ARCHIVED FORUM -- March 2012 to February 2022READ ONLY FORUM
This is the second Archived Forum which was active between 1st March 2012 and 23rd February 2022
https://www.beoplay.com/landingpages/beolit17
New:
- alarm- skip tracks from your device via Beolit 17 (but just forward, no backward)- USB C- faster charging- tone touch (custom playlist via touch of the button)- last track playedtwo colors:- natural- stone grey
if "stone grey" is the same color as on the Beoplay A1 it'll look great (only the color, the A1 still looks just ugly and stays unergonomical)
BV Harmony 65 / Eclipse 55 / BL 50 / 19 / 18 / BS 2 all brass
BV Horizon 48 / V1 40 / BL 17 / Beoplay S3 all black
V1 / BL 3 / BS Essence MKII / Beoplay A3 all white
BS Moment / BS 3000 / BS 3200 / BL 400 all silver
Headphones / bluetooth speakers / BLC NL-ML / BLGateway
I know…B&O virus has grown on me !
TWG: if "stone grey" is the same color as on the Beoplay A1 it'll look great (only the color, the A1 still looks just ugly and stays unergonomical)
I'm the other way around. I love the design of the A1, but think the BeoLit 12/15/17 looks like something designed in about 1993!
Well, those who think they need this 'OneTouch' function, will buy it.
Personally I don't understand this upgrade ;-(
Will be interesting to hear from someone, who has compared the 15 and the 17.
Maybe that will justify the change?
John o' Manchester, where are you?
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
I meant to write: '...compared the 15 and the 17 soundwise',
I wonder if the "more powerful sound" is the heavier bass that seems to have crept into product offerings of late.
Ban boring signatures!
Millemissen:Well, those who think they need this 'OneTouch' function, will buy it. Personally I don't understand this upgrade ;-( Will be interesting to hear from someone, who has compared the 15 and the 17. Maybe that will justify the change? John o' Manchester, where are you? MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Don't understand this upgrade either. Hope John from Manchester will do a review soon.
Don't like that when Beoplay release a product that it comes in so few colours. Black and grey only? Guess I don't need to upgrade my Beolit 15 in pink to the 17.
//EA
Beo in white is my thing
Currently own: BeoVision Avant 55", BeoLab 5, BeoLab 18, BeoRemoteOne, BeoPlay V1-32", BeoRemote4, BeoSound 3200, BeoGram 6500 (MMC-1), BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, LC2, BeoVision MX7000 and BeoLab 3
moxxey:I'm the other way around. I love the design of the A1, but think the BeoLit 12/15/17 looks like something designed in about 1993!
Millemissen: Personally I don't understand this upgrade ;-(
Well, it's also had a price increase too - from £399 to £449 in the UK.
moxxey: Well, it's also had a price increase too - from £399 to £449 in the UK.
The EU and DK prices are exact the same for the 17 as for the 15 - in the list on the B&O Play website.
I already have one BeoLit 15 and was considering getting a second to pair for stereo. It looks like one can't pair a BeoLit 17 with a BeoLit 15 for stereo. Therefore, maybe I'll pick up a second BeoLit 15.
Oddly, in the US, the BeoLit 15 is listed as $100 MORE than the BeoLit 17.
Should this not be classified as an upgraded BeoLit 15 or is each version/mark going to have a different number mattering on the year and if so what happens in 3017 ?
we tend to forget there is more to design than designing.
Could agree more that lack of multi room is a mistake. Having something portable to take poolside or on the patio is key. The BS1 is ergonomically not the same.
It is still just bluetooth but the change is mainly that it now uses USB-C cable and an external adaptor instead of it being built in. The battery capacity and speaker capacity seems to still be the same, so it is just a little lighter due to no AC/DC converter fitted inside the casing. (And of course the touch buttons is a change too). Regarding multiroom this would have increased the price since there is no wifi radio in the device. It just uses bluetooth. I also would have loved that but considering its usage I understand them. I rather look forward to find a nice device that can act as a bluetooth host and transmit to several bluetooth speakers independently (no matter brand or type). Such a device would be really good if you want to use several portable speakers in or out of your home. This update could be considered the same kind of upgrade that Beoplay A2 got in its "active" model. I think the USB-C choice is a good one, and now you can charge the device with your Macbook cable or any other USB-C adaptor (that supplies sufficient amount of wattage). The BL17 charger is a 45W charger so it will charge a MacBook quickly (It comes with a 29W charger) but it might not charge a MacBook Pro 13 or 15 that well since then need 67/87W for optimal charging speed. It should work in hibernation though.
