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I have two very nice beomasters. But I want to decide which one to keep.
The beomaster 6000 that I still need to recap, looks really nice. And the sound already surprised me.
The other one is a beomaster 7000 that is 10 years younger. I would expect a better sound, but haven't really test it yet. I also have the Beolink 7000 with it, that works really nice. But is just a gadget for me.
Most important is sound quality! I'm curious about experiences or opinions about these two machines. Which one would give the best sound after maintenance.
I will probably connect it to my M150 or maybe to a pair of M100's. So maybe combination is also a thing.
beomonitor: The beomaster 6000 that I still need to recap, looks really nice. And the sound already surprised me. The other one is a beomaster 7000 that is 10 years younger. I would expect a better sound,
The other one is a beomaster 7000 that is 10 years younger. I would expect a better sound,
Why?And if you want us to advice, you will have to define what is in your opinion "the best sound"?
Martin
Hello
Both amps play in the same power league: BM6000 75W continuous power output per Channel and BM7000 110W long term max. power output IEC (both values from system manuals). The harmonic distortion is also about in the same size. So both amps will be fine driving the speakers you have in mind. To really compare the sound quality you will have to listen to both amps with your own ears. I guess you will keep the BM6000 as it fits the mentioned speakers better in year of manufacture, style and size. But you will keep the BM7000 as well, perhaps in another room just because it was the best amp b&o had to offer in these years and it is also compatible with actual remotes, lets say the essence remote wheely.
I have both amps in my workroom, but BM6000 waits on maintenance. BM7000 is the daily runner there and is playing heavenly through P45 speakers (also uniphase).
Good luck and best regards
David
Hello everybody,
thank you already, this gives me some useful information. An important conclusion is that the bm6000 has more power to play the m100/150. Somewhere else I was reading bm7000 has 2x55watts continues power, so the bm 6000 wins that with 2x75watt.
Another advantage the bm6000 has, is the build in phonoamp. the bm7000 doesn't have that, because it was directly installed in the bg7000, which I don't have.
Niek
The power figures are a bit meaningless - they keep measuring them differently - the 6000 actually has more power in reality but not so you would really notice. The 7000 seems slightly more reliable though. The electronic architecture of the 6000 would appear to be the superior to my mind but I had a 7000 and found it excellent - the remote control capacity of the 7000 is much better and it will work with much modern equipment.
Peter
I'd agree with Peters comments, I have a BM6500 and a BM6000 - the BM6000 is the one I prefer as it is punchier and sounds so much better - to me, but it is older and the volume control is known to be problematic - that said it is my favourite out of all the B&O receivers I've owned - mine drive Beovox Pentas.
The Graphic Equaliser loop at the back can be used to connect it to a Beolink active - I did this as the volume control needs fixing on mine - The bones was that it gives you access to the link system and you can control volume with a Beo4 - if the output from Tape 2 is fed into a Beolink converter you can then use it as part of a link system and access the sources on the Beomaster - no remote in link rooms but you can hear what is playing on the Beomaster. a but messy and convulted but excellent results and I have hidden all the cables and technical bits away
Relating to my post above, I've been using a beosystem 7000 as audio master for ages, but I've always found the passive section of the 5500/6500/7000 series a bit "flat" in terms of sound, compared to the 80s and 70s Beomasters.
Besides, when I use the bigger Beovoxes (eg: RL140, M1xx, S70 and above) with Beomasters 5500/6500/7000 it seems to me that something in the sound is "missing", especially in the region of bass/mid bass. On the other hand, I find that the music coming from those speakers with older Beomasters like 3000/4000, 6000/8000 is like "more complete", "full" in all frequencies (sorry, maybe I cannot fully explain these perceptions with proper words).
mauro
Hi Beolit39 - I found the same thing - I guess it is personal taste, I discovered this when I listened to my BM1500 through BVS60's - it sounded so much better than, at the time a BS3000 and BL4000's. My BV Penta's and BM6000 sound much fuller and clearer than the BL8000/BL2/BL Active in the sitting room.
I guess it is down to personal taste, but for me the older equipment is just so much more musical - but then I like bass, clear mid and treble so not strictly how the mixing engineer wanted it to sound.
