is vastly different than your mischaracterization of my opinion.

Perhaps this will clarify it for you. I have two cars. One a Cadillac that brakes automatically, stops on it own to avoid collisions, will automatically steer itself to stay in it's own lane, has blind spot alerts in the rear view mirror. My other car is a Mercedes. It has none of those features even though it is only one model year older. But I like the Mercedes just as much. Because I bought the Mercedes based on the whole package. 

Similarly I recently looked at a new Jaguar XJ. The Jaguar is far behind other cars, much cheaper cars, when it comes to technology. It has less technology available than the newer XE and XF. But guess what, people still buy Jaguar XJs, They don't run screaming from the dealer "how can they sell a car that doesn't do this that and other thing for such prices" when I can go down the street and get a Honda with all the new technology for much less money.

And that is all my point was. I look at the whole package. I like B and O products for many different reasons. And the fact that a product is missing one new technology is not going to make me dismiss it. It is not going to make me post vitriolic comments at the manufacturer. And I will appreciate the fact that the manufacturer's social media team takes the time to explain the company's reasoning.

 

Puncher:

Here we go!!!

Ban boring signatures!

L1NO:

 

The supplier (TP?) is probably not ably to deliver 10bit BT.2020 processing and so the BV14 does not feature HDR or officially; Ultra HD Premium. 
Some manufactures like Sony and Visio gave similar statement's like following:  

"As a result, VIZIO remains focused on the Dolby Vision format at this time, as we feel it is technologically superior and has substantially better picture quality resulting from a proper implementation of high dynamic range and extended color gamut."

 Don't forget that only LG has a single(!) licensed implementation of OLED and HDR as Ultra HD Premium, the rest is LCD.

B&O never has the first in adopting features and licenses, there where other signature features they'd compete with. I do feel that they are technical cornered by giants. I never wanted android on my future tv.. I'm still hoping on apple music support and a cheap-ish Bsys5 with HDR or i'll go yamaha receiver route with a fancy beamer and without android.

Good morning,

I am afraid that these televisions are just a stop-gap interim solution that were released because B&O had to release something in a hurry. Very few R&D was actually needed to design these sets: same cabinets (or very similar) for the BV 14 or Avant and off the shelf PCBs from TP Vision for the video engine, control and Smart TV, but with the B&O excellent sound processing PCB added. I am not even sure that the LCD panels used have local dimming (please correct me).

The real stuff will come next year when the LG partnership will take effect.  Then we will have everything: HDR, etc. The TP Vision PCBs will be then replaced with the ones supplied by LG and with an OLED panel.

Here is a review of a recent LG TV:

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http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1465365585

Breathtaking!

I think it is worth to wait for the new B&O sets in 2017.

My BV 7-40 Mk III is still running strong after almost 9 years and even if its panel is not state of the art (but its picture is still much better than that of those cheap LCDs with cartoonish pictures and colours)  and I have the intention to keep it as long as possible. But if something spectacular comes out, I will relegate it to a more secondary role as I did for my MX-5000.

Best regards,

Jean

jvezina:

L1NO:

 

The supplier (TP?) is probably not ably to deliver 10bit BT.2020 processing and so the BV14 does not feature HDR or officially; Ultra HD Premium. 
Some manufactures like Sony and Visio gave similar statement's like following:  

"As a result, VIZIO remains focused on the Dolby Vision format at this time, as we feel it is technologically superior and has substantially better picture quality resulting from a proper implementation of high dynamic range and extended color gamut."

 Don't forget that only LG has a single(!) licensed implementation of OLED and HDR as Ultra HD Premium, the rest is LCD.

B&O never has the first in adopting features and licenses, there where other signature features they'd compete with. I do feel that they are technical cornered by giants. I never wanted android on my future tv.. I'm still hoping on apple music support and a cheap-ish Bsys5 with HDR or i'll go yamaha receiver route with a fancy beamer and without android.

Good morning,

I am afraid that these televisions are just a stop-gap interim solution that were released because B&O had to release something in a hurry. Very few R&D was actually needed to design these sets: same cabinets (or very similar) for the BV 14 or Avant and off the shelf PCBs from TP Vision for the video engine, control and Smart TV, but with the B&O excellent sound processing PCB added. I am not even sure that the LCD panels used have local dimming (please correct me).

The real stuff will come next year when the LG partnership will take effect.  Then we will have everything: HDR, etc. The TP Vision PCBs will be then replaced with the ones supplied by LG and with an OLED panel.

Here is a review of a recent LG TV:

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http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1465365585

Breathtaking!

I think it is worth to wait for the new B&O sets in 2017.

My BV 7-40 Mk III is still running strong after almost 9 years and even if its panel is not state of the art (but its picture is still much better than that of those cheap LCDs with cartoonish pictures and colours)  and I have the intention to keep it as long as possible. But if something spectacular comes out, I will relegate it to a more secondary role as I did for my MX-5000.

Best regards,

Jean

I recently looked at the LG while at my dealer. As you say, the picture is Breathtaking! A simply amazing picture.

If you think the lgs oled pictures look good then you guys really need to have a look at the loewe bild 7 oled.

Trouses the lg, i had the pleasure of demoing one the other day in harrods, outstanding motion processing colours and black depth even though they were the pre production models the picture was captivating.

Also from 2017 onwards which i read on flatpanelshd the b&0 oled won't have any video processing from b&0 themselves, it will be lg processing and os system in a b&0 shell.

For reasons unknown you can no longer get that info which was on flatpanelshd as i was going to add the link to that part but has since disappeared from there site.

To be fair lg are only winning the race as the oled technology they are using was brought from kodak.

I have never rated lg and although the picture looks good due to the amazing blacks, im still not a fan of their processing, b&0 and loewes processors to me are alot better in that regard.

To add further does anyone know if the bv14 even has a beosystem engine built in??

 

Razlaw:

Please direct me to where I said "it's a good thing to not have HDR"? I never said any such thing. Saying a TV without HDR may still be a good TV and have a great picture and saying that I look at the entire package not just one feature, is vastly different than your mischaracterization of my opinion.

Perhaps this will clarify it for you. I have two cars. One a Cadillac that brakes automatically, stops on it own to avoid collisions, will automatically steer itself to stay in it's own lane, has blind spot alerts in the rear view mirror. My other car is a Mercedes. It has none of those features even though it is only one model year older. But I like the Mercedes just as much. Because I bought the Mercedes based on the whole package.

Similarly I recently looked at a new Jaguar XJ. The Jaguar is far behind other cars, much cheaper cars, when it comes to technology. It has less technology available than the newer XE and XF. But guess what, people still buy Jaguar XJs, They don't run screaming from the dealer "how can they sell a car that doesn't do this that and other thing for such prices" when I can go down the street and get a Honda with all the new technology for much less money.

And that is all my point was. I look at the whole package. I like B and O products for many different reasons. And the fact that a product is missing one new technology is not going to make me dismiss it. It is not going to make me post vitriolic comments at the manufacturer. And I will appreciate the fact that the manufacturer's social media team takes the time to explain the company's reasoning.

As I said I don't get car comparisons. They failed on bringing HDR and it's probably because of outdated tech. A missed opportunity and a pity. I wanted to have a reason to upgrade. I don't feel I have now.