ARCHIVED FORUM -- March 2012 to February 2022READ ONLY FORUM
This is the second Archived Forum which was active between 1st March 2012 and 23rd February 2022
Beovision 12-65 NG, Beosystem 4, Beolab 7.2, Beolab 6000, Beolab 5, Beolab 4000, Playmaker, Beogram 5005, Beo4, Beo5, Beovision 7-32 MK3 (2x), Beovision 4.42, Beosystem 2 HD, Beolab 7.1, Beolab 7.4, Beovision 10-32, Beovision 6-26, Beosound Moment, Beosound 2300, Beosound Ouverture, Beogram TX2, Beogram 2404, Beomaster 3002, Beovox CX 75, Beovox CX 100, ibundo, Keyring.......
I have a 12-65 with BS4.....i dont know the actual stats of the panel, but its a magnificent picture.....yes i know you will have heard that before, but its worth repeating i think.....i also have a MKII screen in my new BV14-55, so have a daily side by side comparison......but even a MK1 Avant, which is arguably better than the MKII panel, is still an LCD, so its blacks won't be as good as the 12-65..........dark scenes on an LCD (and i experience this with my BV14) are handled much better by the 12-65, which i guess is my best guide.......i dont know much about the BV4-65 i'm afraid.......but i'd strongly recommend the 12-65 - with HD material, whether broadcast or BluRay, its fabulous, and looks very much up to modern picture standards......guess it depends how important 4K/HDR is for you.....
With much respect to b&o, neither set will display true black like OLED due to LCD & PDP panels. Even as a former plasma owner there's simply no comparison to OLED.
Supposedly b&o are working on a OLED based display, personally I'd wait for that or simply buy a Loewe set today.
The BV12 65 allegedly uses the same "glass" (aka panel) as my Panasonic VT series 65 inch, and when looking at the BV 12 in the store I can believe it, performance seemed the same, in other words excellent, great blacks. I would point out that there is also another performance parameter that is as important as absolute black level, and that's shadow detail, how good the panel is at showing intermediate shades of dark gray, which is primarily a function of gray scale linearity, which can often be improved with calibration. Both minimum black level and gray scale linearity are more important than number of pixels to a good image.
I've seen OLED in the stores, but they were adjusted in the typical atrocious "display" mode, so I have no idea about their real performance other than I read they should be excellent for black levels.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
Best black level: OLED. No discussion needed. But the LCD screens can get brighter which is better especially on sunny / bright days.That's due to the nature of OLED: Only the pixel that is needed will light up. If not needed it stays off and it has no backlight which can "shine" through the panel somewhere.If my LG OLED wouldn't have a screen saver or backlit logo I couldn't tell if it's on or off ;-)
Thank you for all answers :-)
Another question:
Is it worth to switch from my BV 4-65 MK3 to 12-65 with Beosystem 4?
is 4K important to you?
i would, cost considerations aside....of course you get more than a panel with the 12-65, i.e. the BS4 box which is useful in many circumstances.....anyway, not cheap for a legacy product, albeit a fabulous one........there will be some forum members who would suggest spending 5-6k can be better deployed, though thats largely for OLED and 4l/HDR reasons.....a Bild 7 is also not cheap, and won't be easy to hook up with other B&O equipment.......in the end, 4K/HDR won't be a principal use case for a few years, so i dont feel the need to update my 12-65 until then.......
I think my BV 4-65 is soon for sale..... ;-)
i had a late edition Kuro as well (for 6 years), but the 12-65 is a good deal better......
I asked a B&O guy and he told me that the 4-65 should have the better picture than a 12-65....