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Beogram 4000 7inch detection

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Lee Posted: Tue, Oct 18 2016 6:52 PM
Hi Guys.

I've finally got my Beogram 4000 up and running and it all seems to be fine apart from it often (more often than not) thinks there's a 7inch record on the platter when the platter is empty.

Any ideas on where to look?

Thanks

Lee

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sonavor replied on Tue, Oct 18 2016 7:41 PM

Hi Lee,

It took me several iterations in my Beogram 4000 adjustments to get the various tonearm events working correctly. In almost every case the problem came down to the position switches. Especially the ones on the moving tonearm carriage. The metal arms on the carriage assembly that activate the little position switches are very touchy. Make sure you check the height of all the activation arms as well as their horizontal position in the slide. The horizontal position setting of course sets where you want them to activate the switch. However, if any of the arms are at a different height from the others, it could disrupt or alter the activation of the switches.

I ran my Beograms through several cycles with the metal arms removed so I could manually press the switches. Once I determined the switches all functioned correctly I focused on the activator arms and that was where my problems were.

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sonavor replied on Tue, Oct 18 2016 10:38 PM

Lee:

 I've finally got my Beogram 4000 up and running and it all seems to be fine apart from it often (more often than not) thinks there's a 7inch record on the platter when the platter is empty. Lee



Thinking some more about your Beogram 4000 problem. Since it is detecting the 7" record location correctly but not recognizing there isn't a record present...It is more likely your problem is with the platter detector lamp in the fixed arm. Either the lamp or the circuit the lamp feeds.

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Lee replied on Wed, Oct 19 2016 12:48 PM
I swapped out the switch board for another from the spares machine and it's doing the same....

I really don't know where to look next.

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Lee replied on Wed, Oct 19 2016 12:58 PM
If I remove the 7" switch (the plastic bit on top of the board) the deck obviously doesn't detect that a non existent 7" record is on the platter and carries on to the end and then returns as expected. I think this rules out the switches?

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Dillen replied on Wed, Oct 19 2016 2:02 PM

The switch merely tells the electronics WHEN to look for a possible record.
So the switch is apparently fine - but the record sensing is wrong in that it believes a record is present when
the switch tells it to look.

Check the distance from platter to sensorarm.
Check the lamp and its position in relation to the lens system.

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Lee replied on Wed, Oct 19 2016 2:15 PM
Hi Martin,

I've adjusted the platter so it runs true. The distance from the sensor arm to the platter is 13.06mm which I assume is correct...

The bulb seems to be in the correct place but I don't have a reference.

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Lee replied on Wed, Oct 19 2016 2:26 PM
Strangely if I take the belt off the platter and spin it by hand faster than 33rpm the detection works as expected. It also works it I press on and the 45rpm straight away.

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Dillen replied on Wed, Oct 19 2016 2:26 PM

Looks fine from here.
It senses the radial streaks on the platter. You can see them as a pulse-train from the sensor and through the
filtering etc. at the main board.
(You can also see, that exact positioning of the lamp and sensorarm height are essential for the signal condition).
If no pulses comes through, the electronics assumes a record must be present.
Somewhere this pulse signal is lost. Put a scope to the circuit and move things around a bit to get the best signal.

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Lee replied on Wed, Oct 19 2016 2:50 PM
I had a quick read of the back of the service manual and noticed it talked about new bulbs and modifying the main PCB to accommodate the differences in characteristics. One of the mentioned mods was to remove the potentiometer on the printed side of the board. I unsoldered one leg of it and it appears to operate correctly now with the platter spinning at 33rpm. Could this be the issue? Maybe the bulb was replaced at some point....

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sonavor replied on Wed, Oct 19 2016 3:13 PM

The small trimmer I think you are referring to is for adjusting the sensitivity of the record detection to account for vinyl records that are semi-transparent. So it makes sense that it would affect your problem. As Martin suggested though, it would be best to use an oscilloscope to examine the various points of the control signal and see what you have going on there. The service manual shows the expected signals and voltages.

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Lee replied on Wed, Oct 19 2016 3:49 PM
Yes it does mention in the service manual additions that that was the original purpose of the pot. Obviously they deemed it un-necessary to suggest removal of it. According to the document the new replacement bulb puts out less light than the original so it became unnecessary.

I'll have to purchase a scope and then I'll get it all adjusted properly... in the meantime it's working so at least I can enjoy it :-)

Thanks for all the help guys!

Lee

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Lee replied on Wed, Oct 19 2016 4:38 PM
How could one tell if the bulb was the earlier or later type?

I know this Beogram has been repaired before as it's got a sticker on the back saying so...

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Dillen replied on Wed, Oct 19 2016 8:13 PM

Lee:

How could one tell if the bulb was the earlier or later type?

You can't.
But perhaps you can tell, if it has been factory fitted.

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Lee replied on Wed, Oct 19 2016 8:47 PM
I'll take a picture of the solder side Matin and see what your expert eye thinks.
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Lee replied on Wed, Oct 19 2016 8:48 PM
And can anyone recommend a good scope for these things that won't break the bank. I'm poor.

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Lee:
And can anyone recommend a good scope for these things that won't break the bank. I'm poor.

Lee

I bought this one last year, until now working good, fast learning curve if you set your mind to it

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