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I have pretty much the same setup - works fine.
Beroli:B.t.w. Your conclussion about the file-size is not always right, since theMoment supports high resolution file-formats as well - and some lossless file formats are pretty big either.
@ Carolpa,
just wanted to have the last word . Kidding, you were right about the tags - but sadly the tags are not the reason, why my Device is being so annoying, when it comes to DLNA
@IA64,
If you own a large music-collection on a DLNA-Sevice (NAS, Software-Server...) and you have created DLNA-playlists too, you will face some terrible issues.
But (there is always a but) - if you just want to use Deezer, TuneIN and a smaller DLNA-collection (less twentythousand, no playlists on the DLNA-Server) or no DLNA at all, you will surely enjoy/love the BS-Moment very much (like Hiort, Carolpa, SandyB, Ionfred enjoying theirs). This is the focus group for the Device.
My DLNA-collection is very big, I want to use my own DLNA-playlists. This is recently not possible in a proper way, B&O knows that, since 2015 and they try to fix it since then. If you are in the focus-group, stay clear from the Beta-Test-Group. You may stuck on a broken device for a very long time with no support from B&O at all.
If you want to have a feeling for the brand, I recommend to read the thread "LifeStyle AV - Changes Part 1 and 2" from our esteemed host 9 LEE. It sums up almost our current feelings about Bang & Olufsen. I don't know, if I would start nowadays with Bang & Olufsen, again.
But since you placed the order and if you want to prepare your setup until the devices arrive, I recommend to read the whole thread "One month with the moment" from Hiort. You will find some good advises, regarding the setup, preparations (tagging, creating, playlists...) and DLNA-Servers too.
Have fun - and welcome to beoworld, Bang & Olufsen
Cheers Beroli
My configuration: BS-Moment on a gigabit network, steady Wifi (perfect signal), BV Avant, 5 speakers connected to BV, 2 essences MK 2, several speakers, TVs and some B&O fashion devices (BeoPlay). Tested with minimServer, Synology NAS, Twonky installed on a macmini (only purpose to serve the Moment), PLEX, DS Audio ...
Beroli:@ Carolpa, just wanted to have the last word . Kidding, you were right about the tags - but sadly the tags are not the reason, why my Device is being so annoying, when it comes to DLNA
And yes, even these work properly in the Moment............... could you publish a m3u text file over here. Just to compare with the ones I have put on my DLNA server.
BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
Carolpa: Beroli:@ Carolpa, just wanted to have the last word . Kidding, you were right about the tags - but sadly the tags are not the reason, why my Device is being so annoying, when it comes to DLNA Hi Beroli, you are making an assumption that I do not use playlist in DLNA. Actually I do! And yes, even these work properly in the Moment............... could you publish a m3u text file over here. Just to compare with the ones I have put on my DLNA server.
Hi Beroli, you are making an assumption that I do not use playlist in DLNA. Actually I do!
Hi Carolpa,
I am sorry for making this assumption. I red mostly posts from happy people about the Moment and mostly they own small DLNA-collections and no self-created playlists. I have created 68 playlists. The whole DLNA-content including the said playlists are visible and accessible after the first harvest - until the second and the third harvest kicks in. At this point the content vanishes on the BeoSound-Moment while still accessible on other devices than the BS-Moment. Even the X-App is showing the DLNA-content including the playlists. The harvesting is then on a permanent loop. It never stops - the database corrupts until I start over.
Reset Database, first harvest (perfect Device, perfect access, perfect DLNA-content), second harvest (vanishing playlists), third harvest (content vanishes), Reset Database .........
Your assumption, that there must be something wrong with my playlists, is not right either. There is no need to publish your files. I was able to use the identical DLNA-content with other Software-Versions (even 1.x) before the latest 3 Beta-Versions. As I understood, you are using minimServer - indeed a good decission. But this server does not support the expert-mode for large Collections, because of no possibilities to share a photo-folder. You see, you can not compare your setup to mine
for the record and for completeness, i also use playlists on my DLNA server without problem.
