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Has anybody reviewed or compared both TVs?
I would like to have your thoughts especially about sound performances : is it ID 32 < BPlay 32 < ID 40 < BPlay 40 (according to the specifications)?
Hi benoit i have just ordered a loewe connect id in the 40" if more funds were availible it would have been the 46" without hesitation, the picture quality on it is simply amazing.
I was really interested in getting the v1 even looking past the looks but the lag on gaming is terrible i know some on here don't play videogames but me and my family do.
What i did like about the v1 though was the picture and sound quality but if i'm honest and this is only in my opinion i think that the loewe connect edges it ever so slightly... i have seen them side by side when i was in harrods some time ago and they were both displaying the same image which was a tennis match and the loewe looked sharper and more detailed and had less blur when the ball was travelling.
Now i don't know if it is down to the 200hz processor the loewes using compared to the v1s 100hz processor but it did produce a very stable and crisp picture. I'm not saying the v1 is bad in anyway because it isn't but in my view the connect is that little bit better whilst actually looking more visually attractive too.
The sound quality on this tv is also very good with decent bass from the down firing woofers and clear sounds from the front speaker.
On the 31 of august they are holding the IFA 2012 event in berlin where they will be showcasing the new loewe individual led tvs, they have drastically reduced the bezel which looks beautiful they are also making it availble with an 750gb hardrive built in 400hz motion compensation and they will also have 4 hdmi inputs they also have a new styled remote it has alot less buttons and is smaller.
I hope this info is of some help to you.
Beoplay A2
Thank you for your reply.
I have seen pictures of the coming New Individual but I don't need the built in hard drive and the price will be to high for me.
What I 'm looking for is a TV with a good sound that I can use as well for listening to some music in a 20sqm room with a descent quality.
I think that you would be alright with the either the v1 or connect id then, it will come down to your personal taste and requirements.
There is quite a nice warm bass on the loewe it has 80watts of power i don't think that it betters the v1 in terms of sound quality but it is sufficient and still very good...
But I think that maybe the ID 40 has a better sound than the V1-32 for lower price.
I think it would be more powerful than the 32" v1.
I think I'll go for the ID 40 then...
I think b&o didn't do their homework properly on the target market here. Most young people who might be interested in thus tv probably play games on their tvs. Gaming seems to be terrible on the V1 due to picture lag.
Its certainly put me off.
It didn't put me off at all. I am relatively young (27) and have no interest in computer games. I'd rather be playing guitar, reading, exercising or cooking every time. Each to their own! No regrets whatsoever - I love using the V1 everyday (which is 75% for music I'd say).
I'm pretty sure you're the exception to the rule.
Gaming is a big part of people's social lives nowadays.
About time bno realised that. Apple do.
Hi All
First post here. Few points of note the Loewe and V1 both use a Samsung panel the loewe panel being 3d B&O believe 40" is to small for current 3D to be effective. The new Loewe connect looks stunning in the pictures and the Play not so much so however sit the two of them side by side and its a no contest IMO, the Connect ID has a fabric grill as part of the J Design this IMO cheapens the product were as the paint work and quality of the V1 has to be seen.
I currently have an Art 42 with hard drive and twin sat feds into the back of the Tv. Its been a nightmare panel went after two years use and had to be replaced half the features didn't work when new or after the repair and then the repair company spent six months getting the panel and carrying out various repairs to the Tv including several firmware updates.
Living with a Loewe can be difficult the hard drive won't to my knowledge record from the Sat Loewe don't pay the fee or at least didn't for a Freesat licence they do however now pay for freeview. B&O don't pay for current freesat either so instead of a hard drive they've linked in with apple to stream shows etc smart move IMO no need to develop your own software.
Sound wise the loewe is very very good and picture now the faults have been sorted its good over all Loewe don't make bad televisions the problem is poor customer service and poorly thought out menus which are difficult to use. I honestly don't think I'd have another Loewe Tv the sound on the new connect ID is decent and slightly better than the sound from my current Art TV. The small bezel means a 46 isn't as big as you'd think so again a plus. However beware that internet connections have been a problem for Loewe something they've been working on and a few months back it was rumoured Apple was going to buy the brand also they've had various issues developing there own software platform.
The Demo I had of the Play V1 was very good the Tv was on the High Stand ? so they had apple Tv built in and a Samsung Blu-ray player hanging of the back of the Tv it was a fairly small machine designed to be used upright. All could be controlled via the remote. Sound wise the Tv blew me away it sounded amazing with action scenes and music videos alike certainly the best sound I've heard from a TV. The finish in the flesh, black model is stunning real attention to detail and quality materials have been used.
Picture was good very good I'd say better than my current Loewe Tv certainly colours and movements were all very sharp for a large bright shop the detail was very good. I received a letter after my demo offering me a home demo that might be worth considering.
