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Barry Santini:If they do a BS5, then that will scavange sales from the Beovisions.
While I am sure this is true,and probably why there is a rumor that the BeoSystem ends with "4". I would definately like the 4K "5" as I expect that the BeoSystem 5 would have a longer life than the TV. I'd rather spend about $2-3000 for a new TV every 5 years or so, and I am sure I would be happy with the sound of the BeoSystem 5 for the long run. It will be inevitable that I will buy a 4K TV in the near future, but I will need to figure out the best way to integrate the BeoSystem 4 into it. The Oppo 4K player has two HDMI outputs which would work fine, but what about another 4K source like a future Apple TV?
I hope the rumor is not true about no BeoSystem 5!
It is rather simple.
In the future (near future) B&O will use the video engine of the LG platform.
(That is the meaning of cooperating with LG).
Maybe they will/can add this or that to this engine, but it will not be an engine like in a BeoSystem as before.
The audio part/the audio engine will - I suppose - be further developed.
In what way is not clear - since we have no details, yet.
Whether this will be as an integrated part of' the tv or as something more standalone with integrated speakers or....
Well, we don't know - several options there I suppose!
Therefore there will be no BSys5 as a direct successor of the previous BeoSystems.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
BeoSystem 3 & 4 were there when then B&O had dedicated screens in their gamma... Unfortunately there are no separate screens... So I guess that a new BeoSystem won't come out...
Karel.
kuyttendaele: BeoSystem 3 & 4 were there when then B&O had dedicated screens in their gamma... Unfortunately there are no separate screens... So I guess that a new BeoSystem won't come out... Karel.
I was under the impression that the BeoSystems were also available to those that had projection TV's. Did B&O sell those at one time?
Mark-N:I was under the impression that the BeoSystems were also available to those that had projection TV's. Did B&O sell those at one time?
I don't think B&O ever sold B&O branded projectors, but I believe dealers recommended and installed non B&O projectors when installing full home theaters for customers -- powered by Beosystems.
I am saddened that the standalone Beosystems are going the way of the Dodo.
For large screen wall installations, home theaters, complete surround sound, and/or projectors, a separate BeoSystem is a must. I can't imagine running all of those cables through a wall! This is a very different need than those who want just a simple, integrated tv.
My wish would be that B&O would focus more on a BeoSystem that passed through the 4K without video processing other than adding the menu overlay. Video processing has never been one of B&O's strengths. Some of us in the US might remember the disaster of the AV7000. The AV7000 was the only way to integrate B&O speakers as surround sound to a TV at the time. However, the video was horribly over-processed and looked unnatural.
It would be nice to think they would consider a Beosystem 5, but it seems their new Italian CEO is focused on play and a younger less discerning audience than on high end quality and their "old" loyal customer base.
Given that the TV's (and the new Harmony is no exception) are based around LG displays, maybe B&O should abandon TV's (rumours are they may) and develop a stylish AV processor around the Beosound5/Beomaster5, call it Beosystem 5, and give it all the features we want such as high end audio via wifi or cable such as the CORE capacity (Deezer Flac etc), video processing hat embraces 4K and 8K, surround sound to both old wired speakers as well as new wireless speakers, etc etc.
It's a dream, but under current management I cannot see this happen.
In Australia they again changed distributor/agent without any warning and the result is most of the stores are shut down. I can see if they want to continue the Beoplay line of cheap products for the younger sound def population, but they have abandoned the basics of the company objective from the get go, Style and high end quality. A sad stage again in the B&O saga. Separate Beoplay from B&O and run them as two different business entities.
Someone please bring back all the things we miss, including availability of spare parts for the "old" quality speakers and Beosound systems. Recently they shifted spare parts to India and stopped carrying spares after 10 years, so you can guess what that results in.
I still run all my B&O products, i.e. speakers (1's, 2's, 8000. 6000, 5000, 4000, 5's, 2's etc) and Beosound 5, Beosund 5 Encore and my new CORE but fear that one day they will start to fail and I won't find parts. Anything besides that is sub par except maybe the Beolab 50's and 90's, but there is nothing (besides the CORE) to run them with high end quality. audio unless you start buying 3rd party processors.....