Beolab 50, Beolab 8000 x 2, Beolab 4000 x 2, BeoSound Core, BeoSound 9000, BeoSound Century, BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, BeoPlay P2, BeoPlay H9 3rd Gen, BeoPlay H6, EarSet 3i, BeoVision Eclipse Gen 2 55", BeoPlay V1-40, BeoCom 6000 and so much else :)
Michael: Regarding multiroom this would have increased the price since there is no wifi radio in the device. It just uses bluetooth. I also would have loved that but considering its usage I understand them. I rather look forward to find a nice device that can act as a bluetooth host and transmit to several bluetooth speakers independently (no matter brand or type). Such a device would be really good if you want to use several portable speakers in or out of your home.
Regarding multiroom this would have increased the price since there is no wifi radio in the device. It just uses bluetooth. I also would have loved that but considering its usage I understand them. I rather look forward to find a nice device that can act as a bluetooth host and transmit to several bluetooth speakers independently (no matter brand or type). Such a device would be really good if you want to use several portable speakers in or out of your home.
If this works for the Audioengine bluetooth speakers, why shouldn't it work with the B&O Play speakers?
http://audioengineusa.com/blog/the-easy-way-to-get-multi-room-sound-with-bluetooth
Still no option to turn on the speaker from a remote or from phone via the app?
This is only think that it annoying on beolit 15 that I need to push the the button on the speaker. I want to be in the bed on a lazy Sunday and music start not to get off the bed and push the button and etc...
I rather thought that the hidden cord storage of the BeoLit 15 was clever and useful.
I am new to the world of Beolit and new to this site so it is great to see what others think.
I just purchased two Beolit 15 speakers a month ago. I purchased pink and blue. Love the colors and love the sound.
I can't help but wonder if the sound quality will be significantly improved on the 17.
AGLADHEART: I can't help but wonder if the sound quality will be significantly improved on the 17.
Absolutely not. It's the same design. The speakers/internals won't have changed, certainly not "significantly". How would that be possible?
I thought that, universally, one area most people agreed on was that with the 15 the sound quality was excellent?
moxxey:
The cable compartment is removed to allow for an improved sound. So there is some difference sound wise between Beolit 15 and 17.
But, like you, I doubt there is any significant difference.
Beovision Eclipse gen2 (GX) w/ floorstand, Beolab 14.2, 4 speaker Shape and ATV4/Chromecast.
Beoplay A9mk4 GVA, Beosound 1 GVA, H2, H3, H8, E6, Beoplay EQ
beojeff:I rather thought that the hidden cord storage of the BeoLit 15 was clever and useful.
Mikael:moxxey: The cable compartment is removed to allow for an improved sound. So there is some difference sound wise between Beolit 15 and 17. But, like you, I doubt there is any significant difference. Beoplay V1 with Beo4, Beolab 14.4 and ATV4/Chromecast. Beoplay A2, A9, H2, H3, H8.
The main "improvement" in sound I could imagine coming from removing the power charger and cable hole would be more bass, but the 15 can be a bit bass heavy as it is.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Michael: Mikael: moxxey: The cable compartment is removed to allow for an improved sound. So there is some difference sound wise between Beolit 15 and 17. But, like you, I doubt there is any significant difference. Beoplay V1 with Beo4, Beolab 14.4 and ATV4/Chromecast. Beoplay A2, A9, H2, H3, H8. I think there is zero sound improvement because of that but it was rather removed since you have to use a bigger external adapter now - a flaw in that kind of product I'd say - meaning the bl12 design that bl15 has was more optimal for a portable speaker - since you wouldn't forget the clumps adapter - it's built in! :)
Mikael: moxxey: The cable compartment is removed to allow for an improved sound. So there is some difference sound wise between Beolit 15 and 17. But, like you, I doubt there is any significant difference. Beoplay V1 with Beo4, Beolab 14.4 and ATV4/Chromecast. Beoplay A2, A9, H2, H3, H8.