If I was changing my Loewe which is becoming increasingly likely I'd only consider doing it for a Play V1 in black with apple tv and the Samsung Blu-ray player.
Nice report Neill. I'm glad you are a fan of the V1 and it's reassuring to know it stands up well next to its competitors. The sound is great! I would still like to check out the current batch of Loewe products anyway.
First post and it was done quickly I need to learn how you edit and sort a few of the mistakes but I'm sure people get the general feel of what I was saying well I hope they do
In my experience Loewe are a pale imitation of bang & olufsen in every way.
Well at the end of the day before i parted with my cash i did extreme research on both tvs loewe have re-worked the processor and chassis platform for this tv and from what i have seen the picture does better previous loewes that i have seen in the past.
Blacks for example look alot deeper not that weak shade of grey, they have also changed the backlight system so that the tv is able too display black without the backlight and clouding problems.
Don't get me wrong the fabric speaker wasn't a plus point for me as i felt long term durability could be an issue with it freying but i got stereo speakers with the same type of fabric grill and they are still in perfect condition.
I hated the v1 when it came out and really weren't to hot on the design especially in the white but in black it looks alot better and i have too agree the picture and sound quality is very very good i haven't denied that but the lag is an issue and okay some people don't play videogames but then there is some that do and that was one of the major drawbacks of this tv for me it's really bad irritating infact.
I think that i can give a good opinion on both tvs due too me demoing both and like i said in my opinion the loewe looks a bit better with the type of material that i watched on both screens.
I also got a five year guarantee which isn't too bad either.
I think thats a bit far flappo out of all the tvs thats out today the only ones that has that premium looking quality to me is b&0 and loewe i also think that the v1 looks similar too the older loewe connect tv the bv10 reminds me of the loewe reference 52"
This hasn't got to be a competition of whos trying too imitate who, they both have something that set them shelves apart from other brands.
Thanks , Markie.
Gaming is VERY important to me and a lot of people , so I think I'll pass on this tv.
Flappo i don't get what you mean are you trying too be sarcastic or what???
I turned too the darkside years ago and dabbled with other brands,I had a loewe r37 masterpiece which was a fantastic tv in looks and performance,and still in my eyes a fantastic design.Great that it was,I have always came back to b&o due to the ease of use etc.the loewe tvs are a pain to use,and you constantly changing and playing with picture settings,were as B&o tvs I just leave them as they are,and I prefer the picture processing of the beovisions.
butch1: I turned too the darkside years ago and dabbled with other brands,I had a loewe r37 masterpiece which was a fantastic tv in looks and performance,and still in my eyes a fantastic design.Great that it was,I have always came back to b&o due to the ease of use etc.the loewe tvs are a pain to use,and you constantly changing and playing with picture settings,were as B&o tvs I just leave them as they are,and I prefer the picture processing of the beovisions.
Hi butch1 i can agree with you in regards to leaving the settings alone and even too a degree about the picture processing of b&0 tvs they do produce some of the best picture quality that i have seen on a tv point blank period... and if i had the funds i would whole heartedly get a b&0 tv but the loewe does come a close second at least to my eyes anyway.
I also find it quite easy to get a very watchable picture from the loewe reduce the sharpness turn off the noise reduction completely and set the colour temperature to soft and set the screen format to pc mode when watching hd material and with those minor tweaks it is capable of producing an amazing picture.
No , mark , I'm agreeing with you.
No sarcasm intended I assure you !
The gaming lag on this tv is utterly crazy and puts me off totally -
360 - flappothegrate - i play call of duty - a LOT - and i'm sure this tv would pi$$ me off big time !
Butch
I have to agree Loewe Tvs look great and when they work their very good but to many glitches the hard drives are a nightmare and Loewe didn't have working EPGs as a brand for the best part of three years. The menus are over complicated the internet connections constantly drop signal all you have to do is check online to see the host of problems end users have.
The menu system with the new Connect ID is the same as pervious models the look with the fabric grill just isn't for me it looks awful in the flesh like a cheap 70's Tv all that said if they get the Connect ID right then spec wise its a well priced Tv. I have to say I actually prefer the look of the old connect Tv to the new Id version but that's just personal taste.
I never play games so gaming isn't an issue for me.
I had a loewe , for a short time.. the menu system and the remote control were like something approaching hieroglyphics . I gave up after a few days and sent the damn thing back ...
butch1: I turned too the darkside years ago ....
I turned too the darkside years ago ....
Right, years ago... A lot has changed since then. That includes B&O. Remember the BV7’s, with only one DVI and NOT HD-ready. Talking about darksides and that was only 4 years ago!
