It was finally the Moment :)

Got my Moment today, and it is all setup and cool :)

But one question..

What populates the inner ring ? I have added my Deezer account, and can see my collection with albums.

I thought the inner ring would play music from "collection" ? 

The Inner ring is "not active", it is just dark grey and I cannot put the white circle anywhere but the middle and outer ring.

Does it need to learn the music I listen to from my collection before it becomes active ?

There is no DLNA server setup, so no local music. Only Deezer and TuneIn.

/Weebyx

wise Moment

 

Weebyx:

There is no DLNA server setup, so no local music

There's your answer.

the middle and outer ring should be the same without a local server.

 

 

Carolpa:

Weebyx:

There is no DLNA server setup, so no local music

There's your answer.

Really ??? Hmmm, the Moment i borrowed from my dealer, played a lot of music from the inner ring, without connection to any DLNA server ?

 

/Weebyx

Problem solved... after 2 hours there now is music in the inner ring :)

Just my impatience acting up... sorry :)

Already loves this thing...

/Weebyx

see the manual

 

 

 

removed: experience I couldn't and still can't explain (see quote next post)

Carolpa:

see the manual

it sounds impossible, but I think you played something from your dealer before. Similar experience after a repair. Remember the mash-up we dicussed before.

It works 100% as i should, the inner ring now is populated with my "collection" without any DLNA server. Only Deezer music.

/Weebyx

Weebyx:

with my "collection" without any DLNA server

you mean "your Deezer"  collection?

Carolpa:

Weebyx:

with my "collection" without any DLNA server

you mean "your Deezer"  collection?

Yes, the albums I have "hearted" from Deezer.

/Weebyx

i have also ordered a Moment - won't be here for a short while, but excited.

Had my CD collection ripped in FLAC, will live on a QNAP NAS...looking forward to reacquainting myself with my music..will post pictures once hooked up to the BV12-65/BS4/5.1 set up......

Glad to see the Moment is getting some more traction......

Would love to have an Essence remote in a different room (without essence unit) to control the Moment.....if only the Essence remote was wireless...

tick tock....

 

Can Deezer on Moment play CD quality streams?

No, Deezer Elite is exclusive to Sonos......slightly irritating, but didn't stop me in the end......

The Moment seems to be very cool now... :-)

Why would anyone want this machine then if it can't play CD quality streamed music. The difference would be immediately obvious between MP3 and CD quality on a BL20,5,90...

others may be better advocates for the Moment than myself, but i have just ordered one......yes the lack of Tidal Hifi / Deezer Elite streaming is a shame, but thats not a dealbreaker for everyone.....like many, i will have be able to play my CD collection (ripped in FLAC) on the Moment, plus Deer streaming, TuneIn Radio and my vinyl, which is connected to its Line In......not a bad outcome by any means, though the interface has its quirks.....

combining local collections and streamed content neatly has proved not as straightforward as one might think......look at the mess Apple's Music App / iTunes was initially (and to a degree still is) as it has folded its streaming service in.......

not saying that the Moment is a holy grail, far from it, but i'm looking forward to spending time with one.......and not being tethered to my i-device 24-7, a personal choice i accept.....

 

seethroughyou:

Why would anyone want this machine then if it can't play CD quality streamed music.

The difference would be immediately obvious between MP3 and CD quality on a BL20,5,90...

Hard to tell!

I did this test with my H6's plugged in.

http://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality

I had a hard time and had to listen to each block of samples 3-5 times to decide what to choose.....

....it was not a matter of 'immidiately obvious'.....for me.

N.B. I am not going to tell you my results ;-(

All I'll say is, that I would not even think about paying more for the Elite version of Deezer.

At the same price, yes - no problem there;-)

And the lack of support for 'Elite' on the BS Moment is nothing, that could keep me from buying 'this machine'.

But - have a listen for yourself, if you please.....to judge if it really is that 'obvious'....for you.