Beoplay V1 with Beo4, Beolab 14.4 and ATV4/Chromecast.
Beoplay A2, A9, H2, H3, H8.
I think there is zero sound improvement because of that but it was rather removed since you have to use a bigger external adapter now - a flaw in that kind of product I'd say - meaning the bl12 design that bl15 has was more optimal for a portable speaker - since you wouldn't forget the clumps adapter - it's built in! :)
It's more likely the cable compartment was an appealing thing to delete because of its fragile push-push latch. This broke on our Beolit 12 and we got a full refund as it couldn't be fixed. The 15 had just been launched so there were no replacement Beolit 12s to give us.
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This makes the third version of the initial concept in what, a bit over 4 years? It can't be efficient or low cost to have to try three times to hit the sweet spot on product development (if this is even the right incarnation of the concept). This reeks of throwing things against the wall to see if they stick way before they are either properly designed and/or you've figured the market out. A3, released and discontinued, A1 and A2 and such, seems to me like B&O rushed a lot of product to market before it was ready and well thought out, probably to make investors and potential buyers think they had a full product portfolio and are paying for it with seemingly endless tweaks and discontinuation of products. They made the BS9000 for what, 18 years, and the BL8000 for about 25 years, but now they churn product like crazy. Hard to make much cash when you constantly are involved in redesigning, remarketing, and redoing your production processes for new products. After you design it, you have to setup the assembly line and procure parts suppliers and write your production and test procedures (well, maybe no test procedures given how many products are showing up with severe problems particularly dealing with wireless performance in the real world).
The A3 was and still is a good product but was dependent on Apple . This is much more than the CD players based on standardised media. To my knowledge the Beolit 17 still cannot wake you in the morning with radio from the web? More important to me is the opportunities taken to costsave from 12 to 15 with the speaker grille and the leather strap. I'm just reassured to see the quality of the Beoplay H4 headphones I purchased today back to premium levels.
I have begun to wonder how different these products reallt are internally - are they just taking someone else's internals and wrapping them in a box to get them on the shelves as quickly as possible?
What is/was the S3? A small mains powered bluetooth speaker that had barely landed before it was heavily discounted from just about everyone, plays bluetooth and has a line in that is pretty much useless to anyone who knows that beats 'phones aren't hifi!
Been/gone next please!.......And this is the way forward???
The A3 became obsolete as soon as the Apple connector changed its size. This was beyond the control of B&O.
Well, changing the design to incorporate the new connector certainly was an engineering feat on a par with Apollo. In all seriousness, the only possible reason for not making a change so that you could swap in either connector had to be it just wasn't selling, as originally it was too expensive IMO. At the 100 dollars I paid for it it was a deal, but not at the original price.
I think Puncher has it right, there have to be a lot of shared internals I would think. Unfortunately, the internals, like wifi and such, were crap to begin with so the problems/issues were endemic across the lines.
Jeff: Well, changing the design to incorporate the new connector certainly was an engineering feat on a par with Apollo. In all seriousness, the only possible reason for not making a change so that you could swap in either connector had to be it just wasn't selling, as originally it was too expensive IMO. At the 100 dollars I paid for it it was a deal, but not at the original price. I think Puncher has it right, there have to be a lot of shared internals I would think. Unfortunately, the internals, like wifi and such, were crap to begin with so the problems/issues were endemic across the lines.
Thanks Jeff - I think you & I could be buddies in another universe!
Simonbeo: The A3 became obsolete as soon as the Apple connector changed its size. This was beyond the control of B&O.
Simple really - Never ever rely on a dictator to earn a living! I said it at the time but apparently Apple were to be B&O's saviour!
On the other side of the coin I think the Chromecast integration is the way forward. I love my Google Home and as more phones get Google Assistant and you can set up Chromecast speaker groups etc you can throw your music stream anywhere/everywhere without any burden on your phone/device unlike Airplay etc.
And it means B&O aren't writing the software!