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mr_anders_son: Waiting for BV14-55 to arrive
Waiting for BV14-55 to arrive
Looking very much forward to read about your experience with the BV14.
It might be the first real life user 'review'.
When is it ceduled to arrive?
And congrats on the deal, you made.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen:Looking very much forward to read about your experience with the BV14. It might be the first real life user 'review'. When is it ceduled to arrive? And congrats on the deal, you made. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
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So BV4-42 will be for now! Must say its a stunning picture for SD panel!!!
As Lee said in another post...BV5 is smazing still..... I agree and BV4, BV5 and BV9 plasma is outstanding in color etc etc...
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Even if it has extremely good color reproduction, it does this with 1/10 the color gammut and data as with HDR.
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I was thinking exactly the same thing. I think combining them with the 12-3 speakers world be a very stylish setup.
I was looking at some Sony TVs today that were doing an UHD v UHD HDR demos. The difference was ridiculous, but at the end of the demo the credits were saying how the software upscales the non HDR image to virtually HDR through processing.
i have a 12-65 NG / Beosystem 4 in my lounge.....cant see myself changing it for quite a while, after all its not very old (24m now).....now of course many owners of not new B&O TVs will state that they love their screens, which i'm sure is true, but question is more whether the picture quality looks outdated.......i can categorically say that that is not true with the 12-65.....80-90% of my viewing is HD channels on SKY, and despite not being Blu-Ray quality as a broadcast signal, the picture is superb........bought mine a year ago as an ex-display from a B&O store, and the picture quality (in strict sense and type of picture) i much preferred on the 12-65 compared to the Avant....in fact i thought there to was no contest to be honest......i guess the Avant would have looked more impressive showing 4K, but given limited content, and my use case as described above, i preferred the 12-65 NG as it was much better in day to day use.........needless to say Blu-Rays look excellent......
am about to pull trigger on BV14-55 for my bedroom this week (outside chance i go for the BV11, but doubt it).......i compared the BV14 and BV11 at a dealer yesterday, and was quite impressed by how much better the BV14 picture was, in a like for like comp vs the BV11.....wouldnt want to overplay the difference, they look relatives of each other PQ wise, but the BV14 looked really good, less LCD like, richer and more 'mature' lets say.......the Android OS seemed to skip around quite quickly too - not as elegant and classy as the current B&O environment, but better than i thought, not ghastly to my eyes, and in the end, with the remote being as it is, one spends little time in the menu system, so not a big deal.....(wasnt an extensive test, but that was my experience for what its worth)....
not sure what your starting point is, screen wise......??
i suspect your intuition is right.....as a 12-65 owner, i will change it up in 3-5 years not earlier, as 4K HDR content will become more a broadcast norm....
Barry Santini:If the picture quality is satisfactory, and everything works as it should, just what is the point of jonesing for an upgrade?
I agree, unless the new picture is so stunning it becomes a "I gotta have that" but honestly, to my eyes I've not seen a set in recent memory that I could say that about. Now, the first time I saw a Proton tube set back in the day compared with my parent's Sony or my Sylvania, WOW! That was eye opening, but even my old 11 year old Panasonic plasma my mother-in-law is using looks better than almost all the LCDs I see. Natural motion, and great black levels. And I was quite happy with it until I moved to a much, much larger house where I sit about twice as far away. So, I upgraded to a 65 inch VT series Panasonic plasma, which I believe is the same panel the Beovision 12 65 uses. I admit, in addition to being bigger, the image is better, the THX setting is awfully close to an ISF set, but if the two were the same size and side by side I doubt I'd have spent the money. I tend to use a set until there's a strong reason to change, usually the old set has died, or as in this case I wanted to go much bigger (23 inches bigger in this case).
I fully intend to use this set until it rolls belly up and curls its legs up, hopefully good OLED options will still exist then, if I have to go with even a high end LCD I'm going to be a sad camper.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Double Post.
new to the forum me, so not sure if you were replying to me......anyway, if you were, i'm not upgrading......my BV12-65NG setup in my lounge is not going anywhere......i'm looking at adding a screen in my bedroom......hence me looking at either a BV11 or BV14, either in 55 inch version in a couple of ADs yesterday, and connecting via a matrix.....utterly unnecessary, yet altogether necessary!...
