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Hello, I hope someone can help me with my way forward.
My old Avant TV of course has no HDMI and is out of date although still a great TV. (it is the one with the VHS tape Drive)
Connected by Powerlink cables are 4 speakers and
connected by Masterlink are , 2 Speakers and one BOLab 3500
connected by Scart with one IR controller cable are
- my skybox satellite box
- two B&O Tv's also with Masterlink i suppose
How can i replace my Avant without spending a fortune on a new B&O TV ?
thanks very much
kzinvogon: How can i replace my Avant without spending a fortune on a new B&O TV ?
That question is very easy to answer:
Buy one of the last MasterLink-BV's, that B&O made, on the secondhand market- e.g. a BV7-40MK5, a BV10 or a BV8-40.
And welcome to Beoworld
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
gerard:Is the BV11 not masterlink?
Has anyone tried this device https://almando.com/media/documents/almando-multiplay-surround-decoder_en.pdf
If you mean a BeoVision 11 , costing me more than €12,000 - no way. Trouble is even if you buy such a TV it will be out of date in two years at the rate of change in TV tech
They don't cost 12.000€ second hand... If you look around you'll find very reasonable (to B&O's standards) priced BV11's!
Karel.
kzinvogon: If you mean a BeoVision 11 , costing me more than €12,000 - no way. Trouble is even if you buy such a TV it will be out of date in two years at the rate of change in TV tech
Then you will have to say goodbye to MasterLink (that includes your main tv setup).
And goodbye to using a B&O remote for the tv and for the connected devices (no PUC!) ---- unless you want to give Arduino or Lintronic etc or maybe (?) a Beo5/6 a go.
For connecting your speakers in a multichannel setup, you'd need some kind of receiver/prepro with line-outputs - or the Almando device (did you see the price?) and a good center speaker in addition.
IMO you will never get the smooth and easy operation and the integration of things without a B&O-tv as the hub.
However, if you are willing to compromise - e.g. to use the existing ML setup without the tv - and you want to experiment a bit with 3rd party receivers and code converters, you might get a workable solution.
There is a reason for the price of a Bang & Olufsen-tv!
P.S. If you (as Karel suggests) would go for a BV11, you would need a NL/ML Converter to connect to your existing MasterLink setup (since the BV11 is NL).
You can buy a second-hand BeoSystem 3 and connect and control most 3rd party TVs. The BeoSystem 3 is very reasonably priced now. If you want 4K, you might have to lose the menu-overlay for any 4K video. Still, it's a sensible solution.
Sure, but in that case the 'new non-B&O tv' will act as a display, a screen for the BSys3 (and the connected sources).
You won't be able to get sound from what you can see directly from the 'new' tv onto your speakers connected to the system.
Millemissen: You won't be able to get sound from what you can see directly from the 'new' tv onto your speakers connected to the system. MM
Sorry, but this is not true!
I used a Beosystem 3 with a Sony TV with digital audio out.Using a toslink to coax converter we could use the TV apps with our Beolab setup.
Ralf
Living Room: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-2 (Center), Beolab 9 (Fronts), Beolab 8000 (Rears), no Subwoofer. Screen: Sony KD-85XH9096Dining Room: Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 4000 on stands, fed by Amazon Echo Show 8Home Cinema: Beosystem 4, Beolab 7-4 (Center), Beolab 1 (Fronts), Beolab 4000 (Rears). Projector: Sony VPL-HW55Home Office: Beosystem 3, Beolab 7-4, Beolab 5000, Screen: Sony KD-55XH9005 on Beovision 7-40 stand, ML to Beosound 9000 MK3 and Beosound 5/Beomaster 5 (1 TB SSD version)Bedroom: Sony KD-65XH9077, Beosound Essence MK II with Beolab 6002 and Beolab 11 (all white, wall-mounted)
In storage: Beolab 5000/Beomaster 5000 (1960s).
Agree with MM in that you will not get the integration and there is no easy solution - I went through a lot of pain swapping out my Avant for a BV8 - the sound for audio sources wasn't as good with the connected speakers as my BV8 doesnt have the dolby card and of course you can't distribute HDMI to the connected TV's without a lot of messing around (HDMI>composite converter) Most likely the best bet would be a second hand BV7 - given how long a Beovision lasts this maybe the best solution.
kallasr: Millemissen: You won't be able to get sound from what you can see directly from the 'new' tv onto your speakers connected to the system. MM Sorry, but this is not true! I used a Beosystem 3 with a Sony TV with digital audio out.Using a toslink to coax converter we could use the TV apps with our Beolab setup. Ralf
This was already discussed in another thread recently.