Flappo is not sarcastic, indeed. Playing a fast game with a TV that does a lot signal processing, will be unplayable. Try to play a shooting game online, you will loose. Every single time!
Luckily the manual of the V1 says it can be set in “game mode”, so there is minimum delay caused by signal processing. And better news, the picture mode can be selected to a source. So you won’t have to switch picture mode manually each time you watch a movie and switch to play a game. Most TV’s can’t do that.
But Flappo, I guess you have to test this for yourself I’m afraid.
doubleu The reason why i asked if flappo was being sarcastic was because of his reply after his loewe b&0 comment where he said he wasn't theres no issue.
I'm also well aware of the tvs signal processing getting in the way espeacially when gaming this is one of the major reasons why the v1 is a no go for me.
When i demoed it at the dealers he turned everything he could to off and even turned on the game mode and it was still sluggish and unresponsive other than that the tv as a whole is amazing.
What i like about the loewe is the fact that you can press the green button which switches between game mode on and off and can also be saved for different inputs also.
Maybe alot has changed since then,but loewe tvs are still terrible to operate,like I said performance was good,but using the remote was a joke,and no, nothing has changed over the years regarding loewes being easy to use and navigate.
Its like driving a fast powerful,good looking car with poor gearbox and steering.All the performance but a pain to drive.
The technology is there with loewe,but its too much off a pain to use.Where as b&o try to make it easy for the consumer,The beo 4 in my eyes is the best part of the B&o experience.I have tried the other remotes,but allways go back to the beo4,loewe tried it with the assist.
Flappo: No , mark , I'm agreeing with you. No sarcasm intended I assure you ! The gaming lag on this tv is utterly crazy and puts me off totally - 360 - flappothegrate - i play call of duty - a LOT - and i'm sure this tv would pi$ me off big time !
360 - flappothegrate - i play call of duty - a LOT - and i'm sure this tv would pi$ me off big time !
apologies for the confusion on my part flappo wires got crossed, it is great that alot of people don't play games but if they did then i think they would get the gist of what i'm saying you would feel it even with the game mode on and i'm telling you and you wouldn't like it.
Again I can't argue Butch Assist just doesn't work you end up not using it I've tried over the last couple of years to use it. They are very good Tvs when they work but the brand has major reliability issues.
Mark
You have to try and find out for yourself and hopefully Loewe has sorted many of the issues I've experienced and you will be utterly delighted with your new Tv.
Neill1975: Again I can't argue Butch Assist just doesn't work you end up not using it I've tried over the last couple of years to use it. They are very good Tvs when they work but the brand has major reliability issues. Mark You have to try and find out for yourself and hopefully Loewe has sorted many of the issues I've experienced and you will be utterly delighted with your new Tv.
Hi neill i have taken onboard what you have said and i hope i don't run into any problems when i receive mine, and from the extensive demos i have had with one i seem to know my way round it pretty well now.
butch1: Maybe alot has changed since then,but loewe tvs are still terrible to operate,like I said performance was good,but using the remote was a joke,and no, nothing has changed over the years regarding loewes being easy to use and navigate. Its like driving a fast powerful,good looking car with poor gearbox and steering.All the performance but a pain to drive. The technology is there with loewe,but its too much off a pain to use.Where as b&o try to make it easy for the consumer,The beo 4 in my eyes is the best part of the B&o experience.I have tried the other remotes,but allways go back to the beo4,loewe tried it with the assist.
You didn’t respond on my comment about the “older” BV7’s. Too bad...
But if you want to compare, did you ever install the internal DVB-HD - tuner on a B&O or make favorite program lists? And if there is a frequency change on some channels, and that happens here a lot lately, how fast can you correct these? My parents can’t do this, so they call me. (which is fine off course)
Zapping to a different channel. Well, here you have your slow gearbox.
It’s too bad you make this thread into a competetion which brand is easiest to operate, because there is sill a lot of room for improvement for B&O. The only part I agree with you is the beo4 experience.
Hey Guys,
Interesting thread! I've only owned one B&O tv, the BV6 but, I must say, it was a true delight in every way at the time. It really seemed to do it's absolute best to bring out the best of a non HD signal. Even VHS video from an old Panasonic video recorder looked clean on it.
I never had any issues with build in whatevers or channel tuning problems etc as ALL broadcasts were taken from a Grundig Sky box. I've always used satellite.
Expensive at the time but for me, perfect in every way - sound, build quality, menu system and picture performance was first class. I remember it costing me £3500 with the electric stand for a 22" screen. The V1 almost looks great value!
I actually love the look of the Loewe with the orange but I prefer the B&O name... Anyway, the BV11 should be interesting...