I use a Synology NAS for my locally stored FLAC files - i am not that technically minded, but my DLNA playlists have been easy to manage using the Synology UI, and the Moment has had no issues with them.
My local collection is not huge. 300 albums so roughly 3000 tracks. About 25 local DLNA playlists.
Beroli: Carolpa: Beroli:@ Carolpa, just wanted to have the last word . Kidding, you were right about the tags - but sadly the tags are not the reason, why my Device is being so annoying, when it comes to DLNA Hi Beroli, you are making an assumption that I do not use playlist in DLNA. Actually I do! And yes, even these work properly in the Moment............... could you publish a m3u text file over here. Just to compare with the ones I have put on my DLNA server. Hi Carolpa, I am sorry for making this assumption. I red mostly posts from happy people about the Moment and mostly they own small DLNA-collections and no self-created playlists. I have created 68 playlists. The whole DLNA-content including the said playlists are visible and accessible after the first harvest - until the second and the third harvest kicks in. At this point the content vanishes on the BeoSound-Moment while still accessible on other devices than the BS-Moment. Even the X-App is showing the DLNA-content including the playlists. The harvesting is then on a permanent loop. It never stops - the database corrupts until I start over. Reset Database, first harvest (perfect Device, perfect access, perfect DLNA-content), second harvest (vanishing playlists), third harvest (content vanishes), Reset Database ......... Your assumption, that there must be something wrong with my playlists, is not right either. There is no need to publish your files. I was able to use the identical DLNA-content with other Software-Versions (even 1.x) before the latest 3 Beta-Versions. As I understood, you are using minimServer - indeed a good decission. But this server does not support the expert-mode for large Collections, because of no possibilities to share a photo-folder. You see, you can not compare your setup to mine Cheers Beroli
The strength of this forum is to listen to each other, exchange experience, etc..... to find the reasons why someone has a problem whereas others do not! Sorry, but your answer shows an attitude!
regards
Beroli: @IA64, If you own a large music-collection on a DLNA-Sevice (NAS, Software-Server...) and you have created DLNA-playlists too, you will face some terrible issues. But (there is always a but) - if you just want to use Deezer, TuneIN and a smaller DLNA-collection (less twentythousand, no playlists on the DLNA-Server) or no DLNA at all, you will surely enjoy/love the BS-Moment very much (like Hiort, Carolpa, SandyB, Ionfred enjoying theirs). This is the focus group for the Device. My DLNA-collection is very big, I want to use my own DLNA-playlists. This is recently not possible in a proper way, B&O knows that, since 2015 and they try to fix it since then. If you are in the focus-group, stay clear from the Beta-Test-Group. You may stuck on a broken device for a very long time with no support from B&O at all. If you want to have a feeling for the brand, I recommend to read the thread "LifeStyle AV - Changes Part 1 and 2" from our esteemed host 9 LEE. It sums up almost our current feelings about Bang & Olufsen. I don't know, if I would start nowadays with Bang & Olufsen, again. But since you placed the order and if you want to prepare your setup until the devices arrive, I recommend to read the whole thread "One month with the moment" from Hiort. You will find some good advises, regarding the setup, preparations (tagging, creating, playlists...) and DLNA-Servers too. Have fun - and welcome to beoworld, Bang & Olufsen Cheers Beroli My configuration: BS-Moment on a gigabit network, steady Wifi (perfect signal), BV Avant, 5 speakers connected to BV, 2 essences MK 2, several speakers, TVs and some B&O fashion devices (BeoPlay). Tested with minimServer, Synology NAS, Twonky installed on a macmini (only purpose to serve the Moment), PLEX, DS Audio ...
Thank you for your detailed reply. Actually my library consists of around 18K FLAC / lossless files ( discographies )
My dealer refused to go connect the Moment through Wifi. He said it's not as stable as the LAN so I am preparing for an internal network using gigabit switch..
I'm planning to wall-mount the moment. Does anybody know the optimum height for this ? I find the stand a bit low since I'm 6' and my wife is 5'10.