I have always been a B&O fun. I grew up in house where we had no other brand but B&O and I am still living in a house where there is no other brand. For the last 5 years I have been purchasing different products just to realize that there is no interest from B&O's part to keep me as a customer. Their speaker line and by speaker line I mean PROPER speaker line (17,18,19,20,50,90) covers many different usages, BUT the rest of the product line up is a JOKE!!! No proper audio system!!!!! B&O has no proper audio system and by proper audio system I mean a system not a black box hidden in cupboard! No proper A/V amp!!! If you want the A/V processing unit you need to buy a TV and in 7-10 years time that the TV you bought will be obsolete throw it to the bin, make new holes, new connections,etc etc and get a new one!!!! And they don't come cheap! The cheapest you can get it is around 4000 euros!!! The previous management decided to make beoplay and B&O the same brand. So you have a brand that produces the Beolab 90 and the P2!!!! The last years they "flooded" us with monophonic speakers and TVs which every three years they had to abandon!!!!
Anyway, I strongly believe that they should get their act together and focus on what loyal customers like myself and the rest of the people in this forum want. A proper audio system, and a proper TV. Audio system is easier as the technology and the way we listen and buy music doesn't change so fast. But a PROPER audio system not a system that if Deezer goes busted I will through away!
As far as the TV is concerned I strongly believe that they should just focus on what they are good at. Tweaking the sound and the image of a TV. So for me their is no other way at least for the present than an A/V system. An A/V processing unit that can handle all resolution/codecs/etc/etc. and offer the true experience of B&O. Great sound, great picture, integration with other products. In such a way they could simply let the rest of the TV manufacturers do the research work for them.
I'd be very interested in what people think a proper audio system actually is/ (in a world of streaming)
A unit of some sort which can (a) handle multi channel video surround formats and (b) handle a broad range of music streaming sources would be useful.
But they are well past getting involved in the video processing part of the chain, and why should they now?
So I'm not sure what a proper TV is? The Eclipse and Harmony are the type of thing you'll get - some on the forum are ok with these part LG / part B&O offerings. Some would prefer buying just the audio part, with flexibility to add there own choice of 3rd party screen. So even on this forum there is no consensus.
Anyway, I agree there are many existential questions. But the landscape has changed, so there is no going back to systems (be it audio or TV) in the way they used to be.
Tassos: I have always been a B&O fun. I grew up in house where we had no other brand but B&O and I am still living in a house where there is no other brand. For the last 5 years I have been purchasing different products just to realize that there is no interest from B&O's part to keep me as a customer. Their speaker line and by speaker line I mean PROPER speaker line (17,18,19,20,50,90) covers many different usages, BUT the rest of the product line up is a JOKE!!! No proper audio system!!!!! B&O has no proper audio system and by proper audio system I mean a system not a black box hidden in cupboard! No proper A/V amp!!! If you want the A/V processing unit you need to buy a TV and in 7-10 years time that the TV you bought will be obsolete throw it to the bin, make new holes, new connections,etc etc and get a new one!!!! And they don't come cheap! The cheapest you can get it is around 4000 euros!!! The previous management decided to make beoplay and B&O the same brand. So you have a brand that produces the Beolab 90 and the P2!!!! The last years they "flooded" us with monophonic speakers and TVs which every three years they had to abandon!!!! Anyway, I strongly believe that they should get their act together and focus on what loyal customers like myself and the rest of the people in this forum want. A proper audio system, and a proper TV. Audio system is easier as the technology and the way we listen and buy music doesn't change so fast. But a PROPER audio system not a system that if Deezer goes busted I will through away! As far as the TV is concerned I strongly believe that they should just focus on what they are good at. Tweaking the sound and the image of a TV. So for me their is no other way at least for the present than an A/V system. An A/V processing unit that can handle all resolution/codecs/etc/etc. and offer the true experience of B&O. Great sound, great picture, integration with other products. In such a way they could simply let the rest of the TV manufacturers do the research work for them.
