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Room correction using Beolabs

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seethroughyou
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seethroughyou Posted: Wed, Sep 21 2016 8:53 PM
One of the best things you can do when striving for audio quality is understand how your speaker and room interact. I have been reading up on room correction and watching some videos. The concept is simple with a microphone, a laptop to measure and generate room correcting filters but can become nightmarishly complicated quickly if integrating stereo subs. Sad

Has anyone used Dirac room correction or some similar correction with Beolab speakers?

What Beolabs did you go for and how did you find the end result after correction?

Before anyone mentions the Beolab 90s having all of this in one tidy package, I'm well aware but with a young family and a mortgage, I can't afford the BL90 and want to learn from someone whose has gone down the cheaper DIY route themselves.

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Present: BL90, Core, BL6000, CD7000, Beogram 7000, Essence Remote.

Past: BL1, BL2, BL8000, BS9000, BL5, BC2, BS5, BV5, BV4-50, Beosystem 3, BL3, DVD1, Beoremote 4, Moment.

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Mr 10Percent
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Most DIYAudio-ers ( there is a forum out there) would follow the basic 5-point fool-proof plan 1. Immediately poo-poo B&O, BL5 and BL90 as all form and no substance and you could do the same yourself a lot cheaper. 2. Talk themselves into circles eventually forgetting what the original question was. 3. Agree to coat the whole living room in black egg-crate acoustic foam and put the uni-directional copper-free copper cables on little chess pieces to isolate it from something, 4. Talk themselves into tighter circles and all disagree on everything. 5. Forget where the door to the living room is because they covered it all in black egg-crate acoustic foam. In summary, I would buy a nice rug, nice curtains, some large artwork which you wife would appreciate and enjoy what you have over a large bottle of red.
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mjmedlo replied on Wed, Sep 21 2016 11:34 PM
Mr 10Percent:

Most DIYAudio-ers ( there is a forum out there) would follow the basic 5-point fool-proof plan 1. Immediately poo-poo B&O, BL5 and BL90 as all form and no substance and you could do the same yourself a lot cheaper. 2. Talk themselves into circles eventually forgetting what the original question was. 3. Agree to coat the whole living room in black egg-crate acoustic foam and put the uni-directional copper-free copper cables on little chess pieces to isolate it from something, 4. Talk themselves into tighter circles and all disagree on everything. 5. Forget where the door to the living room is because they covered it all in black egg-crate acoustic foam. In summary, I would buy a nice rug, nice curtains, some large artwork which you wife would appreciate and enjoy what you have over a large bottle of red.

Agree.

I have not Tried what is being asked but I do agree that you should love what you have!
seethroughyou
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Well I had the Beolab 5s and as good as they were I now want to go further having heard what else was out there but do not want to down go down the egg carton and traditional monkey coffin route. So did Bang and Olufsen, to the point that they invested a shed load of money and years measuring the acoustic response of the Beolab 90s and incorporating room/speaker correction dsp. I have exhausted your suggestions and still have reverb and the acoustics aren't right having checked. I appreciate that going fully down the DIY or audiophool route is daft but your suggestion of tarting up the lounge with furnishings and opening a bottle of wine still won't correct or resolve the speaker/room interaction issues any further. I have the rug, thick curtains, sofas... The wavelength of bass frequencies extends into tens of feet so no amount furnishings will help with that. The mid-high hump is a tad harsh on the ears. If I could afford the BL90 that would be the solution but I can't hence the question about improving the audio performance with more modestly priced B&O speakers which to my mind nearly all look spectacular but pushing the acoustic envelope further with dsp room correction. These units are about the size of an Essence, can be hidden away and once a filter is made you never need a laptop or microphone in the room again. So has anyone experimented with Room Correction on their Beolabs?

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Present: BL90, Core, BL6000, CD7000, Beogram 7000, Essence Remote.

Past: BL1, BL2, BL8000, BS9000, BL5, BC2, BS5, BV5, BV4-50, Beosystem 3, BL3, DVD1, Beoremote 4, Moment.

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Beer_Baron
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I'm going down the same path, exploring options at this stage. I have BL5s with BL3 surround and I can't afford to upgrade to BL50/90. So looking to see if I can (or even if I should) improve the room acoustics.

Room description: 7.3m by 6m by 2.4m high. Wood floors, lots of wood bookcases, grand piano, hard leather sofa, fabric sofa, full length curtains along one wall. Two large openings (doorways) with no doors. Measured acoustic reverb at around 0.45 to 0.55 across all frequencies. Apparently the desired reverb is 0.30 for home theatre.

I'm looking at panels by ArtNovion (https://artnovion.com/design scroll down for images) mainly because they look quite good and are easily affixed to the wall and ceiling. They have an app (iPhone or iPad only, unfortunately) that can measure the current acoustics of your room. Since I used an iPad internal microphone the results aren't particularly accurate at very low and very high frequencies but it gave me an idea of what the problem areas might be. You can then add panels to the app and predict how the room acoustics change.

What I'd like to know is: with the ARC in the BL5, how does this affect the necessity or design of room acoustic treatment?

BV6-26, BV7-40, BL7.4, BL3, BL5, BS9000, BC1, ES1, Beo4, BeoPort

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