Configuration ( Avant 55 + beosound moment + BL20s )
Sandyb: ... but my DLNA playlists have been easy to manage using the Synology UI, and the Moment has had no issues with them. My local collection is not huge. 300 albums so roughly 3000 tracks. About 25 local DLNA playlists.
... but my DLNA playlists have been easy to manage using the Synology UI, and the Moment has had no issues with them.
Hi Sandyb,
it really seems to be a issue with larger local collections. Carolpa had no issues with his 20 000. B&O is aware of these issues - but failis to provide a proper recommendation/ a decent manual or their specific test-setup. They just said they test with 40 000.
Could you please answer some questions of mine?
1. Which app do you use to create the playlists on the Synology? AudioStation?
2. How is the order of the playlist-tracks (artists, track01, track02... or scrambled) on the BS-Moment?
3. Is your Synology going into hibernation sometimes (volumes/device). How do you prevent any hibernation?
4. Is there a time lag until your content is accessible?
5. How is your Synology conected to your network?
6. Which device do you use?
7. Does is support Link Aggregation? Do you use Link Aggregation?
8. Have you installed the latest DSM (DSM 6.1.3-15152 Update 1)?
I am asking, because I had to use Twonky, minimServer, Synology to test the betas - but I faced the same troubles with all said Servers. I am to tired to change the setup again and use the device currently as a Deezer-only-Device. In previous DSM-versions the playlist were limited to a small amount of tracks and the were completely mixed-up in their order. Maybe it is now different and I could give it a try again
Beroli:Maybe it is now different and I could give it a try again
I'll do my best to answer
1. I use the Music Station app on the NAS (apologies its a QNAP not a Synology, was going mad for a moment)
2. i don't really have any issues with the ordering. They appear in the right order, though i think the track number of the parent album appears.
3.. I don't believe my NAS goes into hibernation - didn't do anything from the out of the box set up, so can't be sure.
4. NAS is connected to my router via ethernet cable.
5. I use a QNAP 251
Sorry, my Synology mistake may mean your questions are no longer relevant, my bad.
Apologies.
IA64: Thank you for your detailed reply. Actually my library consists of around 18K FLAC / lossless files ( discographies ) My dealer refused to go connect the Moment through Wifi. He said it's not as stable as the LAN so I am preparing for an internal network using gigabit switch.. I'm planning to wall-mount the moment. Does anybody know the optimum height for this ? I find the stand a bit low since I'm 6' and my wife is 5'10. Configuration ( Avant 55 + beosound moment + BL20s )
Your welcome
Regarding the ethernet-connection - your dealer is right. The Moment is much snappier, if you connect the device over ethernet. With flac-files it is almost mandatory.
Regarding the wall-mount. I had the wall-mount. It is easy to access while walking by. I would recommend that you take your wife's height as standard. You know WAF? Just let her point with her fingers to the wall while stand in front of the wall with her ellbows bent to 90 degrees. At this height the BS-Moment will be used from your wife too. I have sold the wall mount, and put it on a small B&O shelf, since I wanted to see the recent song while sitting on a couch.
@ mbolo
I don't.
@ SandyB
Never mind, that happens. Thank you for answering. You just triggered my nosiness, by stating the Synology. That's why the flood of questions. The QNAP-Server is the better choice, since you can install Twonky on it. Still, the Moment works best with Twonky.
Carolpa:Sorry Beroli, but you just made another assumption by saying I cannot compare your setup with mine? Do you know if I tested Twonky before? Do you know my experience with Twonky? Do you know I have experience with other DLNA servers? Do you know why I choose Minimserver? You simply do not know!The strength of this forum is to listen to each other, exchange experience, etc..... to find the reasons why someone has a problem whereas others do not! Sorry, but your answer shows an attitude!regards
Weebyx:I do not have any specific details unfortunately...
mbolo01: Weebyx: I do not have any specific details unfortunately... Hi Jacob - any news?
Weebyx: I do not have any specific details unfortunately...
I do not have any specific details unfortunately...
Hi Jacob - any news?
I wish I had any great news, but unfortunately not. I know they are getting closer, but not any timeline..