I didnt respond ,as I never mentioned anything about older connections dvi etc the problem is using the loewe remotes and operating systems.At the time I had my loewe spheros,I had a beovision aswell,and the beovision was alot easier too use.I see loewe tvs quite alot and they are still a pain to use now. then they were. when I had mine.
As for beovisions I have always used a sky box with stb controller,never had problems and a delight to use with the beo 4.
Its all well and good having fantastic picture,design,sound, loads of connections,hard drives built in etc but using a loewe remote to navigate and work it all,is a pain.
My 10 year old son has been using a beo 4 for years now and finds our link system easy to use.,were as the loewe you have to go into the menu to turn the motorised stand,the beo 4 list,stand turn.Also when I had my loewe had problems with hard drive dvi had problems with hdcp.I am not saying beovisions are perfect.but they are alot easier to use on a everyday basis.
Our litlle discision began when you started about you “turned to the darkside years ago”. Now you come up with a Speros with a DVI with DHCP problems. That must be one of the first generations of Loewe’s flat TV. I guess this was anno 2005? Off course you can come up with negative things about this TV at that time. But B&O wasn’t there yet. Not at all. The BV7-32 MK1/2?? For most people as good as obsolete now.
Every flat TV-brand in that year had some dark sides, especcially B&O. The main reason I kept my beloved BV3-32 in that period. Together with the Avant the best TV there was. Let’s be honest, looking back, the period 2005-2007 wasn’t the best time to trade in for a new (flat) Beovision. May be the BV9, which i couldn’t afford. Now we have the more affordable BV10 and V1, that put B&O back on the map. At least it did for me.
Well, enough about the dark years. I‘m very tempted to get a V1 now.
My point has got nothing to do about tvs back then or now.Operating a beovision from the 90,s to present day is still easy , and has hardly changed due to the onscreen menus and the beo 4.The r37 spheros I had was not a first generation,it was very advanced at the time with a good picture and sound,the problem was using it,it was a pain.
I was in a loewe gallerie the other week and the tvs are very stylish and still have good sound and picture,but when you pick up the remote and start operating them,they are a pain.The loewe assist remote is a joke.Thats one of the reasons iphnes are so popilar,they are a breeze to use.
Using a mx,avnt,bv7,bv9 etc are all easy to use due to the beo 4,I cant say the same about the loewe tvs.
What I meant by turning to the darkside, was I went to a competitor brand,just like, if I was on a bmw forum,I would say that, if I bought a merc.
I am not comparing connections,sound and picture quality from loewe then and now.I am comparing the way they operate.
Loewe articos,aconda,spheros,individual,connect are all cracking tvs ,if you dont want to stretch to a beovision,but are all a pain to use in my eyes.
As for the beoplay v1,I like the sound,picture,connectins etc,but it looks cheap to me.I like beovisions with a glass screen that goes all the way to the edge,like bv1,mx,avant,bv7,bv10,bv6,looks better
.I honestly think a beovision 3 looks classier than a v1,but cant argue on the performance of the v1.I looked at the tv for the bedroom in white,but I still love my beocenter 1 on the wall bracket,so elegant,I know its old school but the picture and sound is still fantastic,and the best part its easy to use.
I have had pioneer kuros aswell,which are fantastic,but like I have said in the past,I have came back to beovisions due to the integration,ease of use and I prefer the picture processing.When I have tried other tvs,you start to realise how good the beovisions are for day to day operation,and a big part is down to the beo 4 and operating system.
I always loved the bv6 design . Such a shame they didn't do a 32 or 40 inch version.
Today I had a look to B&O and Loewe. I could watch and listen to both the V1 and the ID in all sizes.
First I think that the picture quality is more or less the same for all the models. Speaking about the sound, the ID-32 is correct but far below the three others. The V1-32 is very close to the ID-40 with just a bit less bass but I found that the sound was more clear on it. The V1-40 has definitly more bass but not that much more. Finally I could listen to the V1-40 connected to a BeoLab 11 : wow... This could replace a hifi in a medium room I think.
From what I saw I didn't find the B&O remote control that much easier to operate as the seller had to go to many menus to demonstrate what I wanted. I think you just have to get use to the new remote.
Yes Flappo, it was amazing sounding for such a little TV. At the time, I looked at the newly introduced BV7 but I couldn't get used to the separate speaker and it was only available in the silver at the time (Oct 2005) so I decided on the BV6.
I really like the 32" BV1 and I've just found Benoit's comparison really interesting!
Sorry V1
I think it was 2005 I changed from a avant dvd to a bv5 hd,I still ahve both and the beovision 5 hd still has a fantastic picture,to my eyes much better and natural than the beovision 7s.
I LOVE both the Avant & BV5 both are true classic B&O's! Timeless! I feel that a B&O tv doesn't need replacing every few years - in a way, it's an investment that can last a lifetime!