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beojeff: I don't see why you always argue so strongly against a new BeoSystem. We all have different needs. I respect that for you an all-in-one tv suits your needs. However, it's nice to have options in the B&O product portfolio. ...I find a prince point of $5,000 to $7,000 to be quite reasonable for a BeoSystem. Again, it's just nice to have these options in the product portfolio.
I don't see why you always argue so strongly against a new BeoSystem. We all have different needs. I respect that for you an all-in-one tv suits your needs. However, it's nice to have options in the B&O product portfolio.
...I find a prince point of $5,000 to $7,000 to be quite reasonable for a BeoSystem. Again, it's just nice to have these options in the product portfolio.
Sorry - I though, that I wrote:
'A BSys5/AudioSystem however, would not be bad'.
Why do you put other words in my mouth?
Why should I argue against a cinema solution?
I am sure, that B&O would have 'that option in the product portfolio', if they were convinced, that there would be enough (!) costumers for it.
As I wrote - a majority of those who want a BSys5/cinema solution, would certainly expect support for Dolby Atmos and the other immersive sound solutions.
As for the 'all-in-one-tv-solution.
It seems that B&O is following that route - independent of what 'suits my needs' ---- or yours for that matter.
We'll see - maybe a BSys5 will come - as for a possible prize, I don't even dare guess.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen:That would be a huge tv ;-( MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1498478367
'FlatpanelsHD has received tips from several sources but we have not been able to independently confirm details. We are told that LG has been developing the video processor and the operating system (webOS) for the new TV from B&O. A soundbar under the TV, developed by Bang & Olufsen, will communicate with the TV via HDMI CEC.'
Not so much new info but would be interesting if the speaker bar was optional, I still think its going to be way too expensive. I heard from the Norwegian dealer that it will be just over the price of an Avant which is in line with what other people have said here. Still very exciting, although out of my price range I am interested in seeing what they do.
BV Harmony 65 / Eclipse 55 / BL 50 / 19 / 18 / BS 2 all brass
BV Horizon 48 / V1 40 / BL 17 / Beoplay S3 all black
V1 / BL 3 / BS Essence MKII / Beoplay A3 all white
BS Moment / BS 3000 / BS 3200 / BL 400 all silver
Headphones / bluetooth speakers / BLC NL-ML / BLGateway
I know…B&O virus has grown on me !
Fansastic:Sounds like B&O is leaving the TV product development area finally. Game changer for all future TV products, feels a lot like B&O car products. No real B&O feeling, more rebranding of Karmann Hardon product. For TV's rebranding a LG product
In all honesty, it sounds like what a lot of people thought B&O was doing anyhow - basically creating a TV frame around an existing product!
So, LG produces the internals, video processor and so on, B&O supplies the outer case design and "sound bar", then doubles the price.
Ammier:http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1498478367 'FlatpanelsHD has received tips from several sources but we have not been able to independently confirm details. We are told that LG has been developing the video processor and the operating system (webOS) for the new TV from B&O. A soundbar under the TV, developed by Bang & Olufsen, will communicate with the TV via HDMI CEC.' Not so much new info but would be interesting if the speaker bar was optional, I still think its going to be way too expensive. I heard from the Norwegian dealer that it will be just over the price of an Avant which is in line with what other people have said here. Still very exciting, although out of my price range I am interested in seeing what they do.
Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen: Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom: M3 Homeoffice: M3, Beocom 2 Library: Beosound Emerge, Beocom 6000 Bedroom: M5, Essence remote Travel: Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay EQ, Beoplay Earset
Hiort:Also, there are no "B&O menus". It will be LG WebOS all the way. That's a pitty since that would have added to the premium feeling.
That's a pitty since that would have added to the premium feeling.
I am not sure I understand how this would work. Would one still be able to use a Beoremote 1? Is it NL compatible? Will I be able to use a NL/ML converter. I guess we will have to wait to see how the TV will work. Is this the product that Lee said would be controversial?
For me if the B&O/LG tv is just a TV with Bang and Olufsen speakers, then it is a nonstarter.
linder:I am not sure I understand how this would work. Would one still be able to use a Beoremote 1? Is it NL compatible? Will I be able to use a NL/ML converter. I guess we will have to wait to see how the TV will work. Is this the product that Lee said would be controversial? For me if the B&O/LG tv is just a TV with Bang and Olufsen speakers, then it is a nonstarter.
