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Of course the 7000 is a Master Control Link system, hence you'll need to integrate three generations of equipment. There's lots of experience MCL/ML users in the forum, but not many with all three (MCL/ML/NL), so yes it will be interesting to read.
Here's my old MCL/ML system - two houses ago: (click to make it bigger!)
StKong:1611 converter with NL/ML BLC - would it be possjble?
Tried it with my BSys7000 and BSys4500 as sources in NL.
Setup: NL-system - NL/ML converter - T1611 - BSysXXXX
Note: I didn't test it with ML connected parallel to the T1611. The same for MCL connected to a BSys.
Carolpa:It does work!Tried it with my BSys7000 and BSys4500 as sources in NL.Setup: NL-system - NL/ML converter - T1611 - BSysXXXX Note: I didn't test it with ML connected parallel to the T1611. The same for MCL connected to a BSys.
NL.ML converter: A-Slave; therefor only one way tested. (In a short period I completely removed ML and switched to NL; I only have ML systems directly connected to NL/ML converters; no ML strains anymore)
sources: Radio, CD, ATape, Phono setup as sources in the NL/ML converter, They were accessible by remote and the Beomusic app. So I could f.e. start the BG7000 with the app and the remote. The functionality is what one expected; comparable to connecting a BS9000.
There was one issue with the connectivity of the T1611 and the NL/ML converter; minor issue though with power on/off of the complete system making the BSysXXXX inaccessible. Same type of issue if one connects the T1611 in a ML system. The T1611 has to be powered on as everything is connected and up and running.
Carolpa:NL.ML converter: A-Slave; therefor only one way tested. (In a short period I completely removed ML and switched to NL; I only have ML systems directly connected to NL/ML converters; no ML strains anymore)sources: Radio, CD, ATape, Phono setup as sources in the NL/ML converter, They were accessible by remote and the Beomusic app. So I could f.e. start the BG7000 with the app and the remote. The functionality is what one expected; comparable to connecting a BS9000.There was one issue with the connectivity of the T1611 and the NL/ML converter; minor issue though with power on/off of the complete system making the BSysXXXX inaccessible. Same type of issue if one connects the T1611 in a ML system. The T1611 has to be powered on as everything is connected and up and running.
StKong:Just one question: do I read you correctly that it sometimes takes a manual power-off/power-on of the 1611 converter? Or of the entire system
Carolpa:No, but if you have a power down for some reason, you have to know exactly the steps to follow otherwise the connection through the T1611 fails. You can't just simply power up.
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
I have read in a beointegration idea catalogue where they suggested setting up the NL/ML converter as v. Master. Any thoughts on what difference that makes compared to setting it up as a. slave?
Kromer:Thanks for sharing your experiences! I have read in a beointegration idea catalogue where they suggested setting up the NL/ML converter as v. Master. Any thoughts on what difference that makes compared to setting it up as a. slave?
The NL/ML converter for the BS9000 and for the BS3000 are both setup as V.Master - in my setup they are doing their job !
NL/ML converter setup as V.Master: (in principle) one can share video NL sources to ML and audio ML sources to NL. Setup as A.Slave: one can only share audio ML sources to NL.
Since the question is about Datalink, maybe this is not so much about, what you are able to hear from the MCL (via Converter) -> ML -> NL.
It is maybe more about, which functions (on the MCL-connected devices), you can control?
Can you e.g. skip forwards, pause etc on a Beogram (datalink connected to an old AudioMaster) from a NL/Multiroom device e.g. a BV11?
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There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen:Since the question is about Datalink, maybe this is not so much about, what you are able to hear from the MCL (via Converter) -> ML -> NL. It is maybe more about, which functions (on the MCL-connected devices), you can control ? Can you e.g. skip forwards, pause etc on a Beogram (datalink connected to an old AudioMaster) from a NL/Multiroom device e.g. a BV11?
StKong: Millemissen:Since the question is about Datalink, maybe this is not so much about, what you are able to hear from the MCL (via Converter) -> ML -> NL. It is maybe more about, which functions (on the MCL-connected devices), you can control ? Can you e.g. skip forwards, pause etc on a Beogram (datalink connected to an old AudioMaster) from a NL/Multiroom device e.g. a BV11? This is exactly what interests me.
This is exactly what interests me.
1. if you have 2 NL/ML converters with ML connected, both VMaster setup, you can start video sources on the ML side. In principle, you cannot start other ML audio sources connected on another NL/ML converter (maybe you can trick the system to link a video command to an audio source?). JOIN wouldn't work because it is another source within ML, so the BMXXXX will open the port to this source.
2. a MCL strain connected to a BSysXXXX (connected to a NL/ML converter) will work as a normal MCL system. So a Phono connected can be started within the MCL. I expect the video sources defined in the NL/ML converter can also be started as they are normal sources to the BMXXXX. Because of 1) you can't start audio sources of another NL/ML converter
3. what will happens if the NL/ML converters are set to AVMaster? The definition of limited sources should be very accurate! But still I expect conflicts. Maybe others have ideas, experiences with these settings.