Aussie Michael:One of the differences between a BV14 and the Avant is that the Avant has a Centre speaker. In the BV14 could you make the 2 inbuilt speakers as "Centre" so if you have 2 BL as left and right?
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Michael:Yes but it is still not the same since the sound will be played from two speakers placed at a distance from each other. The avant is better in this way but most people won't notice. It's easy to program in the audio setup. Even on the avant the center can be dismissed or the whole array be used as a center (R&L&C).
Indeed... If you have additional BL speakers connected to your B&O TV then in a surround setup the center-speakers channel will be transferred to the internal speakers which will act as one-mono centerspeaker.
When not playing surround sound the speakers of the TV will be muted when playing normal stereo sound/music.. but everything can be configured in numerous ways if you want to :-)
kuyttendaele:Indeed... If you have additional BL speakers connected to your B&O TV then in a surround setup the center-speakers channel will be transferred to the internal speakers which will act as one-mono centerspeaker. When not playing surround sound the speakers of the TV will be muted when playing normal stereo sound/music.. but everything can be configured in numerous ways if you want to :-)
Gennaro:I would rather buy a used Beovision 12-65 NG w/Beosystem 4.. Until the oled comes out.... Wondering if 12-65 owners can chime in. I love the pic quality
All I'm going to say is that swapped an Avant 55 for a BV12-65 and have never regretted it! Picture is superb, huge screen, sits fairly flush to the wall. It's like being at cinema in your front room.
I traded in my bv7-40 against a 12-65ng two years ago. I am Very satisfied and can't find any reason to upgrade any time soon. I use a projector for cinema as well but I find myself watching movies using the 65 display more now and the projector less. The picture quality is superb. I typically put on the movie Gravity to show friends how amazing the picture is.
just perfect isn't it? absolutely adore mine....crisp, sharp, clear, rich and natural.....will have a look in 3-5yrs to see whats on offer, unless absolutely compelling, unlikely i'll change......glad you're enjoying yours....
This is not about the BV12-65 but of course it is a great tv. It is by all means bigger and it is a plasma, thereby it has great contrast and good blacks but:• It has an ugly back - whereas the BV11/14/Avant can be placed everywhere, and turn without looking bad. BV12-65 is meant for wall placement primarily. (I believe the NG edition looks a bit better though)• It has fans - because it gets hot - about 300 watts compared to 170 watts for the avant.• The color saturation and brightness will decrease by time as with all plasmas - but it takes time. This is why color calibration has to be done from time to time (funny fact, I have the same kind of calibrator B&O uses for these models - for my Mac! Would be fun to try if it works on my Avant :P).• It requires the BeoSystem box to be placed elsewhere - which can be both good and bad. A preferred solution for more advanced setups though!• There is only one channel sound from the sound bar and no subwoofer (four midrange and one tweeter) - so can't really be used on its own. Well, it goes down to 100 hz but it is still only mono sound and made for dialogue primarily.• It is "only" Full HD. Which means it will look great for current material and lower resolution as well since it doesn't have to upsample that much. But it won't get better than that. And since it is quite big, a 4K resolution would not be a bad thing here. However, I also get a bit curious about this TV since it is so unusual and a bit bigger but I think plasma is a thing of the past and it consumes quite a lot of energy. Not expensive compared to the TV itself but it is not just about that. I try to minimise my electricity bill because I hope many others do that too. As we all know, we consume too much of our planet already and I want to push myself into not adding to that. It is important. But yes, this thread is about the BV14 :D Its an entirely different thing from the BV12-65 however good it is ;)
Michael: This is not about the BV12-65 but of course it is a great tv. It is by all means bigger and it is a plasma, thereby it has great contrast and good blacks but:• It has an ugly back
This is not about the BV12-65 but of course it is a great tv. It is by all means bigger and it is a plasma, thereby it has great contrast and good blacks but:• It has an ugly back
It's on the wall, you don't see the back. It sits fairly flush, too. I think an "ugly back" is picking on very tiny issues. The BV12-65 was designed for the wall, primarily.
Michael:• It has fans - because it gets hot - about 300 watts compared to 170 watts for the avant.
Not really. I've never really experienced an issue with the BV12-65 which wasn't on the Avant. The Avant got fairly hot, too.