It seems I must be mistaken but I thought I read somewhere that B&O is dropping all tv including the Eclipse in favour of LG TV? That is why there is a hope for a new all-integrated center channel?
BL8000, BL10, BL4000, BL2, BL3 (Sold), Beocentre 2 (Sold), Beosystem 3, LG C8
Thats pretty much correct yes.
We're moving past the era of B&O offering a range of TVs (BVs).
Although with the new boss, who knows if they decide to re-estabish some sort of range.
Either way, any BV's they offer will be part LG / 3rd party w.r.to panel / OS, and they'll just add the audio part.
chickenceo: It seems I must be mistaken but I thought I read somewhere that B&O is dropping all tv including the Eclipse in favour of LG TV? That is why there is a hope for a new all-integrated center channel?
@paullander
Did you already listen to the BV Harmony (what you call ‘77C9’)?
The price for the LG tv part is what you pay for an LG C9.
Would you think, that a ‘BeoSystem 5’ and a center speaker on par with your BL5’s and 3’s would cost.....and would you want to pay that price.
P.S. Not that I think that there will be a ‘BeoSystem 5’ (soon).
@ paulianderUnless Kristian Tear is employed to close Bang & Olufsen, at some point we will see an audio center with approx. the characteristics you describe. If not, B&O has no future.
I am using 3rd party AV pre-amp. The cabling is messy but manageable IMO. I have thought about giving up B&O for Focal..... but no one really can beat the look of B&O, and I am sure I will miss it once I switched. LOL I am still hoping for new Beolab Center.
pauliander:I can’t agree more with what you stated here. I really like the sound of my different Beolabs but connecting these to third party gear has always been a problem. Yes I still have a Beocenter 2 somewhere in the basement but that’s in the meanwhile useless. Now that the Beovisions have become plainly unattractive to me and a proper AV Receiver is still missing I have started to look towards different brands. First the idea was to try to find a proper 3rd party AV receiver to integrate with my beolabs (5 and 3). I was thinking about a classic surround receiver based system. But that seems to be a nightmare in terms of connections (cables), daily operations (location behind TV wall) and the WAF. Then I looked for a Wisa based system but this is also very problematic! For instance, there are Wisa speakers but there is no Wisa AV receiver for the sound processing? Beolab 5s are not directly compatible with the B&O Wisa receivers, there is no good Wisa center speaker, again new cables, etc. So now I am hoping just as so many others here on the forum that B&O will come up with a proper solution for a classic/Wisa based surround sound system. If it turns out during the next months that B&O will not develop this, I will sell all my B&O speakers (yes these are aging as well but still valuable) and move on to a new system that ticks all the boxes. More than happy to invest but not in an overly expensive 77C9 called BV.
‘That’s why I believe that sound needs to be separated from image’
Isn’t that what B&O does with the BV Harmony and the BS Stage?
Both use seperate (LG)tv’s.
Millemissen:‘ That’s why I believe that sound needs to be separated from image ’ Isn’t that what B&O does with the BV Harmony and the BS Stage? Both use seperate (LG)tv’s. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
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Of course I knew that - imo these costumers are simply asking too much....it won’t happen!
Don’t forget that B&O is a design driven company - what they ask for, is that B&O should merely be tech driven.
I guess most of those, who want ‘a BeoSystem 5 fo deal with on their own’, also mostly are those who want to re-use (keep on using) their current speaker setup.
How could B&O survive if that was the deal???
Mikipidia:Who says the harmony will for ever only be LG compliant?
I assume that it will be so.
After all they made a deal with LG.....the small B&O made a deal with the gigantic LG.
B&O is allowed to have a proprietary app running on the LG tv’s - which is absolutely nescessary for the integration as we see it in the Harmony and the Stage.
For that it is only fair, that B&O is limited to the LG tv’s - and this way generates sales of the tv’s that LG makes.