MM

 

The fact that you can't hear the difference between CD quality and less is neither here nor there for you and inconsequential to me for different reasons. You can't hear it so you'd be satisfied. I can hear the differences on a revealing pair of speakers so what you can or can't hear is of no relevance to me. If I was you, I would be content at that but I'm not you. You're going to tell me next that there's no point in digital as you can't hear the difference between TDK cassettes/vinyl in your Walkman and Deezer lossy downloads. The point is B&O spend all that money pushing the envelope of speaker technology for us to play music at less than CD quality in a streaming machine - that is a retrograde step. The bulk of music i listen to is at least the quality of CD at 16bit 44.1kHz and some classical labels have spent tens of thousands pounds using Emerging equipment, high quality mics and very delicate mastering skills to record and distribute studio masters. At the very least after the Beosound 5 of yesteryear, you'd also expect the next sound system to go beyond CD quality. Cue the rebuffs/comments focusing on what's the point of going beyond CD quality because I can't hear it and most can't...

Can't figure where my post disappeared so let's try again.

That you and many others can't hear a difference is neither here nor there and irrelevant. You will tell me next that we should consider lossy digital an excess because you can't tell between this and your TDK cassettes and vinyl. B&O spend millions of designing the most revealing speakers on the planet so they can show off lossy MP3 type music? I doubt that. I can hear the difference and so can many others (most of the time). Of course this discernment is dependent on the quality of the recording and mastering techniques so with the loudness war on a Justin Bieber album you'd be hard pushed to notice or care. Classical record labels spend tens of thousands dollars per album investing in the best microphones, Merging AtoDs and delicate mastering to bring out the very finest nuance. They then sell these tracks at minimum CD quality music and often in Studio Master format. The dynamic range is more than adequately met by 24bit 96khz and going higher is pointless and not evidence based as referenced against psychoacoustics, what's discernible in the human hearing apparatus and by audio testing in the lab. 16bit 44.1khz was set at the time as a reasonable standard approaching the limits of what was needed balanced against the DAC chips and recording technology of time. There are compelling arguments from blind testing and what can be extracted from the latest studio gear of going a bit further. Not convinced that it's defensible to say that we should in the 21st century settle for less than CD quality. That's stretching the credulity of your point somewhat. It's good to be defensive of B&O as we are invested in its success and see that it does a lot more good than bad and brings so much more than others but it is also ok to turn down the defensive dial at times a little when the evidence base mounts and points in the opposite direction. I maintain Moment Deezer or any future streamer should be operating at the very minimum at CD quality to bring out the best of the new era of B&O speakers.

no rebuffs.....but you ask whats the point of the system? for some, they dont need to listen to CD quality all the time, and many users employ a connected NAS so that they can if they want to, with a FLAC ripped CD collection........not a question of being able to hear the difference, and i wouldn't overstretch your analogy, many can but aren't insistent on it at all times.........and some users (potential to otherwise) would like Deezer Elite, i'm not going to pretend otherwise.....but as i say many are happily using it to listen to their pre-existing collection at CD quality, and willing to accept a modest (by implication) compromise.......not every system / solution is for everyone, but that doesn't render the Moment pointless in general......Linn and Merdian i think offer a fuller experience, though thats another step up in cost all told......

Maybe we can agree on this:

The BS Moment is not a 'machine' for you.

 

However, it might be for (almost) the rest of us!

 

P.S. Redbook standard files compressed to 320 kbps sounds pretty amazing on a set of BL90's....

.....depending on the quality of the recording used.

 

MM

how many people are actually using the BeoLab 90s, if thats your example of boundary pushing speaker tech? The overwhelming majority aren't, so the Moment, such that it is, works well enough i guess.....but yes, if you're pointing out that it isnt utterly compelling, you'll find many that agree with you......different from it being a pointless product though....and their target market isnt forever going to be the audiophile listener, to the extent that it ever was........and tastes evolve, even some B&O customers value convenience to a degree over strict audio fidelity......

said it better and more succinctly than i did......

Millemissen:

Maybe we can agree on this:

The BS Moment is not a 'machine' for you.

However, it might be for (almost) the rest of us!

P.S. Redbook standard files compressed to 320 kbps sounds pretty amazing on a set of BL90's....