I think the other issues you've mentioned are fairly moot, to be honest. I've owned a BV11-55, Avant 55" and 12-65 and would take the 12-65 every single time.
moxxey:It's on the wall, you don't see the back. It sits fairly flush, too. I think an "ugly back" is picking on very tiny issues. The BV12-65 was designed for the wall, primarily. Not really. I've never really experienced an issue with the BV12-65 which wasn't on the Avant. The Avant got fairly hot, too. I think the other issues you've mentioned are fairly moot, to be honest. I've owned a BV11-55, Avant 55" and 12-65 and would take the 12-65 every single time.
well apologies if i dragged the thread off on a tangent........
never heard a peep from my 12-65 NG, fan or no fan, and the viewing angles are perfect....
anyway, i think the broader point is that while its not the newest tech, it remains a superb performer.......the type of picture an LCD produces is definitely not to everyones taste, so having a high end plasma like the 12-65 and moving on to the similar OLED is the best route, without having missed out anything along the way.......
i'm getting a 14-55 for bedroom, but wouldn't put an LCD in my lounge as main viewer.....interestingly, with the 14-55 on its way, had a hunt around for what 4K i can access....the selection on Netflix and Prime is still pathetic, and SKY Q seems to be troublesome from what installers tell me, leaving Blu-Ray, where the choice is also extremely limited......
Sandyb:well apologies if i dragged the thread off on a tangent........ never heard a peep from my 12-65 NG, fan or no fan, and the viewing angles are perfect.... anyway, i think the broader point is that while its not the newest tech, it remains a superb performer.......the type of picture an LCD produces is definitely not to everyones taste, so having a high end plasma like the 12-65 and moving on to the similar OLED is the best route, without having missed out anything along the way....... i'm getting a 14-55 for bedroom, but wouldn't put an LCD in my lounge as main viewer.....interestingly, with the 14-55 on its way, had a hunt around for what 4K i can access....the selection on Netflix and Prime is still pathetic, and SKY Q seems to be troublesome from what installers tell me, leaving Blu-Ray, where the choice is also extremely limited......
indeed, and as a confessed LCD sceptic, the BV14 picture was still good, and as i have mentioned earlier, a noticeable improvement on the BV11.....a bit irritating that the BV14 wont have the software update to work with an HDMI Matrix for a few months....which is exactly my use case.......also annoying that Prime (and therefore its UHD content) isn't available on Android TV.........content distribution is such a mess these days....
Sandyb: indeed, and as a confessed LCD sceptic, the BV14 picture was still good, and as i have mentioned earlier, a noticeable improvement on the BV11.....a bit irritating that the BV14 wont have the software update to work with an HDMI Matrix for a few months....which is exactly my use case.......also annoying that Prime (and therefore its UHD content) isn't available on Android TV.........content distribution is such a mess these days....
Strange that it doesn't work with HDMI matrix yes. I also find the picture on Avant really stunning to be completely honest. I wonder if the panel in the 14 is different from that one or if it is the same. I have had it for two years and everyone is surprised of the quality. It looks very good. I have had several plasma screens before but none was better. I remember my plasmas made some high pitch sounds that changed depending on what was shown on the screen. Most people wouldn't notice the sound but it really bothered me a lot. And that was still the very high end of plasmas. Although, years before BV12.
Michael: You dont get the point. This thread is about beovision 14. Something completely different than bv12.
You dont get the point. This thread is about beovision 14. Something completely different than bv12.
I don't get the point? How rude. It's like your father talking to his young son. Besides, you've written more about the BV12 than I have?
The "point" is, this is a thread about whether people want or don't want to buy a BV14. Someone asked if others had a BV12, we reply. Within the thread. We don't need to start another. It's all relevant. You don't have to discuss the BV14 100% of the time, simply because you believe it's relevant to the thread.
If someone wants to discuss whether the BV14 offers an upgrade over their BV11, BV12 or Avant, let them. And allow others to reply. If *you* believe that the BV14 is the solution - and feel you want to justify that - by telling someone they've missed the point, feel free. Whilst I'm also keen to point out...I disagree with you.