And after all - to go for LG as the partner was not a bad choice, I think.
Millemissen:Of course I knew that - imo these costumers are simply asking too much....it won’t happen! Don’t forget that B&O is a design driven company - what they ask for, is that B&O should merely be tech driven. I guess most of those, who want ‘a BeoSystem 5 fo deal with on their own’, also mostly are those who want to re-use (keep on using) their current speaker setup. How could B&O survive if that was the deal??? MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
@Sandyb
B&O can’t please everybody.
Can’t say whether the Harmony will grow on you, of course.
But most people need time to get used to the design of the B&O offerings - we have often seen things being scolded and after a while loved.
Looking forward to see the 65” in the flesh......might be more harmonious, not so dominating.
Sandyb: Agree that wanting to use 15 year old speakers for another 15 years is unrealistic. But there are many with speakers 5 years old who feel a little restricted.
Agree that wanting to use 15 year old speakers for another 15 years is unrealistic. But there are many with speakers 5 years old who feel a little restricted.
Nothing against using older speaker as external speakers for a multichannel setup....I do that myself.
However, I guess it is the BV speaker/the speaker part, that comes with the Eclipse/Harmony, that is the problem - someone like Peter Pan don’t want it.........he wants to use his good old BL7-4 as a center speaker (along with his other external speakers).
Most costumers (and certainly the newcomers) want to buy a complete unit, something that works ‘out of the box’, something with excellent sound without necsessarily having to invest in a complete setup.
The Eclipse and the Harmony show that B&O does an outstanding job with the 3.0 built-in speakers........these also give them the possibility of being creative designwise.
Offering a BeoSystem 5 would end up in a pragmatic flatscreen solution with some B&O speakers connected.........not what I expect B&O to do - I want them to be creative designwise, I want them to surprice me.
One can be sympathetic towards the design, but at the same time the form factor doesn't suit. That shouldn't be hard to understand.
As I said, it doesn't work well wall mounted, as it sticks out from the wall far too much, and when its open its far too tall (unless you really have a huge room with vaulted ceilings).
They made simpler rectangles in the recent past that could disappear somewhat (be that the 10/11/14, 12 or Avant)
Not everyone who bought those were buying something with moving parts, or something so huge.
Of course I don't expect to be served something I both love and which works form factor wise (for my situation). No one has a right to expect that.
As for most wanting a single integrated unit, difficult to generalise.
If they announced a BS5 centre speaker, I strongly expect the response (here or otherwise) would be "wow, this is great news", not "oh no, who wants this". So your assertion about what most customers want doesn't pass the smell test I'm afraid.
Millemissen: @Sandyb B&O can’t please everybody. Can’t say whether the Harmony will grow on you, of course. But most people need time to get used to the design of the B&O offerings - we have often seen things being scolded and after a while loved. Looking forward to see the 65” in the flesh......might be more harmonious, not so dominating. MM
A Beosound Stage with the sound processing engine and connectivity (Powerlink sockets, surround decoding capabilities etc) of an Eclipse...this would be a Beosystem 5 I would buy.
.....and which tv would you then use?
Millemissen: .....and which tv would you then use? MM
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pauliander:But don’t scare them away with the BV. That‘s not working, that’s a deal breaker.
In short....we simply don’t agree on that.
Mikipidia:The wallpaper one also doesn’t work without the massice soundbar hub down below and you can only mount that about max 90cm away from the screen. So unless you can hide that massive thing in a wall or something? Then a bs5 with a center speaker would make it awfully messy down there New: Beolab 50's, Beolab 18's, Beolab 17's, Beovision eclipse, Beosound 9000 mk3, Beosound 1 Bronze edition, Beoplay M3, Beoplay A1. Mikipedia on YouTube (finally ) https://www.youtube.com/c/Mikipedia Old: Beolab 1's, beolab 2, beovision 10-46, overture 2300, beolab 8000's, beolab 4000's, beovision avant 32" etc. etc.
Peter Pan:
Scary!
P.S. What is the BeoRemote One doing in that mix?