/Jacob
Beroli: it really seems to be a issue with larger local collections. Carolpa had no issues with his 20 000. B&O is aware of these issues - but failis to provide a proper recommendation/ a decent manual or their specific test-setup. They just said they test with 40 000. Cheers Beroli
It makes no different what size the libary has. I have a small collection +/-86 albums, +/- 1200 tracks, no playlists, same problem here...
I just add the cover arts to another folder, remove the old covers, add the covers etc....
First day it seems good, but the moment is restart harvesting, problems come back again, it's showing some deezer arts on different albums...
ID tags everything i have checked serveral times, all good
Regards,
Norwin
Beosound Halo, Beosound Core 2x, Beosound 1, Beosound M3 3x, Beolab 18, 19, 12-1, 4000, Beoplay H7, A1, Almando Multiplay Surround Switch
bs206:It makes no different what size the libary has. I have a small collection +/-86 albums, +/- 1200 tracks, no playlists, same problem here... I just add the cover arts to another folder, remove the old covers, add the covers etc.... First day it seems good, but the moment is restart harvesting, problems come back again, it's showing some deezer arts on different albums... ID tags everything i have checked serveral times, all good
Henrik: (...) I just mailed this to beocare and copied in my dealer: (...) Is it possible for you now to give an estimate of when you expect the problems with the Moment to be solved and an upgraded software to be available? (...) Well, I'll post it here if I get a time estimate. But my guess is they won't be willing to commit to a time table, which might be wise I suppose.
(...)
I just mailed this to beocare and copied in my dealer:
Just received a reply from Beocare:
Can anyone advise on where to put the folder with artist art? Can that be a folder under "MUSIC" on the DLNA / NAS?
Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen: Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom: M3 Homeoffice: M3, Beocom 2 Library: Beosound Emerge, Beocom 6000 Bedroom: M5, Essence remote Travel: Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay EQ, Beoplay Earset
Henrik:Crossing my fingers for this then...
mbolo01:It should be at the root of the Photo folder published by your DLNA server e.g Twonky
Hi,
May you elaborate your answer?
For the time being, I embedded the album art in the FLAC files, so do I need to put jpg files in a separate folder?
If yes:
- What name for the main folder?
- What name for the album art?
Thanks,
Yann.
Living Room BV Eclipse - BS Core - BL5 - BL8000 - LC2 x2 - Beo6
Lounge Beolink Passive - Cabasse Clipper - Beo4 Kitchen BL3500 - Beolink 1000
Bedroom BV9 - BL6000 (Thks Botty) - Beotime - LC2 - Beo5
Garden Lounge BC9000 - BG 6006 - BL4500 (Thks Botty) - Playmaker - Beolink 1000
Study BS1 - ML/NL Converter - BL2500 - Beo4 - Form 2 (Tks Botty) - Beoplay P2
YannChris:May you elaborate your answer?
Yann - As Hiort was talking about "Artist art" and as we are in the 2.x forum thread, I was referring to the new 2.2 Expert mode where you can choose to manage your own "Artist art" by leveraging a DLNA Photo service by placing images in a given container.
Album art are sourced in the music file as usual.
Sorry for the confusion
Same here but then with speakers hooked up to the Moment. Did the update. Same issues as I had before the update. I did a complete reset on my Moment hoping it would help. 18 and 19 speakers were again not recognized at time of scanning wireless speakers (during setup) so left me with 3 speakers named Other. Continued setup and finished everything. Left the moment for a while so the Jukebox switched off. Manually did a rescan of the wireless speakers. Recognized correctly now but I do not have any sound anymore coming from the speakers although the Moment seems to play music. It is an utter disaster.
Will leave it alone for the night. Maybe tomorrow I have sound back again. You never know...
System Software Version. 2.1.1.3728-2.2.12485.193548632
BV Harmony 65 / Eclipse 55 / BL 50 / 19 / 18 / BS 2 all brass
BV Horizon 48 / V1 40 / BL 17 / Beoplay S3 all black
V1 / BL 3 / BS Essence MKII / Beoplay A3 all white
BS Moment / BS 3000 / BS 3200 / BL 400 all silver
Headphones / bluetooth speakers / BLC NL-ML / BLGateway
I know…B&O virus has grown on me !