HDMI Matrix software update due in November i am told.........
moxxey: The "point" is, this is a thread about whether people want or don't want to buy a BV14. Someone asked if others had a BV12, we reply. Within the thread. We don't need to start another. It's all relevant. You don't have to discuss the BV14 100% of the time, simply because you believe it's relevant to the thread. If someone wants to discuss whether the BV14 offers an upgrade over their BV11, BV12 or Avant, let them. And allow others to reply. If *you* believe that the BV14 is the solution - and feel you want to justify that - by telling someone they've missed the point, feel free. Whilst I'm also keen to point out...I disagree with you.
Michael:It requires almost twice the power compared to the other sets - and it's not including the power for beysystem 3/4.
That's a point almost totally neglected on Beoworld threads. What energy label has your audio / video gear?
It looks owners did not find it very important, although B&O did some serious efforts to bring energy consumption as low as possible in the latest years.
I can see that the BV14/55" is using 131 Watt on 230 volts, compared to the LG 55" UHD that uses 106 Watts.
Note there is a difference between a LG UHD and OLED HDR for the same screen size, who is actually using 145 Watts, some 39 Watts more compared to the UHD type.
On what scale can we place the BV12?
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
well i think his point was that, either intentionally or not, you seemed to want to shut down discussion of any merits of the 12......i have some sympathy with him, it came on strong, but i tend not to get too riled by these things.........and of course despite not being an LCD fan myself, there are clearly some screens that produce an impressive LCD picture, though i doubt history will judge LCD a leap over plasma PQ wise, more a cheaper,more scale-able and plenty good enough technology..........all of which i guess will be rendered irrelevant by the jump to OLED.....
in fact i just got back from wandering thorough Selfridges, where the AV dept has been carpet bombed by LG screens....(some Olympic related promotion)....their newer current OLEDs, especially the B6/E6/G6 put everything else, including their own 12-18mnth old screens, to shame.....difficult to see how anyone could really have any quibble with the picture the B6/E6/G6 produces, they're really jaw dropping.......over to B&O + LG to make sure the collaboration is sum of parts at least, if not greater.......guess we should all be very excited.......
Sandyb:well i think his point was that, either intentionally or not, you seemed to want to shut down discussion of any merits of the 12......i have some sympathy with him, it came on strong, but i tend not to get too riled by these things.........and of course despite not being an LCD fan myself, there are clearly some screens that produce an impressive LCD picture, though i doubt history will judge LCD a leap over plasma PQ wise, more a cheaper,more scale-able and plenty good enough technology..........all of which i guess will be rendered irrelevant by the jump to OLED..... in fact i just got back from wandering thorough Selfridges, where the AV dept has been carpet bombed by LG screens....(some Olympic related promotion)....their newer current OLEDs, especially the B6/E6/G6 put everything else, including their own 12-18mnth old screens, to shame.....difficult to see how anyone could really have any quibble with the picture the B6/E6/G6 produces, they're really jaw dropping.......over to B&O + LG to make sure the collaboration is sum of parts at least, if not greater.......guess we should all be very excited.......
Chris:That's a point almost totally neglected on Beoworld threads. What energy label has your audio / video gear? It looks owners did not find it very important, although B&O did some serious efforts to bring energy consumption as low as possible in the latest years. I can see that the BV14/55" is using 131 Watt on 230 volts, compared to the LG 55" UHD that uses 106 Watts. Note there is a difference between a LG UHD and OLED HDR for the same screen size, who is actually using 145 Watts, some 39 Watts more compared to the UHD type. On what scale can we place the BV12? "Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
KMA
B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.
The FCC website is always worth a visit :-)
Some details on the new BR1 BT are available HERE Silabs Gecko EFM32GG230 (MCU) + CSR1010 (BT). At least for me: not a very common combination. Would have expected something like NRF51 or 52... Maybe the initial BR1 was based around the Gecko MCU and they now just throw in the CSR BT radio...No indication for a charger on those pictures.
KMA:Michael & Moxxey: Give each other a virtual hug & make up! Moxxey has bigger, Michael has 4K
Give each other a virtual hug & make up!
Moxxey has bigger, Michael has 4K
...and neither of them has a BV14!
Michael: • It requires the BeoSystem box to be placed elsewhere - which can be both good and bad. A preferred solution for more advanced setups though!
• It requires the BeoSystem box to be placed elsewhere - which can be both good and bad. A preferred solution for more advanced setups though!
Where is the good ?
Sometimes a picture says more than a thousand words ...