Wisa compliant soundbar in white. Able to connect to my Moment including hdmi arc I hope......
Regards,
Norwin
Beosound Halo, Beosound Core 2x, Beosound 1, Beosound M3 3x, Beolab 18, 19, 12-1, 4000, Beoplay H7, A1, Almando Multiplay Surround Switch
So basically the soundbar will be the connection hub to ones existing setup through RJ45 and wisa. It will probably have all the app functionality. I still hope it can be skipped with a simple connection hub like a beosound shape core. I just cant believe the justification for the price though, I think there was a real opportunity for them to be competitive here. I will probably still want one.....
linder: Hiort:Also, there are no "B&O menus". It will be LG WebOS all the way. That's a pitty since that would have added to the premium feeling. I am not sure I understand how this would work. Would one still be able to use a Beoremote 1? Is it NL compatible? Will I be able to use a NL/ML converter. I guess we will have to wait to see how the TV will work. Is this the product that Lee said would be controversial? For me if the B&O/LG tv is just a TV with Bang and Olufsen speakers, then it is a nonstarter.
Agreed. I am so impressed with LGs OLED TVs anyway, they have everything I am looking for in terms of picture quality, HDR, 4K, pure blacks, individual lighting pixel technology across all colours etc, beautiful thin designs with screen up to the bezel pretty much and very aesthetically pleasing. I just need to sort the sound out which in all honesty I'll probably just do now with a top sound bar. Looks like I'll be selling off my B&O speakers and rest of kit leaving me just an A3 and and an A1. TV tech is so advanced now with B&O always outdated and ridiculously expensive for what reason particularly? Have no idea what they can add these days to justify any kind of price increase over and above the already excellent OLED TVs now available. I honestly think B&O will cease to exist in the next few years unless they can survive on audio alone. Simon.
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
Hiort: I guess B&O can add their magic into the soundbar.
I guess B&O can add their magic into the soundbar.
Really? On an ultra-thin OLED? I can't say the centre speaker on my BV12-65 is anything amazing. Certainly very little 'magic' from that speaker.
The speaker / sounder is going to be separate from the screen (been told to expect a 7 55 type arrangement)....so i guess the brains (whether LG and / or B&O) will be in there.....thats what other manufacturers have done to accommodate the thin screens.....cant see any reason why B&O would do anything different.....
A 7-x had the 'brains' and the connections built-in to the tv/screen and a speaker (stereo or mono) seperate below.
Probably not what you mean?
But ok - a display with a 'brains'/soundbar below could be called a '7 55 arrangement'.
yes, thats what i meant......the design architecture that other manufacturers have adopted, B&O will follow....especially given the degree to which they have outsourced the production of the upcoming TV......design / form isn't the principal question for me, its how much B&O experience is going to be present.....we suspect the video processing is third party, which leaves the audio experience, both quality wise and connectivity wise......
i'd really hope that the B&O connectivity is included at launch, and not added slowly over the subsequent 6-12 months, which would be frustrating......
assuming the remote is B&O standard, with all the control options.....though if the new TV supports CEC fully, will it need all the PUC capabilities? need to think about that one....
moxxey:Really? On an ultra-thin OLED? I can't say the centre speaker on my BV12-65 is anything amazing. Certainly very little 'magic' from that speaker.
BeoVision Eclipse :-)
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Karel.
Hiort: I just meant that the soundbar holds all connectivity and should include NL , sources etc as well as Beoremote reception.
I just meant that the soundbar holds all connectivity and should include NL , sources etc as well as Beoremote reception.
Oh, maybe. It's going to be double the price though (£10K v £5K for the LG OLED), so I hope there's a lot of additional "magic" in that box :)
Also, am I the only person who thinks it's daft to have a big sound bar under an ultra-thin TV? Sort of defeats the object of having an ultra-thin screen!
moxxey: Also, am I the only person who thinks it's daft to have a big sound bar under an ultra-thin TV? Sort of defeats the object of having an ultra-thin screen!
Finally something, that we two can agree on ;-)
Agree. I think the Beovision 11 / 14 design concept is hard to beat. Would rather have the OLED screen in there,
That would basicly mean, that we will see:
a LG OLED tv and
a BSys4 and a half (no tuner version) with HDMI/CEC+ARC support with
a mounted BL7-6.
All this controlled by a BROne/BT-NPV (NervousPointerVersion) with - at least - a fixed Netflix button.