I agree with Mauro and Andrew. The beomaster 7000 doesn't satisfy me completely with my M150. It indeed feels like missing something. To be honest, I connected my cx100 to the BM7000, which in a way gave me more satisfaction.
Hopefully I can quickly start with recapping my bm6000. I will inform you about my experiences.
Hi Beomonitor - please do keep us posted as I am interested in re-capping mine, although it sounds great at the moment but at the same time will fix the volume control and hopefully have a look at how to fix missing segments in teh LED display - I don't know if they can be fixed but it would be good to have it fully operational.
Just to add that I tried an MCL 2 with the beolink passive connected to the Penta's and that sounded very good indeed - not as good as the 6000 but very close and better than the 6500. Maybe those amps were designed for the Active Penta's and smaller beovox speakers?
Yesterday finished recapping the beomaster 6000. Today connected the m150 to the bm6000 and it sounds great! I prefer it above the bm7000.
I find it hard to describe. But I agree with things said before. The bass feels much stronger, I have put it down to -1. also to protect my neighbors. mids are nice and dynamic. high frequency can easily be adjusted and sounds crispy without getting tired.
It was a real good first experience to recap and clean a beomaster. The post: "Beomaster 6000 Refurbish" helped me a lot.
The BM6000 is very similar in design to the 4400 and both are excellent. Probably my favourite B&O receiver sound - the 8000 is great but doesn't have the slight warmth of the 4400 and 6000 - probably more accurate! The 7000 is really much the same as a 5500 - a mid-range device, originally designed to replace the big Beocenters. However I think the Beosystem 7000 sounds better playing CDs than my Beocenter 2. Always regretted changing!
I do own and enjoy both the Beosystem 6000 1981 complete with SC60 stand in white + the Beosystem 6500 also complete in white. Both gone totally through by Dillen so at its best performance wise.
The Beovox are S80.2 and S120 mainly but M150 for the 6000 currently.
I have had the 2000 and 8000 Beomasters but the 6000 does sound very good and sweet. It was actually compared to the 8000 in a Danish review as being the better one than the 8000 which the called the big brother.
This is far from truth on the specs being totally different than what the 6000 is build on.
After some setups it came down to the 6500 and 6000. Sound wise I am very happy with both and its not a night and day difference.
I was lucky to notice in the fall of 2007 the 3 main units for the 6000 system and once Dillen rescued them along with the Beovox S80.2 and S120 + brought a white SC60 to me it was a magic special moment.
Once back in order I have enjoyed the 6000 system since. Its loud enough and rare in complete system these days.
The 6500 just came by chance one day looking for something else and yes I got it. The benefits is the more up to date 10 years later gives in Beosystems as a whole. Like design and remote options for Beolink 1000 or MCL/ML multi room Bevision and the choice of Beolab or Beovox speakers. The options for how many units and how to stack it is also beneficial.
The sound does improve by adjusting the bass and treble and not leaving them at default.
Friedmett,
I noticed the beovox s120 and m150 use exactly the same speaker units. Only the size and bassport is different. But do you notice any differences between these two speakers. in other words which one do you prefer? I have both, but still need to recap the s120.
I have had S120s and MS150s - completely different with much better and controlled bass on the MS150. However they are huge and in common with most of this range, I find the top end becomes shrill at high volumes - I prefer the slightly earlier models - S45.2 and M100 - which is why I kept those and got rid of the others!
I am in a quandry now - I have Beovox Penta's which are in need of refoaming, the room I have them in is quite small and I am wondering, given the massive credit that the S45.2s get, if I should just get a pair of them instead? I quite like bass but not overpowering, but also a clear midrange and I cannot play the speakers too loud because of neighbours - the penta's sounbd great wound up but just not practical - wondering what thoughts are?
If you lived a bit closer, I would lend you a pair - they sell for probably less than the refoaming costs of the Pentas. They will not go as loud and are bass light but what they have is accurate. I confess to not using mine as I have some BBC LS3/5A speakers with AB1 woofers (110mm driver!! Not that much bass but adds an octave to the speakers!) which are in my view even better! They reproduce the human voice better than any other speaker I know - no bass and limited top end though! Rotten power handling and stupidly expensive as well! And a complex and expensive crossover!