Picture of test: NL/ML converter ML connected to a T1611 (in front of the BG7000). T1611 connected to a BM3500.
NL/ML converter: V.Master, ML source available to NL - Phono
Essence set to Beolink connect to BM3500 (= the name of the NL/ML converter). Phono can be started/stopped; skip forward, backwards.
@Carolpa
Great - thanks for testing.
Thank you for that, this is very usefull information.
Carolpa:Picture of test: NL/ML converter ML connected to a T1611 (in front of the BG7000). T1611 connected to a BM3500. NL/ML converter: V.Master, ML source available to NL - Phono Essence set to Beolink connect to BM3500 (= the name of the NL/ML converter). Phono can be started/stopped; skip forward, backwards.
I often "daydream" about B&O releasing a new converter consisting of a few Datalink inputs and ML/NL Output (maybe with IR eye as an option)It's only job should be to replace the Beomasters with something hidden.Or even implement a datalink or two into an Essence or Moment
Like a White Beogram 7000 on a wooden shelf to wirelessly accompany a white A9 on wooden legs in the livingroom.
Mogelmose:I often "daydream" about B&O releasing a new converter consisting of a few Datalink inputs and ML/NL Output (maybe with IR eye as an option) It's only job should be to replace the Beomasters with something hidden. Or even implement a datalink or two into an Essence or Moment Like a White Beogram 7000 on a wooden shelf to wirelessly accompany a white A9 on wooden legs in the livingroom.
StKong: I agree. It woukd be rather swell. But at least some of what you outline appears possible with the right combination of equipment.
I agree. It woukd be rather swell. But at least some of what you outline appears possible with the right combination of equipment.
With a Beomaster, a 1611 and a NL/ML converter it is possible :)
Mogelmose:With a Beomaster, a 1611 and a NL/ML converter it is possible :)
Those gold and yellow bl 4000 are an acquired taste though, but with a black cover they really resemble the modern brass tone editions. And look a lot more timeless imo.
You will love the BS7000 :-)
Kromer:Those gold and yellow bl 4000 are an acquired taste though, but with a black cover they really resemble the modern brass tone editions. And look a lot more timeless imo.You will love the BS7000 :-)
StKong: As for the speakers: The golden BL4000s were carefully selected to stand out. I think they work well today in that colour and it definitely sets them apart that they are not the usual black or silver. And the finish is a very clear golden metal; like freshly polished brass it changes very much with the light. Together with chrome, wood and a combination of modern and antique furniture (and coloured walls) they are bound to play a part and add some drama! 🎺 I will get a pair of blue and green ones too. Yep.
As for the speakers:
The golden BL4000s were carefully selected to stand out. I think they work well today in that colour and it definitely sets them apart that they are not the usual black or silver.
And the finish is a very clear golden metal; like freshly polished brass it changes very much with the light. Together with chrome, wood and a combination of modern and antique furniture (and coloured walls) they are bound to play a part and add some drama! 🎺
I will get a pair of blue and green ones too. Yep.
I'm sure you're right that they'll work in the right setting, but looking at them by themselves...
Not blue or green but colourfull http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/bang-olufsen-par-beolab-4000-hoejttalere-2/i4570758/
Anyway, back on topic.
I stopped by my dealer on friday an picked up an ml/ml converter and set to work with my BS6500. My dealer gave this. Beonuts, is he trying to tell me something?
And in connecting everything. I had to ad a wifi extender with an ethernet port to get the BLC on network link. It is not difficult to get everything connected and started up. One thing though, in my setup it works better if the 1611 (sw 1.3) is powered on at the same time as everything else.
This isn't a plug and play product as I'm used too and I'm beginning to understand why my dealer wasn't recommending this setup. Getting it up and running wasn't difficult, mine is set to v. master, Product controlled by apps as BLC with speakers, the ML sources renamed and everythings is available on multiroom The finetuning and deciding what I prefer, is a different matter though and for my part involves a lot of trial and error which is going to go on for a while.
I have decide (as I knew before I started) that there is no perfect solution. Here are some of my thoughts and findings.
- If I want It completely synched multiroom and acces to NL sources locally the speakers has to be connected to the BLC, which means sound adjustment can't be made from MCP or BL1000. I haven't figured out how to get sound from BLC to BS6500. Adding some sort of powerlink switch seems to make operation even more complicated.
- When playing any source from BS6500 on multiroom and then changing the source locally on BS6500 multiroom follows and displays automatically.
- App control of BS6500 gives you all the basics and works effortlessly. It's a fantastic feeling to operate a system from the late 80's on the same app that you use for brand new stuff.
- I didn't want the big IR eye so I got a 3rd party one from av-cables.dk and I haven't made it work with the beo4 yet, if at all possible.
- I have tried, under sources visible on ml, to assign tv to tuneIn from an essence. But haven't been able to use it.
- I will keep trying different solutions, but perhaps it's best suited for use in secondary rooms. I would love to keep my 6500 as my main system though.