Sure you can feed a BSys3 with a digital sound signal from a non-B&O tv.
But how will you control the non-B&O tv (at the same time)?
All (video) sources will have to be in or connected to the tv.
In case you will need external devices (BRP, ATV etc) no PUC-controlling will be available.
P.S. You write: 'I used a...' - what is the reason for the past?
What are you using at the present - if the above was the solution, that you would advocate?
A BeoSystem 3 can easily serve most needs. What sources would we need?
1. A STB with built-in DVR
2. An Apple TV and/or Roku for streaming and apps
3. A Blu-Ray player. The most recent Oppo has 2 HDMI outputs: one for video to a 4K TV and the other for sound to the BeoSystem 3. The Oppo also has an extra HDMI input if there was a need for a second 4K source.
4. Possibility a gaming console -- which would have its own controller.
The BeoSystem 3 has a sufficient PUC to control most devices that we would connect.
For a clean installation, I prefer having everything connected to a separate BeoSystem and having just one or two HDMI cables and an IR blaster running to the wall-mounted TV.
In a situation with 4 video sources and a 7.2 speaker setup, these are the cable we would be looking at going to a B&O TV:
At least 6 Powerlink speakers (assuming some speakers get daisy chained) for the speakers.
4 HDMI cables for the 4 sources.
4 IR blaseters for the 4 sources.
1 power cable.
1 ML or NL cable.
That's 16 cables connected to a BeoVision and possibly running inside a wall! Having a separate BeoSystem hidden away in a cabinet with the 4 video sources tremendously helps with cable management.
Not really much need for a new 4K tv/display in that case - unless the main source is a UHD-Bluray player.
Millemissen: kallasr: Millemissen: You won't be able to get sound from what you can see directly from the 'new' tv onto your speakers connected to the system. MM Sorry, but this is not true! I used a Beosystem 3 with a Sony TV with digital audio out.Using a toslink to coax converter we could use the TV apps with our Beolab setup. Ralf This was already discussed in another thread recently. Sure you can feed a BSys3 with a digital sound signal from a non-B&O tv. But how will you control the non-B&O tv (at the same time)? All (video) sources will have to be in or connected to the tv. In case you will need external devices (BRP, ATV etc) no PUC-controlling will be available. P.S. You write: 'I used a...' - what is the reason for the past? What are you using at the present - if the above was the solution, that you would advocate? MM
All (external) video sources attached to Beosystem 3.
TV only for its apps - if needed (got a Amazon FireTV later so no further need for the TV).
Got a Beosystem 4* now and moved the Beosystem 3 to the kids' room...
I say the Beosystem 3 is a great solution (and if paired with Lintronic it is even better - using this for not supported devices and to turn the display on/off ). I have no need for Dolby Atmos etc.
* that is nice to have, but in the end the Beosystem 3 was fine enough. I just like to upgrade and experiment ;-))
And how did you control the non-B&O tv - you had to use a Lintronic for that (which I already mentioned as a workaround earlier)
And how about the sound from the apps on the tv - you had to invest in yet another external device,that you had to connect to the BSys3 - letting go of 4K capacity.
And an up-to-date tv plus the BSys3 plus a reasonable active center speaker/a BL - that won't come cheap either.
(We did not hear anything of the budget of the OP for this, other than that a new BV11 would be too expensive).
As I wrote, of course there are solutions....if you are willing to compromise in one way or another.
This is a classical discussion.
I have had it for quite a long time with my good friend Peter Pan on his danish threads (HiFi4All.dk).
Most people either get back to a BV at some point or they skip all that is B&O.....
.....depending on their lust for experiments and/or their financial situation.
I made my point in the beginning - as you have made yours.
Will be interesting to hear, if this helps the OP.
Millemissen:And how did you control the non-B&O tv - you had to use a Lintronic for that (which I already mentioned as a workaround earlier)
You know, I looked at this Lintronc offering and it looks very very interesting to those of us without BV and not resorting to a much more expensive Crestron product. However dealing with multiple video inputs is still a complication / issue.
Honestly those 'universal' remotes look like crap (too many buttons) so having a programmable IR blaster on such a smplified b&o remote would be perfect... humm I'll enquire with them,
I wonder if a beoremote one can be used?