And you can re-use a BV7 stand!
Included in the price is the option to change the (LG-)tv every year at a reduced rate.
I'd love it ;-)
....or maybe not ;-(
Maybe I should start looking for a BV11-55 --- to h*ll with 4K and HDR and co.
You all sound like this is B&Os only tv,
Expect high model now, soon more will follow.
Loewe have 4 series with OLED, so B&O are just starting.
And for the BV11 design, B&O have BV5/9/11/14 expect a updated LG version.
Beovision Harmony 77" 2nd Gen, Beolab 5, Beolab 17, Beosound 1, Beoplay M3, Beoplay Portal, Beoplay Earset, Beoliving Intelligence
@Emil
I sure hope,,that you are right.
Honestly, I have much confidence in the skills of the guys in Struer.
Sure they will present more than an add-on to some LG-tv off the shelf.
moxxey: Oh, maybe. It's going to be double the price though (£10K v £5K for the LG OLED), so I hope there's a lot of additional "magic" in that box :) Also, am I the only person who thinks it's daft to have a big sound bar under an ultra-thin TV? Sort of defeats the object of having an ultra-thin screen!
The problem is that laws of physics cannot be beaten, If we want good full range sound from a center speaker (as B&O owners expect), then a certain volume is required. Also, in the case of the future OLED TV, the speaker will certainly also contain the surround and control processors and that require space for the boards. For example, when the Beovision 10 was introduced, some complained about the limited bass of the built-in speakers. The Beolab 7 didn't have this limitation.
Jean
BAND'OH!: Agreed. I am so impressed with LGs OLED TVs anyway, they have everything I am looking for in terms of picture quality, HDR, 4K, pure blacks, individual lighting pixel technology across all colours etc, beautiful thin designs with screen up to the bezel pretty much and very aesthetically pleasing. I just need to sort the sound out which in all honesty I'll probably just do now with a top sound bar. Looks like I'll be selling off my B&O speakers and rest of kit leaving me just an A3 and and an A1. TV tech is so advanced now with B&O always outdated and ridiculously expensive for what reason particularly? Have no idea what they can add these days to justify any kind of price increase over and above the already excellent OLED TVs now available. I honestly think B&O will cease to exist in the next few years unless they can survive on audio alone. Simon.
That depends on how much we value the concept of having an all-in-one integrated system with surround sound speakers, one remote to control everything, and multi-room. If just a TV, sound bar and universal remote are sufficient , then perhaps a Beovision is overkill.
According to those who have been able to listen to the latest Sony Blu-ray sets, where it's the screen itself that is vibrating to render sound, it's one of the best TV sets they ever listened to... it may be the solution to have flat tvs with big sound.
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mbee: According to those who have been able to listen to the latest Sony Blu-ray sets, where it's the screen itself that is vibrating to render sound, it's one of the best TV sets they ever listened to... it may be the solution to have flat tvs with big sound.
But, how good is that system in a proper home theatre installation ? Is that a proper alternative to a good centre speaker? What occurs if the TV is hung on the wall?
We have two possible ways of using the TV. First as standalone. In this case, a speaker system that gives an illusion of surround is sufficient. Second, as part of a home theatre installation. Here, the speaker should act as a good centre.
Again, if we consider the real surround experience as out fashioned and no longer needed, then perhaps the Sony system suffices. .
That is one of the 'songs', that little birdy has been singing.
I would not wonder, if there is something real in that.
B&O/Beoworlders love moving parts ;-))
BeoGreg:Little birdy told me about a Beocenter AV5 (with alu plate under the screen) design not BV7. That makes sense to me because we allready have mooving speakers on Avant. Maybe the separate speaker is an other tv then ?
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Any news when we can expect the new B&O OLED TV? Can we expect it's release in summer or not?
As far as we can know, it will be presented on the IFA in Berlin in the beginning of September.
However, that does not mean that it will be for sale shortly after!
Thanks MM, will there be an update (maybe with a new LG panel or even HDR) for the BV 14 in the next 1-2 months?
LifeStyle:Any news when we can expect the new B&O OLED TV? Can we expect it's release in summer or not?
Any news if there will also presented other products at the event?
LifeStyle:Any news if there will also presented other products at the event?
A first "semi-official" announcement of the Beovision Eclipse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEOFqhkbnYc
No details given, however!