.....depending on the quality of the recording used.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

Yes. Very clever. I see what you did there.

Perhaps we should agree that this retrograde product that delivers streamed music at a quality less than a 1980/90s Beosound is just right for you, however it might not be for (almost) the rest of us!

P.S. Redbook non compressed files sound 'pretty' more amazing than compressed 320kps files on a set of BL90s, BL5, BL20s...

calm down, there's other solutions out there in the market for strict audiophiles.....and retrograde is a bit strong.....

At present Deezer elite is limited to sonos. But I assume the moment could handle Elite quality streaming if the licensing issue was overcome. Perhaps B&O have plans to offer something "better" at some point but cannot say so yet.

But if you use the Deezer app on the ipad you can select the highest resolution (i'm thinking this is elite) and then airplay

guess so, but not the neatest, and if you chose to bluetooth from an iDevice to the Moment, then i dont think you're getting FLAC streamed due to hardware limitations......

Ah... fair enough Sandy :-). Its another product i spose, and it would be good to have that all in the moment. 

I was also looking up Naim last night and they make this lovely "Uniti" products with great connections.  I would love B&O to make something like this - even as either the next Moment or a complement for.  

People like my dad for example still want a CD player - finds anything else difficult.  They even make a CD ripper!  

Naim, Merdiian, Linn all do high end streaming solutions....but mostly pretty expensive.......BlueSound seem to be the best alternative.....thoguh in the end, comparisons are a bit redundant, everything has its pros/cons........Sonos can do it all i guess, but who wants to use their speakers....in the end, the issues with the Moment going back have largely been to do with it software working, as opposed to the 320 vs FLAC Deezer issue....

Sandyb:

calm down, there's other solutions out there in the market for strict audiophiles.....and retrograde is a bit strong.....

I did not want to turn this thread into a discussion about (lossy) compressed vs uncompressed file support - and even less into the weary discussion about standart/cd-speced vs socalled high resolutio.

That would be hiijacking the thread!

 

All I did was to react to the statement:

'Why would anyone want this machine then if it can't play CD quality streamed music.'

This is nonsense, since the BS Moment very well can stream uncompressed redbook/flac files or even 24/96 files (if that is what you want).

Just put these files on your computer/NAS, let a DLNA server organize these....and start to play.

That is a stream - an offline-steam, you could call it.

The only way to get an online stream of uncompressed/flac files would be to use the services of Tidal HiFi or Deezer Elite.

Both are - for different reasons - not available to the devices from B&O.

But don't blame B&O or the devices they make (including the Moment) for that.

And remember - this might change!

I surely see no reason, why B&O should not support this, if/when it will happen.

B&O will let us choose - I just stated my own choice.

 

There is absolutely no reason to 'go looking elsewhere' - the Moment is all, that you need.

Of cource, if you can't wait - you will have to look for solutions with support for HiFi or Elite or use a computer with Roon running or similar.

I guess the majority of the B&O costumers will appreciate the convenience of having a device like the BS Moment connected to their BeoLab speakers or to their B&O setup in general.

The BS Moment is not (!) a 'bad machine' and we don't have to wait for a 'better machine' to come from B&O.

Whether you like the interface with the MoodWheel and PatternPlay as the most prominent door to use your music or not, is another case.

Maybe that is worth another discussion!

MM

Oh I'm in complete agreement

I consider myself to be an audiophile compared to literally everyone I know, but of course not to many others.....but for many reasons I don't need to listen to at least CD quality all the time, so I am of a similar mind to you I suspect

Sandyb:

Oh I'm in complete agreement

I consider myself to be an audiophile compared to literally everyone I know, but of course not to many others.....but for many reasons I don't need to listen to at least CD quality all the time, so I am of a similar mind to you I suspect

I agree. Plus for me my system is for all the family, Spotify connect is more than enough for that purpose. I have owned linnDS and looked at naim recently....but I still own all B&O multi room set up. It's what works best for you (and other users).

Ps I do have a nas with flac and hi rez downloads, buts that just used by me