Kromer: - I will keep trying different solutions, but perhaps it's best suited for use in secondary rooms. I would love to keep my 6500 as my main system though.
As mentioned it's just a thought. For main room I Think simple operation is key and I haven' acheived that yet. Too early for conclusions :-)
Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there
BeoMegaMan:Keep going with the integration of your old and new B&O. At last years CEDIA conference we demonstrated integration of a BeoMaster/BeoGram/ Beosound with a fully NL system driven by Amazon Alexa. Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there
Just a little update, as I've been experimenting a bit and learned a lot. And spend too much time, sometimes enjoying it and sometimes hating it Can't say that I completely understand it, but then again I'm more of an enthusiast than an expert...
I'm now almost satisfied with the setup.
The BLC is placed hidden in the cabinet under the BS6500, but i could be placed in a technical room just as well. It is set to Vmaster, product controlled by apps BLC w. speakers. ML sources named appropriately, my main nl source, tunein from an essence, is visible to ml as TV and mapped to IR as such.
I've left the speakers with the BS 6500 to keep tone control and use of mcp. It is set to opt. 2. The PL from BLC goes to tape2 of BS6500 so I can "join" without interfering with what is being played on the essence.
To sum it up.
On the plus side:
- I've kept full functionality of BS6500, plus added Tunein, with one touch of the TV button + channel change with any remote.
-Basic control of BS6500 through app, and of course NL distribution of the old formats.
-Echo free NL sources.
Minusses:
-echo when playing local sources on BS6500. I suppose that could be solved with a PL Switch.
-Aux on BS6500 has to be "activated" with TV command. Just using AUX button doesn't work. As TV starts Tunein on BS Essence this is not always convenient.
-I have to get a newer BL2000 for the kitchen as the "tape version" can only join not activate TV.
I'm sure more qualified people can work out a "cleaner" setup, but I'm quite happy with it.
Kromer:The PL from BLC goes to tape2 of BS6500
BS6500 - datalink (no PL because the speakers are connected to the BS6500) - T1611 -masterlink - NL/ML converter: CORRECT assumption?
If correct why the connection: BLC -PL - BS6500?
What do you mean with
Kromer: so I can "join" without interfering with what is being played on the essence.
in NL it is always possible to join from different sources without interfering with the other sources
Carolpa: Kromer:The PL from BLC goes to tape2 of BS6500 On your picture it shows you have connected the next chain: BS6500 - datalink (no PL because the speakers are connected to the BS6500) - T1611 -masterlink - NL/ML converter: CORRECT assumption? If correct why the connection: BLC -PL - BS6500?
That is correct. It is because of what I mention about AUX on BM6500. I only get sound through AUX/datalink if it is activated with TV command from BL1000. TV command, however, activates TuneIn and thereby stops Airplay or whatever is being played.
If AUX has been activated I can change the NL source on BLC and still get sound through AUX/datalink.
As I said, I'm sure someone can come up with a better solution, but I haven't been able to. For our current use this setup is very simple in daily operation.
Hello to everyone,
I am really interested in this topic since I have recently restored a beomaster 5000 along with the rest of the pizza boxes and I would love to distribute the sound around my house. I have some spare mcl/ml converters and a.aux converters. Getting an ml/nl converter would it make it work?
I am asking simply because the 5000 series is older than the ones you mentioned above.
Small update on my post:
I have already checked in the beotech section and beomaster 5000 ia a datalink compatible product, but does it work in real life?
Kromer:TV command, however, activates TuneIn and thereby stops Airplay or whatever is being played.
If the Essence is used for Airplay something, the same Essence can't be used at the same time as TuneIn source for your BS6500 (also not possible when one uses only NL products).
Could you explain your setup more specific? To my opinion the BLC - PL - BS6500 is strange and should be unnecessary.
Carolpa: this is your own setting in the BLC; you programmed the TV command to activate TuneIn on the Essence. If the Essence is used for Airplay something, the same Essence can't be used at the same time as TuneIn source for your BS6500 (also not possible when one uses only NL products). Could you explain your setup more specific? To my opinion the BLC - PL - BS6500 is strange and should be unnecessary.
this is your own setting in the BLC; you programmed the TV command to activate TuneIn on the Essence.
I know that it is because of my own settings but I haven't manager to start TuneIn with other commands from BL1000 and that is a main feature for me.
And I agree it seems unnecessary. Can you explain the difference between selecting AUX Line in with AUX command and TV command?
I can take a screenshot of the setup pages if you like. I'm more that willing to listen to suggestions :-)
Beomaster 6500 understand the following Video commands: TV - SAT(DTV) - V.TAPE(V.MEM) - CDV(DVD) - V.TAPE2(DVD2) it should be possible to set the BLC up so you can use one of these commands for Tunein instead.
I am using SAT(DTV) for nettadio on my BM7000
Søren
Kromer: I can take a screenshot of the setup pages if you like.
I can take a screenshot of the setup pages if you like.
I am sure that would be helpfull!