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Beomaster analog turner

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Orava
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Orava Posted: Mon, Dec 19 2016 9:03 AM

Hello all radio experts.

What could cause blurry sound on analog BM1100 FM turner? It occurs on whole band, on all presets and on manul as well.

 

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Dillen replied on Mon, Dec 19 2016 12:36 PM

If the sensitivity is fine, I would take a closer look at the detector.
"Uneven" detection can give a muffled sound.

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Orava replied on Tue, Dec 20 2016 8:24 AM

Sensitivy quit ok. I dont know if muufled is exact, more like water in headphones. Confused

Do you mean stereo detector? What is AGC?

(as you see, turners are not my specialites)

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Dillen replied on Tue, Dec 20 2016 12:51 PM

The detector is the circuit that "picks" the programme signal from the IF (Intermediate Frequency) and sends it on to the amplfier (the
stereo decoder if fitted).
AGC is Automatic Gain Control. Using the IF signal strength as reference, it sets the amplification at the front end to
compensate for stronger and weaker stations.

Water could be one way of describing the sound from a bad detector.
Bad filtering in the power supply could also cause programme signal problems. Has the Beomaster been recap'ed?

Martin

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Orava replied on Thu, Dec 22 2016 7:56 AM

Yes it is recapped (power second time now, and properly this time) Only noticealbe different value is 160 >220 in turner section but I think it is morely for filtering power rail.

AGC adjustment made by book does not have any difference. I haven´t much time for this lately, maybe on mid-winter break.

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Dillen replied on Thu, Dec 22 2016 8:04 AM

If you are sure that the sensitivity is fine, but the AGC line does nothing, the problem could be with the AGC, but that rarely affects
programme sound quality.
Is the AGC line negative or close to ground?
Else I would suspect one of the transistors at the front end.

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Orava replied on Sat, Feb 4 2017 3:42 PM

AGC clearly affectsto sound but I cant measure it, maybe I do something wrong?

Checked front end tr's (BF194) they are ok. Found one broken trace at R47, but stil sounds like getting overload to preamp when stereo.

Pre amp works ok, tested with CD

 

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