Norwin: System Software Version. 2.1.1.3728-2.2.12485.193548632 Regards, Norwin Beosound Moment, Beolab 18, 19, 12-1, Beoplay H7, A1
Norwin: Will leave it alone for the night. Maybe tomorrow I have sound back again. You never know...
I did the software update late yesterday evening, but had to wait until this morning to try it. Dismayed at first, as the problem persisted. No change at all. I mailed this to Beocare and got the following reply:
Of course I wanted to try, so I then I got the following instructions:
At first, after having done this, I was dismayed again. It seemed the problem had only shifted: My right Beolab 18 started working again, but at the cost of my 19 going silent... again...
But then I did a full factory reset. To be honest I only did it so I would be able to say that I had tried that as well. I didn't really have any hopes it would work. But this time the speakers were listed with their proper names during the initial setup after the factory reset, and they actually made sounds to identify the right/left speaker, like they should. They haven't done that during inital setup before, after I started having troubles.
To conclude a long story: All speakers are now working again, like they should, and the sound quality seems to be back as well. And I have been spending the afternoon catching up on three months of no music.
-h.
Hi everyone,
I'm using since yesterday the latest beta-software (2.1.1.3728-2.1.14259). What I want to know if this is a version which has got the 'expert-mode'?
Because I want to change some pictures of artists, but I can't find the explanation how I can change this artist-tiles.
Is there somebody who can tell me how I can change the artist tile?
Thank you
I have a very stupid question, how do I airplay to my moment. Had on my Itouch a podcast and thought I would listen to it while cooking. Normally press the airplay icon and the list comes up but the moment does not come up. I have the moment playing through speakers connect to my V1?
the bathroom, bedroom and office essences show up but not the moment.
any ideas?
badgersurf:I have a very stupid question, how do I airplay to my moment. Had on my Itouch a podcast and thought I would listen to it while cooking. Normally press the airplay icon and the list comes up but the moment does not come up. I have the moment playing through speakers connect to my V1? the bathroom, bedroom and office essences show up but not the moment. any ideas?
You can't AirPlay to a moment but you can use Bluetooth to play from your iOS device
You can Airplay to an Essence or other available product and link it to the Moment, works great!
Carolpa: bs206: It makes no different what size the libary has. I have a small collection +/-86 albums, +/- 1200 tracks, no playlists, same problem here... I just add the cover arts to another folder, remove the old covers, add the covers etc.... First day it seems good, but the moment is restart harvesting, problems come back again, it's showing some deezer arts on different albums... ID tags everything i have checked serveral times, all good Hello bs206, can't you place some albums in the cloud so I can add them to my server? See what's happening. Berolli this was my same idea with the playlists. There more than one way to make a m3u......
bs206: It makes no different what size the libary has. I have a small collection +/-86 albums, +/- 1200 tracks, no playlists, same problem here... I just add the cover arts to another folder, remove the old covers, add the covers etc.... First day it seems good, but the moment is restart harvesting, problems come back again, it's showing some deezer arts on different albums... ID tags everything i have checked serveral times, all good
Hello bs206, can't you place some albums in the cloud so I can add them to my server?
See what's happening.
Berolli this was my same idea with the playlists. There more than one way to make a m3u......
Where can i put the files?
Barry Santini: bs206: It makes no different what size the libary has. I have a small collection +/-86 albums, +/- 1200 tracks, no playlists, same problem here... I just add the cover arts to another folder, remove the old covers, add the covers etc.... First day it seems good, but the moment is restart harvesting, problems come back again, it's showing some deezer arts on different albums... ID tags everything i have checked serveral times, all good Try using Media Monkey to inspect Album art when there's a harvesting issue. I wonder if the Moment's DLNA software is trying to add lower res covers, creating a multiple cover issue
Try using Media Monkey to inspect Album art when there's a harvesting issue.
I wonder if the Moment's DLNA software is trying to add lower res covers, creating a multiple cover issue
Thanks! I have download it, and take a look at it